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Toxxupation posted:So, X-Men Apocalypse had an incredibly bad opening Friday, with 26 million in ticket sales (this counts an 8.2 million Thursday night, so it didn't even break 20 million on Friday in actuality). For comparison, DOFP had a 35 million Friday leading in to a 110 million dollar four-day weekend. Apocalypse might not even break 80 million in its opening weekend at this rate, which'll be disastrous for its domestic totals. That'll still be enough to put it at #1 after the weekend, and it's nowhere near as catastrophic as Fantastic Four was, so it'll probably be considered a win.
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Aphrodite posted:Jubilee isn't cut from Apocalypse, by the way. She appears in several scenes and has a few lines. Apparently, there was a scene that got cut where she actually used her powers, though.
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May 28, 2016 23:34
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I don't think they ever say her name either so if you didn't know who the character was you'd think she was just some random student.
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May 28, 2016 23:36
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Is cyclops decent, at least?
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May 28, 2016 23:38
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His optic blasts cause burning, so gently caress that. (He's pretty good.)
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May 28, 2016 23:42
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While I thought Oscar Isaac did a fine job, for me the movie was at it's best when it was just focused on the X-Men doing stuff around school and hanging out.
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May 28, 2016 23:52
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I wish they'd just give each movie a different focus character. Some of my favorite X-men arcs are focused on a single character, like how the whole break world story is mostly about kitty pryde's character arc. X men first class was a good Xavier-lenscherr story, now mix it up! I'm tired of wolverine.
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May 29, 2016 00:06
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muscles like this? posted:I don't think they ever say her name either so if you didn't know who the character was you'd think she was just some random student. So just like her previous appearances in the X-Men movies.
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May 29, 2016 00:40
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Jamesman posted:That'll still be enough to put it at #1 after the weekend, and it's nowhere near as catastrophic as Fantastic Four was, so it'll probably be considered a win. Well, yes, obviously (unless it suffers from a total collapse today, tomorrow and Monday and Alice 2 grossly overperforms). But we're looking at a film that might not recoup its budget off domestic, which is a failure by any metric. Not anywhere as horrible as the FF reboot, mind, but worrisome enough to give FOX execs serious pause when considering their upcoming movie slate, especially if Apocalypse underperforms in China. Let's just say FOX is extremely, excruciatingly lucky that Deadpool overperformed as much as it did because it looks like it might end up being the main superhero franchise moving forward.
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May 29, 2016 00:53
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None of the X-Men movies have made their budget in North America. Edit: But Apocalypse is going to miss by more, probably. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 01:03 on May 29, 2016 |
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May 29, 2016 00:59
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Aphrodite posted:None of the X-Men movies have made their budget in North America. Every movie besides First Class has made their budget back off domestic ticket sales, including both Wolverine spinoffs. Most notably, DOFP made 233 million off a 200 million dollar budget, the movie Apocalypse will end up most directly compared to.
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May 29, 2016 01:23
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The listed budget is never realistic, and they're all so close to their listed ones that they wouldn't have made them back domestically.
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May 29, 2016 01:31
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Toxxupation posted:Every movie besides First Class has made their budget back off domestic ticket sales, including both Wolverine spinoffs. Most notably, DOFP made 233 million off a 200 million dollar budget, the movie Apocalypse will end up most directly compared to. 233M Domestic with a 200M production budget most definitely did not make it's money back. It's not 1-1 ratio because movie theaters keep a great deal of that. Plus marketing costs. So no it was not in the black just off domestic. Not a lot of big budget movies are these days. That's why international means so much.
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May 29, 2016 04:11
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My problem with X-Men: Apocalypse was that they made a really good Magneto movie, and then decided to cram Apocalypse into it. And I feel like the version of the movie without Apocalypse could have been a lot more interesting.
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May 29, 2016 05:28
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I've felt that way about all 3. I just want to see Magneto.
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May 29, 2016 05:41
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I liked X-Men Apocalypse, though I can see why others wouldn't. For me, there were a few good scenes that made me forget about the slog and mess that got to them. Plus they actually did well by Cyclops this film, and I can forgive a lot to get a good live-action Cyclops.
