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Ragnar Homsar posted:Also Fetus theorized that the reason Eradicate hurts so much is that it applies the defense debuff before dealing the damage, and while that sounds plausible, it'd also be the only case of that happening in the entire game. I was wrong about this. Eradicate does not do that. Juggernaut just hits really really hard. Most of his attacks will one shot your party members. But Eradicate is an AOE, so it killing your party members is much more noticeable. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 17:28 on May 31, 2016 |
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Note that, like Kingly Fire, you can stop King's Rush with a well-timed leg bind. This is particularly fun if you deliberately don't dispel Berserk Cry and just deal a bajillion damage instead 
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theshim posted:Note that, like Kingly Fire, you can stop King's Rush with a well-timed leg bind. I would have loved to have known that when I first fought Juggernaut. Actually, there were a lot of things I wish I had known during that fight, like what actually caused him to use Violent Cry and subsequently King's Rush. It was a really, really tough battle not knowing that.
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Red haired girl? Time travel? A guy who gives things wierd names? I cannot literally believe you referenced Steins;Gate of all the things you could have referenced. I am in shock.
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I'm going to try and predict where Armoroad and Tharsis are in the real world, going by climate and location. Armoroad: Warm, on the sea. Going by this, basically gives us nothing. My top choices would have to be either rogue Californian coast, a Caribbean island, or Greece. Tharsis is a bit trickier, but my gut says either somewhere in China, or possibly the Great Plains of America (Somewhere near Colorado or Wyoming).
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Junpei posted:I'm going to try and predict where Armoroad and Tharsis are in the real world, going by climate and location. We have a Megathread for this.
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Whoops, my bad, just piggybacking on what Ragnar said about Etrian being in Shinjuku and Laagard being in Russia.
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Well, I must admit, binge-reading this LP has made my last two work shifts a hell of a lot more entertaining. Fetus's EO2 LP is what got me interested in the EO series at all (and of course I'm following the EO3 LP as well), but seeing the differences between the remake and the original is really interesting. Your narrative is well done, too. Great job so far Ragnar, looking forward to the next update.
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Interesting thing to note: Etrian Oddyssey Untold is on sale for $10 on the eShop, and Etrian Odyssey 2 Untold is also on sale for $35! If you enjoy the LP, this is a good chance to try to get into the series, the Untold games story modes offer a comfortable pace for learning the games without being too intimidating.
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Update 45: The "Invincible" Jugga Blubba  This party is something I put together in a failed attempt to try and get the best reward for The test of courage. That didn't pan out, so we might as well just do this one. Gallant ronin:  Oh, did you have something to say? Oh, you're here to assist? That'll be a great help. You see, our guild accepted a quest to exterminate certain monsters somewhere on the 20th floor. It turned out to be a pair of birdlike monsters. It ended up more trouble than it was worth, but we took them out. Well, be patient. I'm still telling my story. There's something a little unusual about these bird creatures, and how they operate... Three pairs of them move as one group. And since we defeated only one of those pairs, there are two more to go...in other words, four birds left. I'm guessing it's because we took down a pair already, but the other birds are laying low, sticking to their nest. Looks like they're fairly riled up, though. If we just met them head-on, things might get unpleasant. Worst case, they might head to the lower floors and cause a lot of damage. We should finish them off before they do... But of course it wouldn't be that easy. The two pairs split up to move. Whoa there, hold on. Relax. We do need your help taking down the monsters, but since they split into two groups, we must do the same. If the plan works, our group and your group will defeat the two monster duos simultaneously. The birds we'd like you to go after are here, on the 20th floor.  Our guild will handle the birds on the opposite side. Once we notice that you have entered the 20th floor, we will take action. Good luck!   Our job is to kill these two Enraged Raptors. You've already seen what it's like to fight these things, so I'll just skip ahead.   SYSTEM: Cautiously, you ensure that the beast is no longer a threat... You've done it! The quest has been completed! Standing with pride over your quarry, you hear cheering and celebration from a distant room...   