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jrode memorial thread: rip in piss, melonfucker
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May 28, 2016 00:30
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paragon1 posted:Lol that loving post. It's like "Okay a lot of this is debatable and a little overly simplistic, but its not entirely unreasonable. I wonder what exactly he means by good people." and then BOOM racism. I actually thought it was reasonable until the end. I'd say Russia is a perfect example of his point: Monarchy, Communism, Industrialization, brief-democracy? Oligarchy. One can assume American communism would be distinct, which comes back to the key failing that worker solidarity was not able to overcome national and racial/ethnic prejudice, meaning the Eastern Bloc nations never truly got along, and illustrates why workers in the U.S. could never unify. The idea that Libertarianism wouldn't be destroyed by the same problems is silly.
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May 28, 2016 00:37
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Literally The Worst posted:jrode memorial thread: rip in piss, melonfucker I like it, but we should probably still work in "libertarian mock thread."
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May 28, 2016 00:40
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We had some times, we did. Guess it's back to lurking the Bitcoin thread in YOSPOS, but it's just not the same.
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May 28, 2016 01:16
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Jack of Hearts posted:Are we reminiscing before the thread is closed, or is somebody gonna volunteer* to post lewrockwell and mises articles on a regular basis? I go mises-diving every so often. I'm happy(?) to just continue doing that. Although, we could recruit outside libertarians...
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May 28, 2016 01:17
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Is there a short list of libertarian ideals that we often agree aren't total poo poo on their own that could be in the opening post? That way we can just cut to the meat of things when they occasionally sneak in?
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May 28, 2016 03:01
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Goon Danton posted:I go mises-diving every so often. I'm happy(?) to just continue doing that. I'm confident that some other libertarian will find it in their rational self interest to respond to the clear market demand of this thread.
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May 28, 2016 03:04
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Have any libertarian thinkers written on regulation, rule, and law being the result of market demand?
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May 28, 2016 03:09
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My favorite JRod moment: The fact that he chose to spend another 10 dollars to complain about how the mods banned him unfairly and basically stole his previous 10 dollars. This is how the scenario plays out in his head: Jrod: Excuse me, but I like to complain about how you stole my 10 dollar entry fee! Mod: I'm sorry, but since you were kicked out and came back in again, you'll have to pay another 10 dollar entry fee. Jrod: Well, here's your money. Now, let me tell you how mad I am that you basically stole 10 dollars from me for kicking me out without understanding the rules! He reminds me a lot of a former employee, who was so hot-headed, who was constantly failing in life, and yet there was always someone else to blame. He never took responsibility, never tried to change his behavior, and even when he was given clear direction, he refused to change. JRod couldn't understand that the whole point of these forums is to engage in conversations. Posting long screeds that are unrelated to previous conversations or don't acknowledge what other people said are often bad for generating good conversations.
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May 28, 2016 04:05
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Uroboros posted:I actually thought it was reasonable until the end. I'd say Russia is a perfect example of his point: Monarchy, Communism, Industrialization, brief-democracy? Oligarchy. One can assume American communism would be distinct, which comes back to the key failing that worker solidarity was not able to overcome national and racial/ethnic prejudice, meaning the Eastern Bloc nations never truly got along, and illustrates why workers in the U.S. could never unify. The idea that Libertarianism wouldn't be destroyed by the same problems is silly. That's if you're willing to assign a value of "bad" to all Russians, which uhhh, has some problems to say the least. For one thing, I'm pretty sure there may be some other groups, both historical and modern, that have had some effects on how Russian governments have played out. Edit:Really he's failing to realize that there are external factors that affect people's behavior entirely. It's an extension of the typical just world bullshit. Edit2: Referring to his original point and how it was phrased paragon1 fucked around with this message at 06:25 on May 28, 2016 |
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May 28, 2016 06:20
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Cemetry Gator posted:
He just never seemed to cotton on to the fact that he was doing the writing equivalent of suddenly giving a 15 minute speech in a restaurant to a room full of strangers, leaving for 5 hours, and then coming back and wondering why everyone is making fun of what he did and giving him funny looks and why it might piss off the owners of the business. He really should have gone to seminary school if he wanted to preach so fuckin' bad.
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May 28, 2016 06:32
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DarklyDreaming posted:This would not surprise me in the least. What would surprise me is if he reregged with an actually catchy Libertarian themed username like Gale_Boetticher or Hoppe-ing mad I couldn't stand him and was glad that he died.