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May 29, 2016 05:45
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There were some parts of the fights that just felt off to me, namely Beast vs Psylocke. Specifically it felt a bit too artificial compared to everything else, a strong contrast against the Nightcrawler vs Archangel Rematch
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May 29, 2016 06:18
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Okay I really liked X-Men: Apocalypse. We're now three for three on X-Men films that looked real lovely but ended up being pretty good. I mean...okay...I can appreciate that it's kind of a mess of a movie that doesn't respect its audience nearly enough and handholds us through its mess of scenes and dialogue and...heh..."plot." But I think overall things got stronger and stronger the longer the film went and was no longer bogged down alternately ponderous and schizophrenic scenes about nothing worth saying. The whole "Mystique leads the X-Men" thing came across much better and much more intelligently than I was expecting, building naturally off of the previous films' storylines. That was really the thing I worried about most going in and I was glad they managed to make it work. I think this film has more heart than intelligence, but it does still manage to give us an enjoyable, memorable result. And let me just say that there are scenes in this film that I have waited literal decades in order to see depicted onscreen and what this film did with it exceeded even what I had envisioned in my head. UNLEASH YOUR POWAAH JEEEEAAN Oh yeah and I loved that dumb metal X thing that Magneto made when he switched sides. It was so dumb and melodramatic but I loved it a whole lot. Also Quicksilver. Fuuuck. Look, I'm the first to say that the DOFP Quicksilver scene was a little overblown and overrated but this one is legitimately well worth the hype. All in all I'm kinda looking forward to seeing this again. BrianWilly fucked around with this message at 10:09 on May 29, 2016 |
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May 29, 2016 10:01
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MrAristocrates posted:Ugh, I haven't seen Civil War in like three weeks and I can still tell most of this is wholly disingenuous. lol no, the camerawork in CW was atrocious for like half the movie. It's like during half of it it's shot like a documentary, then the other half someone remembered that shaky cam is the worst, then it became bearable.
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May 29, 2016 12:02
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I'll grant you part of the fight at the beginning is shaky but it improved like, immediately. Plus, the other half of that video is that it's all shot in closeup and I don't remember that at all. Also "lol no" isn't gonna work, you need examples.
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May 29, 2016 13:06
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The stairway foght scene which was one of the best of the movie was exactly like that. Real close up shots, frantic editing. Its like your mind can tell you where everyone is posistion wise but it would probably look a lot more impressive if you could actually see everyone
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May 29, 2016 13:14
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MrAristocrates posted:I'll grant you part of the fight at the beginning is shaky but it improved like, immediately. Plus, the other half of that video is that it's all shot in closeup and I don't remember that at all. Fair enough. The stairway fight, the fight in the beginning of the movie with Crossbones, pretty much any fight that occurs up until the airport scene. I remember being very frustrated with the way they filmed those scenes because I wanted to see what was actually going on, not guess and infer. Then you get a clear view of the fights and the action. Same with the final fight of the film with IM, Cap and Buck. Which strikes me as very odd, why have the stupid frantic action in the first half of the movie and then have crystal clear action in the last two fights?
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May 29, 2016 14:05
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How was Storm in X-Men Apocalypse? Having her included actually made me less enthusiastic about the movie, being as that she was the shittiest part of the original trilogy.
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May 29, 2016 16:57
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She's barely in it, but she's good in what she's in
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May 29, 2016 17:29
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She has a fairly long scene that's pretty good when she first meets Apocalypse, but she barely speaks for the rest of the film once she becomes a Horseman. Pretty much all of the Horsemen stop speaking once they've been recruited, apart from Magneto.
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May 29, 2016 17:51
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McCloud posted:Fair enough. The stairway fight, the fight in the beginning of the movie with Crossbones, pretty much any fight that occurs up until the airport scene. I remember being very frustrated with the way they filmed those scenes because I wanted to see what was actually going on, not guess and infer. Then you get a clear view of the fights and the action. Same with the final fight of the film with IM, Cap and Buck. Which strikes me as very odd, why have the stupid frantic action in the first half of the movie and then have crystal clear action in the last two fights? I can't find the quote, but I remember them saying they intentionally filmed the first few action sequences that way, and then pulled back the shots at the airport sequence to show that the battles had become larger and on a bigger scale.
