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I just finished watching the series last week. No, it isn't terrible, not that does not make it very good either. It's pros and cons are both very apparent and it is a middling show at best. Considering how the 90s Gundam OVAs were completely screwed with behind the scenes meddling and director changes, it's about as good as we could get.
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Monsha and everyone else joined the titans in the end, hopefully everyone got wiped out during zeta.
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May 29, 2016 08:28
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Ka0 posted:Monsha and everyone else joined the titans in the end, hopefully everyone got wiped out during zeta. The craziest thing about Monsha is that, for being such a colossal douchebag, he's not wrong about Kou.
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May 29, 2016 08:33
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chiasaur11 posted:Gorgeous battles, interesting supporting players, awful leads, and an incomprehensible plot twist at the end. Oh, and both of the best characters die pointlessly. I'm like Kai: I hate Zeon.
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May 29, 2016 08:47
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MonsieurChoc posted:I'm like Kai:  this is the best screenshot i ever ripped from 0079
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May 29, 2016 08:51
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Kai is great I hope he never dies when I am watching any of these shows. I would be devastated.
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May 29, 2016 08:54
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PBS Newshour posted:Kai is great I hope he never dies when I am watching any of these shows. I would be devastated. I have this odd thing where i'd like him to be a (probably still somewhat reluctant) MS-piloting protagonist, whilst knowing that would be a backwards step as a character. He's a pretty badass journalist though. That's a pretty good setup for a side-story manga actually, has anything like that been done. I quite enjoyed the Ghiren Assassination Plot and Johnny Ridden's MSV series (which I think might have got canned? Stopped seeing updates) even if there is a recurring thing where Zeon suits are painted in Gundam colours. Gouf White Rose Custom does look awesome actually.
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May 29, 2016 10:50
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Kai is officially the second best MS pilot on White Base, in the Origin. It's also not just by default, he's genuinely good. 
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May 29, 2016 10:54
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Lemon-Lime posted:Kai is officially the second best MS pilot on White Base, in the Origin. It's also not just by default, he's genuinely good. I thought Sayla caught up with him later. But yeah. It's great to see Kai going from "Tactical manuever: COWER ON THE FLOOR FIRING BLINDLY" to "Do I have to do everything around here?"
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May 29, 2016 11:16
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Lemon-Lime posted:Kai is officially the second best MS pilot on White Base, in the Origin. It's also not just by default, he's genuinely good. He's pretty good in the TV series, too, particularly after Dublin.
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May 29, 2016 11:16
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chiasaur11 posted:I thought Sayla caught up with him later. Sayla didn't get a MS and still out killed him. She flew that glorified jet fighter.
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oohhboy posted:Sayla didn't get a MS and still out killed him. She flew that glorified jet fighter. she gets an ms in origin
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chiasaur11 posted:I thought Sayla caught up with him later. She does, and gets a custom CQB GM as a result. Kai fights the entire war, including Solomon and A Baoa Qu, in a Guncannon. Granted, in Origin, the Guncannon gets overhauled when the GM gets deployed and it's more like a GM cannon than what it was at the start of the war, but it's still impressive. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 11:53 on May 29, 2016 |
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May 29, 2016 11:49
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Kai's effectiveness comes from the fact that he fights like the rear end in a top hat he is. He's pretty good at the whole shooting thing, but a lot of the Guncannon's more memorable antics comes from Kai just taking what opportunities he notices. The Guncannon absolutely should not be kicking suits or shoving them off cliffs but Kai does it because he knows how to get away with it.
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May 29, 2016 14:59
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0079 made me like Kai a good bit already, but I wasn't really a fan until he showed up in Zeta. White suit in the Amazon? Why not?
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Xinder posted:
I'd just watch the show. The movie makes the plot even worse and cuts a lot of the gorgeous visuals.
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BizarroAzrael posted:I have this odd thing where i'd like him to be a (probably still somewhat reluctant) MS-piloting protagonist, whilst knowing that would be a backwards step as a character. He's a pretty badass journalist though. If I recall correctly there's a G Generation game which has a route where Amuro dies at the beginning so Kai steps up and becomes a super newtype hero pilotting the Nu Gundam.