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May 28, 2016 09:36
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paragon1 posted:He just never seemed to cotton on to the fact that he was doing the writing equivalent of suddenly giving a 15 minute speech in a restaurant to a room full of strangers, leaving for 5 hours, and then coming back and wondering why everyone is making fun of what he did and giving him funny looks and why it might piss off the owners of the business. You're being kind saying it was a 15 minute speech. I also loved how he could never really integrate himself into a conversation. He always had to start with some grand pronouncement, like he was announcing his intentions to get married to someone. It's made worse by his habit of burying the loving point down below some bullshit about progressives and how they don't understand how the system works and whatever the gently caress he was going on about and here's a link to Mises.org. Here's some good writing or speaking feedback to people: lead with the most important part. Whether it's the why, or your main argument or whatever the gently caress it is. Don't bury it. Don't put it at the end of a long screed. Part of what made Jrod's post so tough to read, aside from the generally lovely and pretentious writing, was that for half of it, you had no idea what he was trying to say. He would bury the point.
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May 28, 2016 14:03
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Another cool jrod mental tic: he way, waaayy overestimated the importance of Austrian school economics and libertarianism to a simultaneously sad and funny degree, such that he couldn't distinguish an attack on mainstream economics or capitalism overall from an attack on his pet ideas. A while back I posted something from Debt: The First 5000 Years about how the conventional economics story of the development of currency is wrong, and he's like "So are you saying this disputes the Austrian concept of money??" Uh, only in as much as the Austrian school inherited its concept of money from mainstream economics, but sure.
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May 28, 2016 14:47
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theshim posted:The Shiranaihito meltdown only lasts a couple pages but it's still pretty gorgeous. lmao this post: shiranaihito posted:See this for a great illustration of what's wrong here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE In it the guy says that him writing "I get to rob you" makes more sense than the United States Constitution because his piece of paper states who gave him the moral authority - he did himself, or his friends did. He then claims that the USC does not do so, it just says it gets to rob you with no explanation why. Hmmmmmm THE VERY FIRST loving PARAGRAPH posted:We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America. Geniuses every one of them. Eletriarnation posted:I thought it was particularly funny given that, if my two years of Japanese classes are serving me right, "shiranai hito" basically means "person who doesn't care". I'm not sure how he intended it to be interpreted but it seemed to match his extreme arrogance pretty well. Kinda, yeah 知らない can mean "I don't care" but in adjectival form means "unknown" or "strange" - more in terms of stranger, not odd. It's a classic case of someone calling themselves "Nero" or "Zero" to seem darky and edgy. This time in anime gabble.
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May 28, 2016 15:34
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Uroboros posted:Is there a short list of libertarian ideals that we often agree aren't total poo poo on their own that could be in the opening post? That way we can just cut to the meat of things when they occasionally sneak in? Pot legalization and gay marriage are kinda taking the wind out of the libertarian sail there aren't they Why vote libertarian when you can move to Colorado
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May 28, 2016 16:00
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Pot legalization and gay marriage are kinda taking the wind out of the libertarian sail there aren't they It's hard for me to keep the fedora on my head sometimes thinking of how much taxpayer money is going to go to these programs.
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May 28, 2016 16:02
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Yeah, the key to finding reasonable libertarian positions is to find actual problems that either impact middle class white guys or add to the deficit. So ending the war on drugs, not fighting expensive wars, and the like.
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May 28, 2016 16:06
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Do you think the only reason libertarians hate wars is because they lost the American Civil one.
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May 28, 2016 16:16
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I mean, that might be part of it. It also goes back to "wars cost money, money comes from taxes, therefore wars make my taxes go up" and a dash of "I do not want to personally fight in Vietnam/Iraq/whatever."
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May 28, 2016 16:30
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Not all of them are, though. There's more than a few anti-"Islamist" hawk libertarians.
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May 28, 2016 16:42
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GunnerJ posted:Not all of them are, though. There's more than a few anti-"Islamist" hawk libertarians. Case in point: every Libertarian and Libertarian-Republican who is/was in the military.
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May 28, 2016 16:49
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Honestly I'd prefer it if my taxes didn't go towards building bombs and supporting the gargantuan military we have today. But at some point it gets silly. Bomb makers use public roads to get to work and deliver their bombs, but I'm not about to say cut road funding.
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May 28, 2016 16:50
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Triglav posted:but I'm not about to say cut road funding. Don't worry the GOP already did that lmao.
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May 28, 2016 16:53
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Tesseraction posted:Don't worry the GOP already did that lmao. Yeah, but now private individuals can buy more municipal bonds, receiving tax-free interest for their investment, paid from the taxes of others.