SYSTEM: Perhaps noticing your inquiring gaze, a gunner girl gives you a broad grin, waving her arm in farewell. The ronin client, and indeed the rest of his guild, appears to be all smiling with relief and triumph. You wave back to your colleagues. Their task complete, the group uses an Ariadne Thread to return home. You see them off. You may now return to town at your leisure to report.     Rheine's level up is irrelevant, for reasons you'll see later.  This is the only quest from 23F.   Cass was referring to an alternate way out in case you haven't been training a Beast. We don't need to do that, though!         Medica IVs restore 500 HP to one party member. I'm not gonna show how I invested Phoebe's skill point, because...   Meet the Juggernaut party. It only has two damage dealers plus Link Order, but that's fine, because Milly and Ranger are an incredibly lethal combo, especially when Juggernaut's gimmick is factored in.     Phoebe's unchanged aside from another point in Phys DEF Up. She has an Arm Guard on because arm binds completely shut her down, and Juggernaut's capable of inflicting them.     Ranger just has more points in Force Mastery, really.     I rested Milly to reallocate her Shelter Song/Fire Prelude points into Volt Prelude and Shock Fantasia. I also maxed out Skanda Ensemble since it's useful in more than a few situations.     Jackie is the same level she was for Harpuia. I got lazy with grinding her.     Rheine is, much like Phoebe, unchanged.    Let's get on with it, then. Juggernaut is completely stationary at the moment, but that will change shortly.   What we have to do is draw a bomb over here, and then draw it towards Juggernaut.   Like so.   Doing this knocks off around 10% of Juggernaut's HP, but also causes him to aggro to you. This is a very bad thing, since Jugg is REALLY fast. He needs to take a turn to change direction, but at the moment, he takes 3 steps towards us every two steps we take. I'm really terrible at this puzzle, to the point that I have a solid 3 minutes of raw footage of me just meandering around, trying to hit Jugg with more bombs. All you need to know about Jugg's bomb puzzle is that he will swat away any bombs that collide with him from his front, and every time you hit him with another bomb, the number of steps he takes for every two steps you take goes down by one.   Once you hit Juggernaut with bombs four times, he stops moving, and the bombs will no longer spawn. Before we fight him, though, I'm pretty beat up from the bombs. What was that blue Pole at the start of the floor?   SYSTEM: You are tempted to reach out towards the pillar of light, though you wonder if you shouldn't ignore it and proceed onward.   SYSTEM: When the light fades, you find that your wounds have been mysteriously healed. It seems that this pillar, unlike a Geomagnetic Pole, has the power to restore one's health. You curiously touch the blue pillar once more, but nothing happens. It may be that you need to give it time to recharge before you can heal yourselves again. Upon reaching that conclusion, you decide to return to the task at hand. The blue Pole functions as both a once-per-24-hours heal, and a save point. The save point part is very useful, since Juggernaut and the bomb puzzle reset when you leave the floor.    VIDEO: Boss Fight: Juggernaut   A quick refresher on Juggernaut's stats: quote:
Phoebe has nothing better to do on this turn.  Ranger will prep Delayed Chase, like always.  It didn't occur to me until halfway through the fight, but Shock Fantasia's debuff gets purged off by Ad Nihilo, and since Rheine is going to be using Ad Nihilo a lot, well...  I'd rather wait for Berserk Cry before using Burst Shot.  Rheine, similarly to Phoebe, has nothing better to do.   That was incredibly unlikely, to say the least. Not only is Shield Smite's arm bind chance terrible at level 1 (25%), but Juggernaut has a 22 LUC advantage on Phoebe.   It's...decent damage, but Juggernaut has a whopping 43200 HP right now. How will we ever fix this?  Oh, right, before we fix our damage situation, Jugg casts Reckless Barrier, since we hit him with Volt damage. Nothing Ad Nihilo can't take care of, even if it will purge off the Shock Fantasia debuff. Anyway, yeah, fixing our damage.   This is how we fix it.  Juggernaut will cast Berserk Cry this turn, so I have Milly just put Volt Prelude on Ranger.  And Rheine'll take care of that pesky defense buff.     That's nice damage...but it could be better.    Oh, thank you, Juggernaut. In case you missed the stats above, Berserk Cry buffs your party and Juggernaut's damage by 100%--it doubles your damage.  Juggernaut's going to actually start attacking now, so I have Phoebe start using Front Guard.  I should've just kept using Thunder Wave, honestly. Blade Recoil is at a lower level than Thunder Wave is, plus Juggernaut's TEC is lower than his VIT.  NOW it's Burst Shot time.     Yeah, I would've gotten more by just using Thunder Wave. Oh well, 2700 damage is nothing to scoff at.   Compare that to Jackie's damage output earlier.  We're dealing good damage, but Juggernaut's not close to dying right now. I have Ranger use Extend, as a result.  Warrior Song will get cut down to 60% of its normal effect (24%), but whatever, I want to squeeze out as much damage as I can.   Two normal attacks, both on Ranger, who has Self-Regenerate and just heals them up at the end of every turn. Juggernaut isn't exactly using his turns well.  