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Lima
Jun 17, 2012

Knifegrab posted:

You're lucky I've been working on my photoshop skills:



That picture is inadvertently (I assume) extremely meta seeing as Sandro was one of the devs on Evil Genius.

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Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.
Fine I did a better job you guys:

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

I wouldn't pin this one on Braben really.

RabidWeasel
Aug 4, 2007

Cultures thrive on their myths and legends...and snuggles!
Yeah from what I've gathered from forum posts and interviews the stupidity is coming from a select number of higher level developers but Braben generally seems pretty cool.

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.

Dante80 posted:

I wouldn't pin this one on Braben really.

Fine lets be more general:

BMan
Oct 31, 2015

KNIIIIIIFE
EEEEEYYYYE
ATTAAAACK


Braben could easily use his CEO powers to cut down the grind if he wanted to, so ultimately yes it's his fault.

KakerMix
Apr 8, 2004

8.2 M.P.G.
:byetankie:
I'm a little confused at how prominent these engineer weapons are. How is it that so many NPCs from all walks of space-life have chummy relationships with engineers that they have ships equipped with this sort of stuff? How can these apparently single-person enterprises that are secretive and hard to find somehow able to supply so many ships with their weapons? With how many friends the engineers have (all the NPCs) you'd figure they themselves would be the powers in the galaxy. Who gives a poo poo about Hudson when you can get righteous weapons for doing favors for the engineers? How aren't theses weapon manufactures on their own merits with how popular their tweaks are with the NPCs at large?

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Knifegrab posted:

Fine lets be more general:





This was a little bit funny the first time around, but by now you have killed your joke dead and are starting to molest the corpse.

Stanko-Prussian
May 22, 2006

CLEAN YOUR ROOM!, 'they' said.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK!, 'they' said.
WHY ARE YOU IN LOVE WITH A CARTOON PONY, 'they' said.
FOR GODSAKE! STOP SHOWING US YOUR BLACKHOLE'!! 'they' said.

When I lit the match....STOP SCREAMING, 'I' said
These gun bugs are why you should vote for Bernie, he's gonna bring an end to superPACs.

Tippis
Mar 21, 2008

It's yet another day in the wasteland.

Stanko-Prussian posted:

These gun bugs are why you should vote for Bernie, he's gonna bring an end to superPACs.

:cripes:

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Stanko-Prussian posted:

These gun bugs are why you should vote for Bernie, he's gonna bring an end to superPACs.

:golfclap:

Antoine Silvere
Nov 25, 2008

Are these soap bubbles?
Grimey Drawer
I haven't kept up with this game in a while but did they somehow manage to make this game worse???

Stanko-Prussian
May 22, 2006

CLEAN YOUR ROOM!, 'they' said.
DO YOUR HOMEWORK!, 'they' said.
WHY ARE YOU IN LOVE WITH A CARTOON PONY, 'they' said.
FOR GODSAKE! STOP SHOWING US YOUR BLACKHOLE'!! 'they' said.

When I lit the match....STOP SCREAMING, 'I' said

Antoine Silvere posted:

I haven't kept up with this game in a while but did they somehow manage to make this game worse???

It's on the whole better it's just making a weird grinding noise right now, i'd say with hindsight they probably shouldn't have launched a massive patch before a 3-day weekend but it's not the first or even second time they've done exactly this

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.

Libluini posted:

This was a little bit funny the first time around, but by now you have killed your joke dead and are starting to molest the corpse.

Don't blame me blame the people complaining about a bad photoshop.

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

Antoine Silvere posted:

I haven't kept up with this game in a while but did they somehow manage to make this game worse???

Still the best space sim on the market :shrug:

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Still the best space sim on the market :shrug:

No way!

GOG has all of the X-Wing/TIE games -and- Wing Commander Games!

Antoine Silvere
Nov 25, 2008

Are these soap bubbles?
Grimey Drawer

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Still the best space sim on the market :shrug:

the bar is pretty low

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Still the best space sim on the market :shrug:

Made in the last 5 years

Arrath
Apr 14, 2011


Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

Looks like maybe C3 multicannons are bugged for NPC's and they shoot plasma instead?

Maybe its like Fallout 4's Unending weapons, there's a really rare engineer weapon that doesn't have a magazine and just spews out shots as fast as it can until you overheat/run dry.