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ActionZero posted:If I recall correctly there's a G Generation game which has a route where Amuro dies at the beginning so Kai steps up and becomes a super newtype hero pilotting the Nu Gundam. I think I remember reading that it was a book (or maybe it's been both) and possibly it was the RX-78-3.
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chiasaur11 posted:(The fact anyone likes a hypocritical poo poo like Gato never ceases to astound me.) Gato is one of the most one-note and flat characters in the history of the franchise, which is both impressive and loops around to becoming somewhat entertaining. "Gato, what do you want for breakfast?" "SIEG ZEON!" "What do you want to watch tonight?" "SIEG ZEON!"
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BizarroAzrael posted:I think I remember reading that it was a book (or maybe it's been both) and possibly it was the RX-78-3. One of the G Generations requires Amuro to die like he did in the novel to get to a route where you play as some of the villain characters by way of Cima taking the Delaz Fleet and rounding up a cool crew with no weenies allowed. Edit: At least that's what I remember. Don't know too much about it other than broad stokes, The GIG fucked around with this message at 22:12 on May 29, 2016 |
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May 29, 2016 22:09
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Kanos posted:Gato is one of the most one-note and flat characters in the history of the franchise, which is both impressive and loops around to becoming somewhat entertaining. The big problem is that there appears to be more going on with Gato, but he just gets no screentime to justify it and he comes off flat. If they had taken those stupid episodes with Kelly and his Mobile armor out and focused them on Gato and his experiences at Solomon and A Baoa Qu, there might have been more to him. Because the idea of the Solomon Sea is pretty fascinating. A ship graveyard leftover from the solar array blast, killing on a scale not seen since the beginning of the war, and the psychological impact that could have on a person. Instead, Gato is just extremely loyal to Delaz, and the solomon sea has nothing for him except causing him to wax poetic bullshit the whole time.
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The GIG posted:One of the G Generations requires Amuro to die like he did in the novel to get to a route where you play as some of the villain characters by way of Cima taking the Delaz Fleet and rounding up a cool crew with no weenies allowed. It's G Generation DS Basically you have to complete the requirements for Amuro to launch in the Alex instead of the Gundam and then the battle either goes him winning (canonical routes) or him dying which results in a whole bunch of plot twists. It leads to what is called the Rival Route where rather than the usual protagonist ships you end up with the Dominion and Natarle and mostly villains who are struggling to deal with a hosed-up world. You also don't get the original protagonist IIRC, you get by with like Johnny Ridden and the EA Boys. Late in the story though you're joined by Kira, Athrun and SUPER NEWTYPE KAI SHIDEN in the Nu Gundam. Kai can join in other routes but he isn't a super newtype who gets access to the full power of the Nu Gundam. G Gen DS was pretty great and I wish I hadn't lost my copy. Cross Drive is a lot less interesting.
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I prefer to believe Kai uses his newtype powers and the Nu Gundam's funnels to precisely shoot dozens of pilots in the balls at the same time. Really , super newtype powers opens a lot of doors for next level dickishness.
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The GIG posted:I prefer to believe Kai uses his newtype powers and the Nu Gundam's funnels to precisely shoot dozens of pilots in the balls at the same time. Really , super newtype powers opens a lot of doors for next level dickishness.
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AradoBalanga posted:On the flipside, would you really give Super Newtype Kai Shiden the keys to Angel Halo? Guy has a soft spot for women and kids. He'd probably just do the right thing and let everyone out before dropping that nightmarish creation through Earth's atmosphere (ideally onto a major Zanscare base).
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AradoBalanga posted:On the flipside, would you really give Super Newtype Kai Shiden the keys to Angel Halo? Absolutely yes with no hesitation.
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The mere presence of Kai would have made Victory Gundam a lot more bearable to watch. Bonus points if he's the same age as he was in Zeta without explanation.