I've lowered Juggernaut's HP enough that I know for a fact that he's about to use Eradicate, which is very capable of leaving most of the party severely hurt, and Jackie severely dead, so I have Phoebe use Sentinel Guard, in combination with Shield Protect, because there isn't a lot of time left in the fight anyway.  I have Milly turn on War Song to pause everyone's buff durations, and to prepare for Violent Cry. She'll also heal Ranger's TP, since he'll run out otherwise.  I also have Jackie turn on Action Boost, so she can get the most out of it before I use Supreme Bolt.   Oh my god that's a massive increase from earlier.   Jackie's close to matching Ranger's damage!    Sentinel Guard took a LOT of the hurt out of Eradicate. It's a 40% reduction to all damage at level 20, in addition to "setting the party's DEF to the user's" (whatever that means on an internal level). With Shield Protect, the 60% damage our party would've normally taken gets further reduced to 30%.  To ensure nothing goes wrong on this turn, I have Phoebe break out Perfect Defense. Remember, Perfect Defense is not technically a shield skill, and is not disabled by Sentinel Guard!  This is gonna be fun.   War Song stopped Violent Cry from dispelling our buffs--it's easy to forget that it does that, honestly, since there's so few situations where this would be useful. I'd normally be worried that Juggernaut's about to use King's Rush, but it doesn't matter in this situation.       Because he's about to meet a very gruesome end.    Oh dear GOD.        Ranger is very strong, what can I say?  SYSTEM: The mysterious voice fades away with this ominous promise. SYSTEM: It seems you are drawing near to the dread Overlord and the Grail of Kings he wields. You consider returning to town and stocking up on provisions before proceeding...   The room to the left of the Juggernaut arena has Japanese Food 5 in it.   This isn't actually the way forward, but I am nothing if not thorough.      This Mine point is basically the only thing in this area.   That encounter meter is dangerously in the red, and I do not want to risk dying after beating Juggernaut. Back to town we go.   Oh, come on.  I upgraded the North Ward because we had surplus funds.    The Gourmet King is in the North Ward, so I just tossed in the most expensive food I had available.       And the other ones.  That's all for now! Next time: 24F. Only two floors left before the final boss. Rea fucked around with this message at 08:15 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Hey hey, being halfway through the stratum means it's new party time again! There's not much I can say about characters that you can't already guess by this point, so just vote for a maximum of 5 party members, with a maximum of two votes for a single character. That's not all, however! There's one extra corollary to this voting session: it's also time to vote for the Overlord party! I am deliberately withholding information on Overlord, except for these factoids:
5 votes maximum, at least one character from each category, max three votes per character. I'd prefer if you don't just duplicate your votes, but hey, I can't stop you. Also note that I reserve full right to call a re-vote if I feel that the party from this voting session is incapable of killing Overlord. If you need a refresher on categories: Attack: Zack, Freyja, Stardust, Asriel, Jackie, Tyler, Ranger Defense: Phoebe, Ursa Support: Nadia, Realga, Milly, Sophie, Colette, Rheine
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quote:Huh! That's neat. Freyja, Sophie, Ursa, Colette, Realga
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Kemix posted:Asriel, Realga, Phoebe, Ranger, Jackie BlackPersona posted:Freyja, Sophie, Ursa, Colette, Realga Are both of your votes for both the 24F/25F exploration party and the Overlord party, or do you want to vote separately for the two parties?
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I like the theory that the Juggernaut is Apicius, even though I'm pretty sure there's at least two contradictions to that in the game. Second Half: Jackie, Ursa, Sophie, Freyja, Asriel Overlord: Ranger, Phoebe, Freyja, Realga, Rheine
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Are both of your votes for both the 24F/25F exploration party and the Overlord party, or do you want to vote separately for the two parties? I missed we were voting for the Overlord party as well. Exploration party: Asriel, Realga, Phoebe, Ranger, Jackie Boss party: Stardust, Asriel, Phoebe, Milly, Realga Kemix fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:I like the theory that the Juggernaut is Apicius, even though I'm pretty sure there's at least two contradictions to that in the game. I thought he was Hrothgar on my first run through, but then I learned what happens to Hrothgar in Story mode and was disappointed. The hair is vaguely similar, and the Overlord describes Juggernaut as a protector.
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That was actually a popular theory that was going around when EO2 first came out. Mind you that game didn't have a Story mode, so Hrothgar was as good as dead there and so there was nothing contradicting that theory until EO2U came along. Both: Freyja, Asriel, Ursa, Realga, and Stardust. Might as well end things off with the starting party.
