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Nerd Of Prey posted:I can't believe what a hosed up perspective on modding so many people have here. I've with you until the whole "can't play with my stuff" thing. It's a really immature attitude. "Don't talk to me" that's making your life more peaceful by not dealing with idiots. "I'm taking my toys" is grade school level thinking designed to punish someone for not getting along with you. Darth Brooks fucked around with this message at 19:17 on May 29, 2016 |
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I fully agree that it would be better to block commenting only, and that in most cases it would be really petty to stop somebody from downloading a mod over some bullshit. For the record I only pressed that button on a guy one time, and the guy actually apologized later for being rude to me, and I unblocked him, and all was well. Usually when people give me poo poo I either delete the comment and go on with my day, or I give them poo poo right back. I almost got banned once for responding to a comment with an ascii middle finger. No regrets!
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May 29, 2016 20:07
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It's not taking your toys as much as saying you aren't going to make someone's game better by sharing something you spent hundreds of hours making. Like I've pretty much never given a poo poo about the modders I download from but when I stop to think about it it's crazy how much time people have poured into this stuff that most people take for granted.
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May 29, 2016 20:12
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Thank goodness holologix21 selflessly poured those hundreds of hours into his realistic horse rape mod for Skyrim. It's incredible how much time and effort he put into that masterpiece to make our games better and I for one will not stand him being slandered for his hard work when all you have to do is not download it if you don't like it
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May 29, 2016 20:50
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May 29, 2016 20:51
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Nerd Of Prey posted:I almost got banned once for responding to a comment with an ascii middle finger. No regrets! Bad rear end.
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May 29, 2016 21:06
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BTW I'm also not saying you can't make fun of lovely mods. I make fun of lovely mods constantly! But I am saying that if I go to a lovely modder's page and make fun of it right to his face, I don't expect that I'll still get unfettered free access to the fruits of his lovely labor after that.
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May 29, 2016 21:06
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Squeegy posted:Thank goodness holologix21 selflessly poured those hundreds of hours into his realistic horse rape mod for Skyrim. It's incredible how much time and effort he put into that masterpiece to make our games better and I for one will not stand him being slandered for his hard work when all you have to do is not download it if you don't like it Are you using this mod and/or upset about not being able to download it?
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May 29, 2016 21:28
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Tender Bender posted:Are you using this mod and/or upset about not being able to download it? Squeegy has a whole lotta feelings about horses and rape.
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May 29, 2016 21:30
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Mr.Grit posted:The arrow keys on your keyboard? Tender Bender posted:When you've highlighted a slider you can move them one tick at a time using arrow/movement keys. Also the mod RaceMenu, in addition to some other cool stuff, gives numerical values to each tick on the slider, not sure how that interacts with your hair mod though. Well that shows just how much I know about this game then  Thanks!
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Nerd Of Prey posted:But I am saying that if I go to a lovely modder's page and make fun of it right to his face, I don't expect that I'll still get unfettered free access to the fruits of his lovely labor after that. Why? That's the kind of power mod authors shouldn't have. Block people sure, but ban their access to your mod? One, it doesn't do dick /r/modpiracy exists, and two, blocking them would do exactly the same thing. All blocking access to the page does is lord your "modder status" over them in the most pedantic way possible. All mod authors should be able to do is block people from direct messaging them. Negative criticism exists, get over it. I could see in a terrible case, a mod author removing any comments saying "This broke my game" or "This is really buggy" or "This mod isn't translated correctly". Guess what buster, mod authors can do that and it's poo poo. e: Just Walk Away From The Screen Like Close Your Eyes Haha
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May 30, 2016 00:05
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Mortimer posted:Why? You know that you can just make another free Nexus account and download "banned" mods all you want, right? This is a good feature, as it allows mod authors to focus their petty rages on only single people, and in an impotent way. The alternative is mod authors melting down and removing their mods, so that no one can use them.
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Rutibex posted:This is a good feature, as it allows mod authors to focus their petty rages on only single people, and in an impotent way. The alternative is mod authors melting down and removing their mods, so that no one can use them. And nothing of value was lost.
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Mortimer posted:Why? I could just as easily ask WHY you think you should get any favors from somebody who you have personally offended, or why exactly they should care what you want. Also why would you even want to be a dick to somebody if you plan to download their mods? That doesn't add up at all. Like I was saying before, sharing mods is voluntary to begin with. Modders aren't required to share their work at all, and they certainly aren't required to share it with you in particular. For some reason, the idea that you've all been downloading this poo poo with their permission all along has never crossed your minds. If somebody revokes that permission, that's an abuse... but downloading poo poo when the person who made it doesn't want to share it with you, because you're not their loving friend, that's just peachy, that's business as usual. They should shut up and fork over their poo poo, right? Once it's on the internet it's YOUR property, and the person who made it had better stay out of YOUR way. You all have got a seriously hosed up perspective.