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Retro Futurist posted:She's barely in it, but she's good in what she's in Good. Like, I get that a lot of what annoyed me about Storm isn't the character, per se, as it was the "Halle Berry is a big thing right now, so let's make her role bigger and bigger even if it doesn't work and she's actually pretty terrible", but it's still left me kind of wary about anything Storm-related.
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May 29, 2016 18:22
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Storm was barely in the original trilogy? How small did you want it to be.
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May 29, 2016 18:38
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Good. Like, I get that a lot of what annoyed me about Storm isn't the character, per se, as it was the "Halle Berry is a big thing right now, so let's make her role bigger and bigger even if it doesn't work and she's actually pretty terrible", but it's still left me kind of wary about anything Storm-related. CharlestheHammer posted:Storm was barely in the original trilogy? How small did you want it to be. Hi, I'm reading comprehension. We haven't met.
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I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Are you being sarcastic here. Storm was not centerstage at all CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 18:54 on May 29, 2016 |
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Codependent Poster posted:I can't find the quote, but I remember them saying they intentionally filmed the first few action sequences that way, and then pulled back the shots at the airport sequence to show that the battles had become larger and on a bigger scale. And yet the final fight is shot the same way, and that one was the most personal one in the film.
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May 29, 2016 19:07
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CharlestheHammer posted:Storm was not centerstage at all Storm is easily the worst character in X1... mostly due to that atrocious line but Berry's delivery didn't help. She was central to the ensemble, but didn't add too much. In X2 she has a crucial relationship with Nightcrawler (she gives him the faith /confidence to take a blind leap teleport into Cerebro). In interviews following X2, Berry said she would need storm to have "a significant presence comparable to the comic book version" so she becomes the leader after Cyke gets phoenixed and has some heart to heart with Wolverine about Jean's fate. Storm should have had Cyc's role. Increasingly irrelevant or basically a cameo character. FilthyImp fucked around with this message at 19:23 on May 29, 2016 |
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May 29, 2016 19:08
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That is what she was tho. Like am I remembering them differently?
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May 29, 2016 19:11
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CharlestheHammer posted:I honestly don't know what you are talking about. Are you being sarcastic here. Storm SHOULD have been a much bigger deal than she was, as she is the Best X-Man, but they should have gotten a better actress in the process. X3 is the only one where it feels like she's getting up in the camera more often, and that's because after Cyclops dies Storm is the obvious new leader of the team.
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Travis343 posted:Storm SHOULD have been a much bigger deal than she was, as she is the Best X-Man, but they should have gotten a better actress in the process. But it was early in the Comic Book Film era, and the studio probably felt that they needed the complete ensemble as it was to maintain the fanlove.
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May 29, 2016 19:23
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Travis343 posted:Storm SHOULD have been a much bigger deal than she was, as she is the Best X-Man, but they should have gotten a better actress in the process. You're forgetting about her being critical to defeating Jason in X2 for some dumb reason. It's weirdly engineered to give her a reason to be important. It's bad.
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May 29, 2016 19:26
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That isn't making her centerstage, it's giving her something to do, which the original trilogy struggled with.
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May 29, 2016 19:29
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CharlestheHammer posted:That isn't making her centerstage, it's giving her something to do, which the original trilogy struggled with. Just have her be Ant-man in Civil War. She's there for fight scenes, that's good enough. She needed to be Critical To The Plot, which is dumb.
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May 29, 2016 19:44
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I mean she took out Toad in the first movie, is that "important to the plot" too or just being there for the fights? It was important to the plot that somebody take Toad out, after all.
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Travis343 posted:I mean she took out Toad in the first movie, is that "important to the plot" too or just being there for the fights? It was important to the plot that somebody take Toad out, after all. No, that's stupid. She was used reasonably in the first movie, because it was ensemble VS ensemble. But having her take out the telepath by making it very cold was dumb and it's really clearly shoehorned and it's because she's Halle Berry.
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