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Dr. Fetus posted:That was actually a popular theory that was going around when EO2 first came out. Mind you that game didn't have a Story mode, so Hrothgar was as good as dead there and so there was nothing contradicting that theory until EO2U came along. Yeah, I'm voting for this too. This should be an interesting finale for the main game.
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Ragnar Homsar posted:Are both of your votes for both the 24F/25F exploration party and the Overlord party, or do you want to vote separately for the two parties? Oh, didn't know we could vote for different parties. But yeah sure both parties
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First Party: Zack, Tyler, Frejya, Ursa, Realga. Overlord: Colette, Realga, Ranger, Phoebe, Sophie. There's only one thing I want to see with this second party, and I'll be damned if it doesn't happen.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Both: Freyja, Asriel, Ursa, Realga, and Stardust. I concur with this.
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Dr. Fetus posted:Both: Freyja, Asriel, Ursa, Realga, and Stardust. Book ends!
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Ragnar Homsar posted:
Look, I know names are hard but that's not Phoebe. But at least you're not forgetting to give people armor anymore.
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RareAcumen posted:Look, I know names are hard but that's not Phoebe. I don't even have an excuse for that one--I'm pretty sure I was 100% awake when writing that part.  Fixed.
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Current results for the exploration party:quote:Realga: 7 Current results for the Overlord party: quote:Realga: 8 Anyone not listed has no votes.
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Update 17: Flame Demon  Before we go fight the Flame Demon, let's do some more cooking. I went ahead and got the last ingredient I was missing for these recipes.  Dialogue merges here.  This triples the rate of rare breeds appearing. Handy if you want to go grinding.    There are two different skits depending on which choice you make.  ...... ......! The chewy and sweet dango matches well with the tangy sauce... It's quite delightful!   This can come in handy if you want to snag kill with Curse damage conditionals. It's also really handy for a couple of cheese strategies that involve the Curse ailment.    Dialogue merges here.  Increases the party's resistance to Paralysis by 80%. Handy for exploring and a few fights. With that, we've completed all the recipes for the 2nd Stratum.  And Abigail's dialogue if you already fulfilled the requirements for the Smithy Tompson's request. There's nothing else left in the Stratum, so it's time to fight Flame Demon.    Okay, we're right at Flame Demon's door, so let's see how Guild is doing.                I have Owl Earrings on everyone since that will be important for this fight. And I am using the TP Up food because Knight really can't outlast Flame Demon. Okay, let's get this started.    In the center of the falling red leaves, you detect an intense malevolence beyond any you've faced until now.  Though the Flame Demon clearly notices your intrusion, it placidly stands its ground. The only emotion it displays is the quiet arrogance of a creature of power. The girl boldly declares her intent and takes a step forth. In your view, you wonder if Arianna may be a bit too worked up...  The woman smiles warmly to her guildmates after their show of support. You face a dreadful opponent, but there is no need to fear. Take up arms and fight alongside your guild!  Flame Demon Level: 29 HP: 8790 STR: 26 TEC: 24 VIT: 24 AGI: 17 LUC: 22 Skills:
Disable resistances: Before I get too deep into this boss fight, let me ask you a question. For those of you that have beaten the post-games of the Etrian series, did you enjoy the pattern based true final bosses? If so, great! Because for some stupid reason, Atlus decided to make nearly every boss fight in this game like that! The result is that the boss fights in EO2U are mostly garbage. Now every boss fight is a trial and error fight! Better break out the notebook and pencil, kids. Because chances are you're going to need those if you're doing these blind.     Because I know exactly what Flame Demon is going to do, this fight isn't going to be much of a problem. Unfortunately, that's a big problem with the boss fights now that they're pattern based. Once you figure out the pattern (Or looked them up like a coward), they are mind numbingly easy if you have to tools to deal with the pattern. As I am about to demonstrate here.   Oh that's nice.    I have absolutely nothing to worry about on this turn, thanks to Flame Demon using Madness Roar, which my party is completely immune to.    Wow. Yeah, damage wise, I should be fine during this fight.  By the way, if you're playing Story Mode, I hope Scarlet Rain isn't your favorite track.  Because if you're playing story mode, there's a small chance that you may be hearing this song a majority of the time instead.  Also I hope you have a Protector, because a majority of the boss fights in the game were balanced with the assumption that you would have one in the party. Totally not restrictive at all. Seriously, some of their attacks aren't survivable without specific skills from the Protector's skillset.   