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May 30, 2016 05:18
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Nerd Of Prey posted:You all have got a seriously hosed up perspective. yes, if only we could see the nobility of trying to stuff toothpaste back into the tube
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Nerd Of Prey posted:They should shut up and fork over their poo poo, right? Once it's on the internet it's YOUR property, and the person who made it had better stay out of YOUR way. This but unironically. Maybe you would have better luck whining in the Nexus' private modders only forum?
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Wow. Well, in modding news, Skyrim Reloaded (from the guy who released Oblivion Reloaded, an overhaul of OBGE) has been released. Oblivion Reloaded was successful in making Oblivion look gorgeous but also dropping my frame rate to less than I get with Skyrim, so I'm looking forward to trying Skyrim Reloaded. Has anyone messed around with it yet? Thoughts? Compatibility issues?
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May 30, 2016 06:56
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I think the criticism is more mod creators are stupid and ban people for legitimately pointing out flaws in constructive ways.
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May 30, 2016 07:12
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See, on the one hand I feel for y'all and there are lots of special snowflake modders out there with fragile egos who ban peeps for bug reports. Hell just look at arthmoor and gategate for a snapshot of modding egos. Or hell, the paid mods fiasco. But on the other hand y'all haven't had people threaten to rape you over PMs because you're a female modder and you wouldn't make a compatibility patch or include their dumbass changes, or stalked on steam because you made the mistake of adding someone asking questions about the xcom sdk, so counterpoint, gently caress mod users. I wouldn't blame Elianora in the sightest for shutting down her mod pages and frankly it'd be exactly what those folks deserve. I'm lucky in that my fallout mods are only moderately popular (500,000 unique downloads or so), I can't imagine what it's like for her. Like criticism is all well and good, but you underestimate how easy it is for greasy neckbeard fuckboys to step over that line into harassment, and at that point you bet I'm pressing that 'ban from my mods' button, because gently caress you, you don't get to enjoy my hard work if you're going to be an rear end in a top hat about it. Point being is that I have a healthy contempt for people who comment on nexus or Beth.net mod pages, because it's very difficult to overestimate people on there. On the other hand there are lots of great comments too! Every thank you is a really awesome feeling, and seeing folks give detailed feedback and critique is exciting and pretty awesome! It's why I can deal with the odd shithead, because despite it all I legitimately enjoy modding and sharing my work with other people. But I gotta say the 'ban user from accessing your mods' feature is pretty great when it's warranted, if only because it serves as a good deterrence for people who are overly attached to a free  account, which coincidentally tends to mostly include the aforementioned assholes. Is it abused? Certainly! But on the other hand, it's not difficult to get around and I find the only people bothered by it are those who deserve it anyways. The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 07:44 on May 30, 2016 |
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doctor 7 posted:I just download mods and endorse the ones I think are good. I never comment because I just don't want to roll the dice of the mod author being that thin-skinned tool that thinks he or she is bestowing some glorious gift to some community pleb. I don't intend to turn this into an identity politics thing, my point was really that there's a lot of pretty awesome experiences that come from being a modder. Knowing you've really improved someone's experience is really fantastic and 99% of comments are, if not positive of constructive critiques, at least dreck that's annoying as heck but ignorable. But for that 1% that remains I like having the proverbial nuclear option in my back pocket. I've only had to use it I think three or four times, mostly on creeps or jerks who really didn't get the hint (the rape threat guy was banned obviously), but it's nice to have in that situation. Doesn't mean having a 'block from comments' feature isn't an better solution, even if I personally enjoy the extra 'screw you make a new account to download my poo poo' bit when someone really deserves it. If you're gunna be an rear end in a top hat, well, there are consequences for that. Doesn't mean modder freakouts at the slightest criticism aren't hilarious and unfortunate of course. I'm not even trying to say its a good feature overall. Just that I like having it in a few situations personally. The Iron Rose fucked around with this message at 09:30 on May 30, 2016 |
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The Iron Rose posted:... you don't get to enjoy my hard work if you're going to be an rear end in a top hat about it. This is really what it boils down to. The fact that anybody here is arguing that they should be able to enjoy somebody's hard work while being an rear end in a top hat about it kind of blows my mind. There seems to be this kind of myth of the psycho modder who bans anybody who looks at them sideways, but that kind of poo poo is extremely, extremely rare. I've left tons of comments on mod pages... made requests, reported bugs... hell, I've even gotten into arguments with Arthmoor a couple times, and I've never had anybody block me. Of the hundreds of comments people have left on my mods, there have been like four or five that were crazy enough to delete, and like I said I only blocked one person ever and it was temporary. Usually even when people are jerks it's just funny. If anything, the typical nexus user is more chill than the typical goon. You guys fuckin wig me out sometimes.
