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Jeza posted:Just because somebody plays in NA, does not make them from or part of NA Luminosity's home region is NA now 
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think of it like NA = western hemisphere because internet in SA SUCKS
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May 27, 2016 13:55
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ArmZ posted:think of it like NA = western hemisphere because internet in SA SUCKS
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May 27, 2016 15:21
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symbolic posted:Arfjason, confirm/deny? He can't type, his hands are filled with BR dongs.
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May 27, 2016 16:52
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To me it doesn't make sense, and it always smacks somewhat of American exceptionalism, claiming them as North American because they actually succeed at what real NA teams cannot. Do they consider themselves part of NA? I doubt it. There are lots of sports where competitors have to train and compete abroad almost the entire time, but it doesn't invalidate where they come from or their own grass roots scene. If an American team moved to the EU and competed in the leagues with an all American lineup, you can bet your loving rear end they would be called an NA team. Nobody would even consider calling them an EU team.
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May 27, 2016 17:01
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Jeza posted:If an American team moved to the EU and competed in the leagues with an all American lineup, you can bet your loving rear end they would be called an NA team. Nobody would even consider calling them an EU team. remember the last time europeans tried to claim na as their own? 
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May 27, 2016 17:05
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Jeza posted:To me it doesn't make sense, and it always smacks somewhat of American exceptionalism, claiming them as North American because they actually succeed at what real NA teams cannot. Do they consider themselves part of NA? I doubt it. There are lots of sports where competitors have to train and compete abroad almost the entire time, but it doesn't invalidate where they come from or their own grass roots scene. ...You really don't understand that these are simple group names, right? We don't make them, the organizing bodies do. Get over it man.
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May 27, 2016 17:08
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I consider Europe the 51st state since they exist as they do today as a byproduct of American imperialism
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May 27, 2016 17:09
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Jeza posted:To me it doesn't make sense, and it always smacks somewhat of American exceptionalism, claiming them as North American because they actually succeed at what real NA teams cannot. Do they consider themselves part of NA? I doubt it. There are lots of sports where competitors have to train and compete abroad almost the entire time, but it doesn't invalidate where they come from or their own grass roots scene. Haha, the concept of American exceptionalism in CS when the European scene has been pretty smug about its dominance for the past few years and even wrote off LG during the beginning of their rise until they started dominating tournaments and made their skill undeniable.
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May 27, 2016 17:16
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Jeza posted:If an American team moved to the EU and competed in the leagues with an all American lineup, you can bet your loving rear end they would be called an NA team. Nobody would even consider calling them an EU team. I loving guarantee if a USA team emigrated to EU and started winning, every smug loving European shitbag would claim that they only got gud because they moved to Europe. Smug nationalism is everywhere, not just the US.
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RyokoTK posted:I loving guarantee if a USA team emigrated to EU and started winning, every smug loving European shitbag would claim that they only got gud because they moved to Europe. Smug nationalism is everywhere, not just the US. That's probably because it would be true. If some of these NA teams had the EU pool of teams to scrim and play against constantly they would surely adapt to that kind of work ethic and skill. Now if some random African team suddenly started stomping fnatic and EU claimed them, that would just sound silly.
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May 27, 2016 17:24
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sleppy posted:That's probably because it would be true. If some of these NA teams had the EU pool of teams to scrim and play against constantly they would surely adapt to that kind of work ethic and skill. Now if some random African team suddenly started stomping fnatic and EU claimed them, that would just sound silly. They have computers in africa?
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May 27, 2016 17:35
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RyokoTK posted:I loving guarantee if a USA team emigrated to EU and started winning, every smug loving European shitbag would claim that they only got gud because they moved to Europe. Smug nationalism is everywhere, not just the US. It's also not the same level as incorporating them as if their successes belonged to the scene they stomped all over. There's smug nationalism everywhere, but in my experience there's a lot more of it from the USA than most first world places. But obviously that's a tough sell when this thread is 90% NA. Sorry, love u guys!!
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Jeza posted:It's also not the same level as incorporating them as if their successes belonged to the scene they stomped all over. There's smug nationalism everywhere, but in my experience there's a lot more of it from the USA than most first world places. But obviously that's a tough sell when this thread is 90% NA. Sorry, love u guys!! European politics relating to immigrants and Gaullism both indicate you're speaking from biases as much as we are mate e: though to be fair as a brit you're a little less biased than most euros since brits are sometimes associated with us heh
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May 27, 2016 17:37
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They aint nothing but them and i aint gonna hear another word about it ya feel me dawgs
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Jeza posted:It's also not the same level as incorporating them as if their successes belonged to the scene they stomped all over. There's smug nationalism everywhere, but in my experience there's a lot more of it from the USA than most first world places. But obviously that's a tough sell when this thread is 90% NA. Sorry, love u guys!! lol you do know Europe has a resurgence of nationalism in most countries, due to instabilities relating to war refugees and the perception that the European Union isn't working? The "LG is totally NA guys" thing is mostly a self-depreciating joke, if anything.
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May 27, 2016 17:40
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Still 1.75@500.