Okay, let's get some damage going.     Pfft.  That averaged to around 320 damage from Ice Wave, which is a bit less than what Chloe is dishing out. A little girl with a sword is more powerful than a guy with demon powers.  But that's why you set up stuff like Delayed Chase and the like with your Fafnir.  Flame Demon just lost around 1200 HP in one turn. Yeah, time and resources are not going to be an issue here.   Here's the cons of working with only one party instead of multiple in an EO LP. Your basic strategy essentially stays the same throughout most of the essential fights. Why fix what isn't broken and all that?  It'll be a while before Flavio really becomes a damage dealer. Survivalists are not a bad class in EO2U. They're actually really powerful, so don't be too down on using one. Please do not make the mistake of reclassing Flavio into a Gunner or Hexer just because Survalists were garbage in EO2 and EOU. I have seen several players do that and make things much harder for themselves in the end.     While Chloe may seem like an impressive damage dealer early on, she's much better as a support in the late-game. Not because her damage falls off late, but because she has far more of an impact supporting her party. Flavio will take up the role of the secondary damage dealer instead at that point, which is why I don't recommend reclassing him.   Everyone avoided Terror's Embrace there.   Aaaand this is where the fight really starts going downhill in terms of quality. Flame Cube Level: 28 HP: 580 STR: 22 TEC: 21 VIT: 22 AGI: 17 LUC: 22 Skills:
Disable resistances: 800% TEC-based Fire damage. That is one of the strongest attacks in the game, and is just flat out overkill. It's to ensure that you get killed by Explosion if you ignore the Flame Cubes, even if you stack up Fire resistance effects. So taking these out is your first priority. Due to the nerfs the elemental walls got in the Untold games, Fire Wall won't protect you against them since they'll block Kingly Fire instead.  Meteor Smash should easily dispatch the Flame Cube.  That would be Sagittarius Shot coming down. Not impressive damage, but his skills are at a really low level right now.  Softening up the Flame Cubes.  Yeah, that took care of it. Really would have liked to hit Flame Demon with that instead, but I didn't have a choice there.  Still, Chloe is making sure that we don't fall behind on damage.  And now it's back to this. I used Transform early because I really want to blow through this fight as fast as possible.  Thanks to Accumulative Resistance, Blind doesn't have much of a chance of landing right now. So I'm switching to Paralysis.  AHAHAHA, really? I didn't need the Paralysis to proc there, but it's still nice.  May as well power up Flavio.  Chloe status: Still hitting like a truck.  If you haven't taken out the Flame Cube yet, do it quickly once you see that message, unless you want to see the Game Over screen on the next turn. Also yeah, status effects can't prevent this sequence of events. (though Leg Bind can prevent Kingly Fire.)  Knight is stuck with casting Delayed Chase + Freeze Sabre until his Force builds back up.  While you don't exactly need Fire Wall to block Kingly Fire, it is the best way to do so. But if you don't have that, Fire Mists + some Fire resistant equipment may suffice. Though you should probably have everyone defend on that turn for good measure.   I'm gonna stack AOE Attack Orders on the party for a few turns. This is to deal with Dispersed Cruelty later on.  Okay Flame Demon, do your thing.   Ech. Without Transform, Knight really isn't that impressive.  Though Delayed Chase still hits plenty hard.  A reminder that a little girl is outdamaging Knight.   Kingly Fire may be Flame Demon's “big attack”, but the Explosions from the Flame Cubes are the real worry in this fight. Oh, by the way...  I damaged Flame Demon so much during her second phase, that I skipped the third phase entirely!    Now I'm breaking out Flavio's Force Boost to deal with the Flame Cubes.    The Flame Cubes are about halfway dead, meaning that Knight and Chloe can just focus on Flame Demon.   Inferno Strike is coming out this turn (assuming that Flame Demon doesn't get her turn canceled thanks to Paralysis.)  I'm using Arianna's Force Boost to restore the party's TP. Though to be honest, I really don't need Proof of Nobility in this fight. Even in Story mode, its usefulness falls off as the game goes on. (Where in Classic Mode, its never useful at all.)     This amount of TP is overkill.   I almost feel sorry for Flame Demon. She didn't really hit our party that often during this fight.  Here we go again.  Paralysis wore off, and I don't want Flavio to waste this turn using status effects that have a very small chance of landing. So I'm gonna have her shove Axcelas down Knight's throat. Unlike EOU, Axcelas are very useful in this game in case you want to refill your Force gauge fast in an emergency.  Protecting the party from Kingly Fire again.  Flavio's Force Break can easily dispatch the Flame Cubes and deal heavy damage to Flame Demon in the process.  Arianna joins in on supplying Axcelas for Knight to funnel.   The bombs have been defused.     Once again, Kingly Fire didn't touch the party.  Since Flame Demon is no longer affected by any ailments, I'm breaking out Chloe's Force Boost so she can continue running the pain train.  