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Raxivace posted:The mere presence of Kai would have made Victory Gundam a lot more bearable to watch. Nanomachines VolticSurge fucked around with this message at 23:43 on May 29, 2016 |
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May 29, 2016 23:35
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I'd like to think he'd just refuse to age in order to spite everyone else.
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The GIG posted:I prefer to believe Kai uses his newtype powers and the Nu Gundam's funnels to precisely shoot dozens of pilots in the balls at the same time. Really , super newtype powers opens a lot of doors for next level dickishness. Super Newtype Kai would be the best because, with someone like Amuro, if you're a villain you can process it as "Ah, yes. My Worthy Rival.Truly, I'm glad you arrived. Only you can really appreciate my genius." Kai? "Oh, gently caress's sake. It's this rear end in a top hat again."
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chiasaur11 posted:Super Newtype Kai would be the best because, with someone like Amuro, if you're a villain you can process it as "Ah, yes. My Worthy Rival.Truly, I'm glad you arrived. Only you can really appreciate my genius." I like that in the novels Kai went and rejoined the Federation while everyone else defected to Zeon entirely out of spite. He rejoined the losing side specifically to get his chance to gently caress Char's poo poo up.
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Or he could just be one in a long succession of clones/gholas.
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ImpAtom posted:I like that in the novels Kai went and rejoined the Federation while everyone else defected to Zeon entirely out of spite. He rejoined the losing side specifically to get his chance to gently caress Char's poo poo up. What, everyone on White Base? I'm thinking I should watch the MSG movies again. Or should I actually watch the original TV incarnation?
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BizarroAzrael posted:What, everyone on White Base? In the novels, the White Base defects from the Federation to Zeon after assisting Char in assassinating the remaining Zabis. Zeon wins the war and goes on to oppress the people living on Earth (they start calling them 'moles' instead of 'spacenoids') The sole exceptions are Kai, who is the strongest remaining Newtype and who recognizes Char for the complete shitfest he is, and Sayla who peaces out to get away from the war entirely. (Amuro and Hayato are both killed in action.) This isn't how it goes in the show. And honestly, the movies are fine. The TV incarnation has some good moments but the movies capture most of them.
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Char's Counterattack but instead of the twofold plan of getting everyone to leave Earth and having one last fight with Amuro, Char's dropping Axis entirely in the hopes he'll finally loving kill Kai. Kai proceeds to shoot off the Sazabi's limbs and slap Char around with it's own arms.
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The GIG posted:Char's Counterattack but instead of the twofold plan of getting everyone to leave Earth and having one last fight with Amuro, Char's dropping Axis entirely in the hopes he'll finally loving kill Kai.
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0083 is worth watching for the mechanical design alone. You've got cool variants of grunt suits (powered gm, bitter zaku), awesome mobile armors (Val varo, neue ziel) and other neat poo poo like the gerbera...and that's not even mentioning the gundams. kou is a huge wiener though. I always thought gato came across as the true protagonist of stardust memory, mass murderin and all. He even gets the girl! (sorta) On a somewhat related note does anyone have a gif of the scene where the zeon pilots are all sentimentally smiling at the attack signal flare? I always really liked that bit.
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AradoBalanga posted:I would gladly pay serious money to see Kai trolling the gently caress out of Char. We are not worthy.
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Anthrovore posted:0083 is worth watching for the mechanical design alone. You've got cool variants of grunt suits (powered gm, bitter zaku), awesome mobile armors (Val varo, neue ziel) and other neat poo poo like the gerbera...and that's not even mentioning the gundams. The true protagonist is Cima, and we both know it.
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ImpAtom posted:In the novels, the White Base defects from the Federation to Zeon after assisting Char in assassinating the remaining Zabis. Zeon wins the war and goes on to oppress the people living on Earth (they start calling them 'moles' instead of 'spacenoids') The sole exceptions are Kai, who is the strongest remaining Newtype and who recognizes Char for the complete shitfest he is, and Sayla who peaces out to get away from the war entirely. (Amuro and Hayato are both killed in action.) What happens to Bright? 
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