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May 28, 2016 17:59
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Uroboros posted:Is there a short list of libertarian ideals that we often agree aren't total poo poo on their own that could be in the opening post? That way we can just cut to the meat of things when they occasionally sneak in? Hieronymous Alloy posted:Pot legalization and gay marriage are kinda taking the wind out of the libertarian sail there aren't they There are some non-racist libertarians that care a lot about criminal justice reform, police militarization, etc. like Randy Balko. Also most every libertarian opposes eminent domain abuse and civil asset forfeiture.
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May 28, 2016 19:03
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My problem with libertarianism isn't from a critical eye on the state, which many other movements have. I hate it for the philosophical position that all forms of collective action (especially those that require some people to act in ways that aren't purely selfish) are evil. A focus on nebulous market forces and anti-statism masks a real goals: legitimizing all forms of destructive or anti-social behavior (from racism to pollution) under the shield of individualism, and legitimating a theory of justice that ignores historical reality in favor of a false "equality of opportunity". There are many ways to criticize the state, but that doesn't make libertarian philosophy any less repugnant, any more than a fundamentalist christian being against murder makes every other piece of garbage that comes out of their movement ok.
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May 28, 2016 19:43
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Was there any overlap between Libertarians and the Reform Party in it's heyday? From what I've read it seemed like an ideologically malleable party, but some of Ross Perot's stances seem libertarian-ish.
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May 28, 2016 20:52
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while we're going over best of thread hits i liked when lolitasama returned and told us why he converted away from lolbertarianism (read: not so subtle white supremacy)
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May 28, 2016 22:25
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May 28, 2016 22:35
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I'm off in the boonies unable to watch it live. Anyone else want to live comment the libertarian debate off of c-span for me? At least tell me if McAfee eats anyone's face while high on bath salts like I expect.
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May 28, 2016 23:40
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Caros posted:I'm off in the boonies unable to watch it live. Anyone else want to live comment the libertarian debate off of c-span for me? He hugged and kissed all the other candidates as they came on stage. I'm gonna play Samurai Warriors instead of live blogging it though.
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May 29, 2016 01:33
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I care more about mustache twirling villainous portrayals of Oda Nobunaga than I do about Libertarian politics, and so should you!
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May 29, 2016 01:35
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paragon1 posted:I care more about mustache twirling villainous portrayals of Oda Nobunaga than I do about Libertarian politics, and so should you! Oda was the libertarian of his day. And also Satan-Hitler and a warlock?
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May 29, 2016 01:38
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Who What Now posted:Oda was the libertarian of his day. And also Satan-Hitler and a warlock? He did love guns... Edit: But he also made a black guy a samurai. I don't see libertarians doing that.
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May 29, 2016 02:07
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Triglav posted:Have any libertarian thinkers written on regulation, rule, and law being the result of market demand? By market demand do you mean democratic demand, such as voting in elections? Hayek wrote about how he saw what laws should exist in Road to Serfdom. Basic income through negative taxes and environmental protections resolve lots of concerns about libertarianism IMHO.
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May 29, 2016 04:17
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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DeusExMachinima posted:By market demand do you mean democratic demand, such as voting in elections? Hayek wrote about how he saw what laws should exist in Road to Serfdom. Basic income through negative taxes and environmental protections resolve lots of concerns about libertarianism IMHO. Yeah, something along the lines of free association and social capital. It seems in those Hayek writings that the largest concern is someone damaging another's private or common property through negligence, but I guess that covers some bases. Like, you can live in filth in your own home, but I don't want to smell you from mine. I was more curious about any libertarian rationalizations of how we got from lawlessness to today, without the copout of threat of violence; why individuals might choose to willfully restrict their individual freedoms, by vote or boycott, for the benefit of everyone.
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May 29, 2016 05:59
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https://twitter.com/NicholsUprising/status/736766849384210433 is there anything about this tweet which is surprising (aside from gary "feel my" johnson not being against the civil rights act i guess)
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May 29, 2016 06:23
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DeusExMachinima posted:By market demand do you mean democratic demand, such as voting in elections? Hayek wrote about how he saw what laws should exist in Road to Serfdom. Basic income through negative taxes and environmental protections resolve lots of concerns about libertarianism IMHO. This is why Ayn Rand called Hayek 'a dangerous compromiser'.
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Triglav posted:Have any libertarian thinkers written on regulation, rule, and law being the result of market demand? Nozick's Anarchy, State, and Utopia is essentially an attempt to show how a minimal state could arise out of the state of nature via market forces.
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