Bertrand joins in on the “Knight chugs Axcelas all day” party.  May as well throw out a Blind Arrow, but discounting LUC, Flavio only has a 12% chance of landing the ailment.  Thanks for the free turn.  Err, mostly. I forgot to put an Owl Earring on Arianna, not that it matters at this point.     Haha, wow. I did so much damage to Flame Demon in her 4th phase, that she only did got 1 turn off in her 5th phase before going to her 6th phase.  Gonna have Bertrand cure Arianna.  I probably didn't need to do this, but whatever.   Oh no, my back row lost their attack buff. Whatever will I do?  You got the wrong row Flame Demon.    But enough messing around. It's time to finish this.   Pictured: Playing Flame Demon like a fiddle.    Yeah, that's not gonna help at this point.    Yeah, I just had Knight guzzle Axcelas just so he could dunk on Flame Demon in style.    If you know the attack pattern of a boss, then you can dance circles around them, like I just did. Flame Demon is a warning of things to come, so if you had trouble with her, you may want to rethink your skillsets and stuff.   The moment you lower your guard, you feel a tremendous rush of power... Some strength not your own is drawing out further power from within!   Oh boy. Extend is only available during Transform, and it resets the duration of Transform back to 3 turns, essentially letting you have 5 turns of uptime with it. Noticing that you had gone still the moment the demon was defeated, the woman addresses you with no small concern.  You take your friend's inquiry to mean curiosity as to whether any change has occurred in you. You say that you have indeed gained more power, just as the mysterious voice said. With the fierce battle over and another step taken toward her goal, the woman smiles cheerfully to you. You decide to return to High Lagaard with your comrades as they happily chat amongst themselves.   Well, we're done with the 2nd Stratum now.    Onto the 3rd Stratum!     It appears to be the mysterious moving plant monster.   In the midst of your conversation, the plant seems to react, vibrating slightly in response to your voices.    It's the exact same enemy as the Yggdrasil Bud, only with a different name and model. Just kill it and take your prize.   You nod, agreeing with Flavio, and set back out on the path through the Labyrinth. Anyways, further on in the Labyri-  Your comrades persuade you to return to High Lagaard rather than press on. Fiiiine.   Araxxor fucked around with this message at 04:13 on Aug 7, 2016 |
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Voting isn't over yet, and I don't mean to disrupt it. But Ragnar wanted me to post this now so I can start playing catch up.
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I love Chloe's monotone grring.
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How the hell do you build Survivalists so they actually contribute to fights? Flavio always feels like such a load. Early game, he doesn't have enough TP to contribute to fights and late, he does less damage than Arianna. He's basically only good for putting blind on any enemy so Chloe can do fuckhueg damage to everything.
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Jun 5, 2016 01:47
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FriskyBoat posted:How the hell do you build Survivalists so they actually contribute to fights? Flavio always feels like such a load. Early game, he doesn't have enough TP to contribute to fights and late, he does less damage than Arianna. He's basically only good for putting blind on any enemy so Chloe can do fuckhueg damage to everything. I always built him to be a support rather than anything else. Tossed him some Hexer Grimoires and Curb Attack Up during the story so that he had more things to do, and usually had him set up for dodge tanking with Trick Step and using Hazy Arrow whenever he can. Didn't actually go for Chain Dance that often for him, but it and Scapegoat seems pretty decent from what I've seen of Ragnar's class showcase of them. And there's always the Swap Step option and throwing in the odd Sagittarius Shot or item when it's needed. And setting up for Chloe, like you said. Basically fast and dodgy support helps out, especially when Flavio can throw in status ailments.
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Jun 5, 2016 02:09
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FriskyBoat posted:How the hell do you build Survivalists so they actually contribute to fights? Flavio always feels like such a load. Early game, he doesn't have enough TP to contribute to fights and late, he does less damage than Arianna. He's basically only good for putting blind on any enemy so Chloe can do fuckhueg damage to everything. Hazy Arrow and Sagittarius Shot are both good tools for dealing damage. Sagittarius Shot can get an extra hit in if you start it before your Force Boost, and your Force Boost can pretty much guarantee easy Hazy Arrows if you get the aggro onto your Survivalist or you're up against an enemy with AOEs. Otherwise, I find Survivalists are more appropriately used as an offense/support hybrid, and I typically had Flavio with a Triple Charge grimoire throwing out Blind/Paralyze/Sleep Arrow or Feast. He definitely has the luck stat to make use of other status grimoires too, for when Blind/Paralyze resistances build up or if your enemy is immune to them.