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May 27, 2016 17:58
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symbolic posted:Still 1.75@500. 1@1400
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dex_sda posted:lol you do know Europe has a resurgence of nationalism in most countries, due to instabilities relating to war refugees and the perception that the European Union isn't working? The "LG is totally NA guys" thing is mostly a self-depreciating joke, if anything. No it's not. I honestly believe LG is as red-blooded American as they come and I turn off any stream as soon as the post-game interview starts
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May 27, 2016 18:03
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Jeza posted:There's smug nationalism everywhere, but in my experience there's a lot more of it from the USA than most first world places this would probably only be true if you lived in the USA besides it's a tough sell to claim that Americans are uniquely nationalist in the CS thread when everybody knows American teams are bad and "professional" casters will take any and every opportunity to dunk on American teams, even when none are playing nobody here is saying LG are Americans
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Jeza posted:To me it doesn't make sense, and it always smacks somewhat of American exceptionalism, claiming them as North American because they actually succeed at what real NA teams cannot. Do they consider themselves part of NA? I doubt it. There are lots of sports where competitors have to train and compete abroad almost the entire time, but it doesn't invalidate where they come from or their own grass roots scene. ?????????????????????????? actually thats not true at all.
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May 27, 2016 20:18
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I'm guessing from the quality of the posts recently queue times are long for you folks as well? Just waited 11 minutes trying to find a game at MG2.
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May 27, 2016 20:58
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Olofmeister is pugging again, fnatic is hopefully back boys
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May 27, 2016 21:43
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Make sure everyone turns all their TVs to TBS tonight at 10est to see Moe's sexy loving beard in HD
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sleppy posted:That's probably because it would be true. If some of these NA teams had the EU pool of teams to scrim and play against constantly they would surely adapt to that kind of work ethic and skill. Now if some random African team suddenly started stomping fnatic and EU claimed them, that would just sound silly. Doubt it. The NA teams have 0 work ethic and that's why they're still poo poo.
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Waltchelg posted:Doubt it. The NA teams have 0 work ethic and that's why they're still poo poo. You really don't think in your heart of hearts that EU just has a much stronger player base to begin with? That's how it has always been in CS, minus the early days.
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May 28, 2016 01:15
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??? You have teams in NA that are salaried that don't practice for 2 months. You can't make this poo poo up.
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May 28, 2016 01:25
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This owns https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxAAtHhPago
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May 28, 2016 01:57
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http://espn.go.com/esports/story/_/id/15774305/sk-gaming-luminosity-locked-contract-disputes-sk-attempted-poach-luminosity-players SK and LG are involved in some crazy contract disputes
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exethan posted:http://espn.go.com/esports/story/_/id/15774305/sk-gaming-luminosity-locked-contract-disputes-sk-attempted-poach-luminosity-players Like hell someone like FalleN would be "pressured" into signing a contract or be manipulated into believing that "LG is the devil".
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SK wasn't able to pay their league of legends players as recently as last year and they basically lost their entire roster as soon as the contracts were up. They're definitely a poo poo org and their current roster might be wanting to look for a new org in light of this info
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May 28, 2016 02:11
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lovely drunken smurfing ace 4971, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQCzKcjv7Zk There didn't seem to be much else going on so I'll post my trash
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Haha so many orgs and players have been doing shady poo poo like this to each other for forever. I'm sure SK put on all kinds of pressure to try to sign a top team, but Fallen playing dumb and acting like they had no choice and just wanted the scary guys from SK to stop bothering them is just hilarious. We're all manbabies who spend too much time playing CS:GO, but it's like... grow up a little bit dude and learn how to handle your poo poo for the sake of your livelihood. I'd love to see what some of these esports contracts actually look like, because it certainly seems from the outside like a lot of the players and orgs don't really take them seriously whenever it isn't convenient.
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May 28, 2016 02:24
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Kabum Keyd Luminosity uh contracts are hard and scary guys pls help
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May 28, 2016 02:29
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exethan posted:http://espn.go.com/esports/story/_/id/15774305/sk-gaming-luminosity-locked-contract-disputes-sk-attempted-poach-luminosity-players "Esports lawyer Bryce Blum.." LOL
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real dilemma posted:"Esports lawyer Bryce Blum.." Rosh posted:Haha so many orgs and players have been doing shady poo poo like this to each other for forever. I'm sure SK put on all kinds of pressure to try to sign a top team, but Fallen playing dumb and acting like they had no choice and just wanted the scary guys from SK to stop bothering them is just hilarious. We're all manbabies who spend too much time playing CS:GO, but it's like... grow up a little bit dude and learn how to handle your poo poo for the sake of your livelihood. I'd love to see what some of these esports contracts actually look like, because it certainly seems from the outside like a lot of the players and orgs don't really take them seriously whenever it isn't convenient.
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May 28, 2016 02:43
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there was just, as the first commercial in eleague, on TBS, live, in the year of our lord 2016, an Arby's commercial. That was counterstrike. Featuring the bomb defusal sound effect, and then the sandwich going boom, and the Arby's Guy Voice intoning SHOULD HAVE INVESTED IN A DEFUSE KIT. Is this what getting old feels like? Is this what having a stroke feels like?
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I dunno, but I think I want a Beef-n-Cheddar now.
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