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To me this is a win-win situation: You get to hurt the modders feelings, and you don't have to see their crappy mods anymore.
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I like to call modders racial slurs.
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Nerd Of Prey posted:If anything, the typical nexus user is more chill than the typical goon. You guys fuckin wig me out sometimes. I think that this is only the case because of how ban happy the moderators at Nexus are. Years ago, when they had the 1 to 10 scale for mod quality, people were a lot more critical. I don't necessarily disagree with you, but probably 99% of the Nexus user base is struggling to hold their tongue, regardless of how dumb their opinions are (probably really dumb, in a lot of cases). A lot of this perception about ban happy mod authors probably comes from the fact that some prominent mod authors are, in fact, ban happy (DDProductions83 comes to mind for me). Most people (myself included) could care less about how people respond to their mods. I stopped leaving comments on the Nexus years ago, unless it's a really awesome mod and a simple endorsement won't do, or a bug report for a non-insane modder. Arthmoor was a supporter for the current system, but I can't say I've ever seen him ban anyone on absurd grounds. I know he tends to turn off the crazy when it comes to the Unofficial Patches. Alasyre fucked around with this message at 14:10 on May 30, 2016 |
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Tender Bender posted:Are you using this mod and/or upset about not being able to download it? The point was more that modders are not really noble champions doing us a favor by creating free content just for us In fact I would argue most modders make mods for themselves
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Squeegy posted:The point was more that modders are not really noble champions doing us a favor by creating free content just for us Obviously modders make mods for themselves. This is a totally moot point though, because they're still doing you a favor by sharing it. This only reinforces my point that they don't owe you jack poo poo, because they didn't make that mod for you in the first place.
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This is a bit like going to a free concert and having one of the musicians is ordering certain people to leave. If it's one screaming drunk it's one thing. If it's "You and you and you and you (and so on)" it's another thing.
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Squeegy posted:The point was more that modders are not really noble champions doing us a favor by creating free content just for us I never said they were noble champions, I said that every mod I use is the result of someone else spending a lot of time to make something and sharing it with me. It's totally fine to disagree with modders choosing to block people, you don't need to jump through hoops to put yourself on the moral high ground. Tender Bender fucked around with this message at 21:21 on May 30, 2016 |
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Darth Brooks posted:This is a bit like going to a free concert and having one of the musicians is ordering certain people to leave. First of all, you can totally get thrown out of a free concert if you're being an rear end in a top hat. You can get thrown out of just about anywhere for being an rear end in a top hat. And in this analogy the person getting blocked is always the equivalent of the screaming drunk. You're not going to get randomly thrown out of a free concert for politely enjoying the show, and you're also never going to get blocked for saying "cool mod, thanks." If you get blocked, it's for a reason. Might not be a good reason, but you had to do something to get on their bad side. It's not something that happens at random to people quietly minding their business.
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Can we all agree that ApolloDown is a terrible modder with the sense of humor of a loving retard?
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Modders being assholes and mod users being assholes are extremely mutually exclusive ideas and we should argue about them even more
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Should I use Skyrim Reloaded, or should I wait? The nexus page makes it sound like some stuff still needs to be worked on.
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I read the last two pages and deeply regret it. Though I guess the worst mod comment I've had is tied between the crazy lady who wrote a fanfic about her character and sexy husband companion Dagoth Ur playing through Muffinwind and the guy who earnestly begged me to implement a fuckable muffin sex slave, so I might just be lucky.
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Realistic Lighting Overhaul is no longer being updated.Daemonui posted:After years of being one of the top mods for lighting, Realistic Lighting Overhaul (RLO) is now being left behind in a decision made by Sydney666, and supported by myself (Daemonui).
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Rollofthedice posted:Should I use Skyrim Reloaded, or should I wait? The nexus page makes it sound like some stuff still needs to be worked on. Wait, currently it mostly just crashes.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:I read the last two pages and deeply regret it. I have this one guy who is at least half of my comments on one mod. It never ends. He is the single guy I have considered just blocking from my mods just so I won't have to see him anymore.
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Eric the Mauve posted:After I recently went on a custom follower kick, I wrote up a lengthy effortpost about the major custom follower mods, then re-read it and realized most of it was pointless fluff no one wants to read. Here's the condensed version: far as I can tell there are four serious follower mods on Nexus that are the most popular by far, ignoring the various waifus and such. (I've never tried Interesting NPCs but others in this thread have said it contains some good custom followers.) I noticed none of those are Brhuce Hammar and they all should be.  MadJackMcJack posted:Because he said the women in a followers mod looked like aliens. He made this into a quest in Brhuce Hammar. Agents are GO! fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Jun 1, 2016 |
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ThaumPenguin posted:Depends on how far you want to take it. Late, but thank you for this. Clean slate Skyrim gives me a lot to work with.
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