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Jun 5, 2016 15:29
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Well, everyone that wanted to vote seems to have voted, so I'll close the votes. The final result for both parties is: Freyja, Asriel, Ursa, Realga, Stardust.
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Update 46: Queen of Pain Meet the final party for the main story: the same one that we started with. I forgot to record everyone's new builds. Whoops. I'll do it at the start of the next update.  Well, that met the deadline for Haute cuisine and then kicked it in its face several times over.    And that's all of the city upgrades finished.       Here's some foods. Gem Nikogori quadruples the chance of the Gas/Liberator items inflicting their ailments/binds, respectively. It takes those items from "trash" to "ridiculously good." Gas/Liberator items have 40% base infliction chances, which means quadrupling that gives them 160% base chances. Sky Chawanmushi adds 0-5 to the level of any newly-generated Grimoire. Bleh. Nozuchi Soup forces all ailments/binds on your party to wear off in 3 turns or less. This really isn't that great of an effect, since an enemy can usually seriously screw you up in those 3 or less turns.          Campaigns.  SYSTEM: You've been asked to make 50,000en through just one Advertising Plan! You were able to complete the quest with the previous advertisement! All that remains is to head to the bar and report to Cass.     The Glow Brace is a pretty terrible accessory: +20 HP, +30 TP.      These level ups aren't very exciting.    At this point, I went back into the Labyrinth on Picnic to grind up materials for Small comforts, and ran into a new enemy. Might as well just post its stats, since this battle isn't a very accurate depiction of how they work because, well, Picnic.  Nozuchi HP: 497, STR: 39, TEC: 31, VIT: 29, AGI: 34, LUC: 30 Skills:
Disable resistances: A fearsome serpent that has existed for ages, based on fossil records. Nozuchis are, at best, nuisances to parties that heavily rely on physical damage. Frail Aura does nothing against Alchemists or, y'know, anyone with access to composite damage.  Because I am on Picnic, all it took was one Thor Formula from Stardust, and everything died.   SYSTEM: You should bring these ingredients to the inn. Eventually, that happened.         The Sonic Whip is a special weapon. It has only +10 ATK, like the disabling weapons, but it has a special effect. You know how Nadia and Freyja are both really fast? It's not just because of their AGI stats: bows give +10 action speed, while whips give +5. The Sonic Whip? It gives a whopping +35 action speed bonus. Even on support classes that need Grimoires to equip whips, this thing is still pretty drat useful. I don't have a need for it right now, since Realga's plenty speedy enough with Cure and Salve innately, but I might put it on her later. Sophie could also probably use it, even though she already has a level 10 Speed Up Grimoire on her.   Again, boring level ups. Endgame and postgame level ups in EO games tend to be pretty uninteresting, since you just end up investing in passives that are nice, but don't otherwise do a ton.  The 24F quests--ignore The beautiful princess. The courageous knight: The Byeahs will make short work of this when I get around to remembering that I took it on. Nupital preparations: We'll do it later, Cass. The golden shadow: THIS is a quest I'm very interested in. We'll be tackling this one immediately...  Right after we talk to people. Man with a thick book is tied to Nupital preparations:  ...Oh, pardon me. I'm afraid I was engrossed in my book... Um, did you have any questions? Oh--you've accepted my request! Thank you very much! I think Cass told you everything, but...my father works as a guard at the Duke's Palace. Compared to my father, though, I wasn't much good at physical work, even as a child. I always preferred my books, or studying... My father hated that side of me, and he made me practice swordplay. As a guard's son, he said, I had to hone my skills... I wanted to please him. I even joined the guards and went in the forest, but... I just wasn't that good. Nowhere near my father. But I tried to listen to him. I kept on doing what I could, and studying to see if there was a way I could be useful... In my efforts, I met another scholar. She agreed to assist me, and...well, we grew quite close, and before I knew it, I fell for-- Ah, I mean--I-I'm sorry. I'm sure the situation is clear to you. A-Anyway, I intend to marry her soon. We want to move forward together, as scholars studying the paths of the stars. But when I told my father of my decision, he stormed out, and...he hasn't returned from his place on duty in the forest. I know it's a selfish request... But I would like to ask you to persuade my father for his approval. ...I can't say for sure. But I know he couldn't be as cruel to you as he is to me. If I was to go, he would just refuse me again and storm off somewhere else. He's never really listened to me, after all... My father should be on the 2nd floor, in the room to the northeast. ...One of my father's friends told me he goes there often on his patrols. I'm sorry I'm putting you in this position, but please do your best to persuade my father.I'll get on that eventually. The Gunslinger girl showed up after we turned in Adventurers' Bond.  