And AI don't give a gently caress about heat, ammo or energy sooooo.

UCS Hellmaker
Mar 29, 2008
Toilet Rascal
Even though the ai dev said they should and don't react any different then players (bullshit)

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

UCS Hellmaker posted:

Even though the ai dev said they should and don't react any different then players (bullshit)

I believe she thinks that's how it works.

Eyud
Aug 5, 2006

I finally made it!



Flew around a bit, almost overheated when I got too close once, marveled at the gravitational lensing a bit, dropped off some trash:



Time to head home. Oof.



Edit: bonus picture of the Earth-like I stumbled across a few hundred light years from Sag A*:



Eyud fucked around with this message at 02:09 on May 31, 2016

BombiTheZombie
Mar 27, 2010
The engineer materials grind is soul-crushing in its awfulness. It turns out that some components only drop from certain factions of ships, including the cops.

Electrochemical Arrays only ever drop from System Authority ships and Security Firmware Patches are either very rare or only spawn from certain very specific data points.

So if you want level 2-3 multicannon or pulse laser upgrades you have to be a cop killa. Good luck with that considering they tend to jump in with wings of 2+,

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Ugh. At least there's now a genuine motivation to get player to player trading in the game.

Hell, do it Guild Wars 1 style, where everything still goes through an NPC merchant and is traded for cash, but units sold vs units purchased by players is used to calculate the prices.

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Space Skeleton posted:

Space loot is so far adding a lot of extra enjoyment to every activity for me.

Same, it's surprisingly fun collecting it all. I think it adds another layer of depth to the game world, and it's always nice getting extra rewards for destroying a ship or checking out a USS or POI. Now if only it didn't take an entire weekend of poopsocking for me to gather just half the materials for a single level-1 upgrade :negative:

Also, the radio chatter and space traffic controllers are a really cool touch that has helped bring the world to life in a big way. Other cool things: direct routes between starts/stations/outposts are now called shipping lanes, the ability to scan nav beacons, the fact that missions now come from NPCs with a name and a face, etc. And of course the ability to upgrade things is nice (even if I'm not a huge fan of the RNG aspect and the inability to duplicate modules you like). It adds up to make a significant difference in how alive the game feels...much of it must have taken a relatively minimal effort to do though, unless the game engine/coding is amazingly slow to work with or something.

But the broken/cheating NPCs and the constant grind are bullshit.

I'm half impressed and half disappointed with the engineers update, i guess.


MisterZimbu posted:

I'm an idiot who accepted a trading mission instead of blowing stuff up (though to be fair it sounds like you really can't blow stuff up right now).

I can tell what systems export an item I need, but is there a way in game to easily tell which stations actually sell the commodity, besides checking each one individually on the system map (which in peak :frontear: requires 5 clicks per station plus loading times if it's on a surface)?

Also I got interdicted by a loving NPC anaconda that immediately opened fire on me. gently caress this piece of poo poo game

My current remedy for the magic elite anaconda interdictions of certain-death, is to ctrl-alt-delete + kill process. And then reload the game. Beats losing 20 million credits plus missions and cargo to cheating AI.

:frontear:

IAmTheRad posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ32a8wg7x4 further proof the AI cheats like hell. Seriously, :frontear: needs to fix this ASAP or they'll turn off all brand new players, as they have been turning off current players just for the AI difficulty from "casual" to "dark souls is easy by comparison"

RabidWeasel posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_6HjebZFYs

Some kind of RoF bug + AI having infinite ammo, energy and no heat buildup from shooting = hello plasma accelerator multicannon! This probably explains those "my Python just instantly melted" videos :v:

impossible, there is no bug, it's just immature call of duty kids whining about an ELITE :smug: and DANGEROUS :smug: adult-oriented game :smug: :smug:

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

Rah! posted:

:smug: adult-oriented game :smug: :smug:
You need a lot more than procedurally generated planets to earn that moniker...

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


tooterfish posted:

You need a lot more than procedurally generated planets to earn that moniker...

i dunno man planets and stars are pretty sexy

especially when they align :quagmire:

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM1ZXMaTPoA

For the people that think its a multicanon gone wrong. The very least its a plasma acc gone horribly wrong or just gone slightly wrong and NPCs are loving cheater who would have thought it!?

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


TTerrible posted:

That person has never played Elite Dangerous.

I'm beginning to believe this is the case with most of the devs at frontier.

K8.0 posted:

The game has solid core mechanics because Braben is a talented game designer. Everything else sucks, likely because he's hired other people who are not talented at all.

maybe some of the lovely devs making the shittiest decisions are his personal friends or something, and he gives them the benefit of the doubt way too much.

:v: "hey bob, how's the development going? "
:smug: "It's Fine. "
:v: "Ok!"
:v: "Hey bob, i heard a bunch of people are complaining about the game, what's up? "
:smug:" Oh, they're just whiners who are never satisfied, it's all fine!"
:v: "Ok!"

Surprise Giraffe
Apr 30, 2007
1 Lunar Road
Moon crater
The Moon
As horrible as they must be to come up against, those bugged weapons look/sound awesome

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

TTerrible posted:

That person has never played Elite Dangerous.
That person is the AI lead.

Space Skeleton
Sep 28, 2004

She does the AI tactics, I don't think the plasma thing has anything to do with her.

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


BombiTheZombie posted:

The engineer materials grind is soul-crushing in its awfulness. It turns out that some components only drop from certain factions of ships, including the cops.

Electrochemical Arrays only ever drop from System Authority ships and Security Firmware Patches are either very rare or only spawn from certain very specific data points.

So if you want level 2-3 multicannon or pulse laser upgrades you have to be a cop killa. Good luck with that considering they tend to jump in with wings of 2+,

You can also get materials from missions, including some pretty rare materials, so always check the mission board.

Moral_Hazard
Aug 21, 2012

Rich Kid of Insurancegram
I finally got back from my weeks long exploration trip to the North American, Elelphant Trunk, and NGC 7822 Nebulas. I loved the NGC 7822 nebula with its Type O blue-white stars and black holes.







Here's an imgur album with some others.

I was a little worried about the new cheating uber-NPC's getting back into the bubble, but fellow DF helped with an escort. Now, I'm not sure what to do in this game; seems like getting the engineer materials is a super grind, RES sites are unfun, and Robigo is done.

I might do some missions to get into a icourier. Any suggestions?

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006


Space Skeleton posted:

She does the AI tactics, I don't think the plasma thing has anything to do with her.

Yeah, the AI is good. It's the proliferation of top-tier upgrades (any upgrades should be somewhat rare on NPCs, and top-tier ones should be extra rare), the fact that NPCs don't get heat damage or run out of ammo, can jump magically far distances and always know where you are, etc. and the bugged weapons that are loving things up. Maybe they could decrease the number of elite NPCs too.

3 Action Economist
May 22, 2002

Educate. Agitate. Liberate.


Looks amazing

Akion
May 7, 2006
Grimey Drawer
How does the vulture do with 1 beam and 1 MC now?

TacticalNecromancy
May 25, 2015

MoraleHazard posted:

I finally got back from my weeks long exploration trip to the North American, Elelphant Trunk, and NGC 7822 Nebulas. I loved the NGC 7822 nebula with its Type O blue-white stars and black holes.

I might do some missions to get into a icourier. Any suggestions?

Well, that sort of area sounds like my next journey. I've been cruising vertically up and I've found some wonderful places, but no really interesting star systems. It's just L, M and K out here, though I've passed a few giants.

Some interesting planetary systems though, like one with a binary pair of gas giants, then a trinary trio. Out from the closest on the chart, they're ~2, ~1.5 and ~1 Jupiter mass a piece, which made it even better.

Elsewhere, I found a binary pair of equal-sized moons orbiting about their own radius apart:



Also a crater so deep it's positively got an atmosphere at the bottom of it.

Moral_Hazard
Aug 21, 2012

Rich Kid of Insurancegram
Those are some really cool shots. How is the DBS for exploring? I have about 14M credits now from my trip. Thought about getting either the DBS or the Asp-E for the next trip, but I'm going to fart around the bubble before I do so.

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3
Aug 26, 2006

The Magic Number


College Slice

MoraleHazard posted:

Those are some really cool shots. How is the DBS for exploring? I have about 14M credits now from my trip. Thought about getting either the DBS or the Asp-E for the next trip, but I'm going to fart around the bubble before I do so.

That's actually a DBX, they changed the default paintjob this patch, I assume to better match its sibling. It looks pretty sharp, but no creamsicle anymore, so it's kind of a wash.

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