Oh, it's you. You're the ones that helped us out, right? You remember? Fighting the bird teams on the 20th floor? Thanks a lot for your help back there. Seriously, we needed it. Uh... Ahaha... Right. About that. Kind of a funny story. After we turned in the quest, boss wanted to celebrate as a guild. The bonehead just drank, ate and partied until he collapsed. So I came as his substitute to tell you thanks from all of us. I'll give him an earful later, so just cut him some slack for now, okay? Alright, thanks again for accepting our quest! Let's both keep at it!Adventurers in matching gear, because at this point I remembered I'd have to do town dialogue as well:  Hanna has special dialogue for us now that we've finished Small comforts.          Anyway, The golden shadow. I have grand plans for this quest. This involved putting together a specialized party you'll see in a bit, and giving Sophie this level 10 Stigmata Grimoire. What is Stigmata, you might ask? You'll see. Oh boy, will you see. I also ate the Strawberry Daifuku (attack item damage doubled) food, for Stardust's benefit.   And there's the specialized party.    SYSTEM: When you agree, the guard nods in gratitude. SYSTEM: The guard looks to the west, obviously concerned for his comrades. SYSTEM: The guard lowers his head with one last meek plea. You decide to help them find their lost allies.   SYSTEM: You do not feel the dizziness described by the guard, but things could change at any moment... Still, you have no choice but to move forward if you wish to save the other guards. I'll just skip narrative stuff and be straight here: the gimmick with The golden shadow is that you will get warped back to the door if you take four steps without reversing your direction for the fourth step. That might sound stupid, so here's a basic example: Step 1) Up Step 2) Up Step 3) Up Step 4) Up That will result in us getting teleported back to the door. However, if I walk backwards on step 4 instead, I will be free to proceed.   SYSTEM: A few people in armor are sitting in the room. They appear to be the Duchy's guards...  SYSTEM: The guard looks exhausted, but he pulls himself up with a ragged breath. SYSTEM: You ask if they were the stranded scouts. The guard nods emphatically, and begins to explain. SYSTEM: With not much more to say, the guard leans on his weapon wearily, thanking you for your intervention.  SYSTEM: Rather than dissipating, the bizarre sensation is only growing thicker and more oppressive by the second...  SYSTEM: Before you have a chance to react, you hear an unearthly roar from closer than ever! SYSTEM: Something is directly in front of you... Though you cannot see, you sense its massive presence. And after a couple moments, your vision slowly starts to return...    SYSTEM: With regal, sturdy horns, a body longer and bigger than any snake, and scales of gleaming gold... A dragon stares you down! Its cold eyes focus on you, and you can feel the pressure of its focused power, unable to move beneath its gaze...  SYSTEM: Confronted with the creature of myth, the guard gibbers, losing all composure... Already exhausted, and now faced with a creature told of in legends, it makes sense that he'd be overwhelmed. You can escape with the guards to ensure their safety, or you can take your weapons in hand and challenge the dragon.   VIDEO: Boss Fight: Storm Emperor    Storm Emperor HP: 32000, STR: 77, TEC: 59, VIT: 58, AGI: 52, LUC: 53 Skills:
Disable resistances: A legendary yellow dragon who wields electricity masterfully. The Storm Emperor is one of the three elemental dragons, who have shown up in every EO game as postgame bosses. Storm Emperor is level 70 internally, meaning you're supposed to fight it when your party is anywhere from 64-70 on average. Fighting this thing without Volt Wall, or hell, just fighting it before the postgame at all is usually certain death. ...Y'know, this is the bit where I'd pretend that I didn't know what I was doing, say "oh poo poo I've made a terrible mistake," intentionally let Volt Torrent kill me, throw up a Game Over screen, and then reveal that it was all a not-very-clever ruse. Screw that. I know full well what I'm doing, and that's because I've got a very deadly weapon on my side.  And it's this beauty right here. Stigmata and Creeping Curse, that is. Not Sophie. I mean her portrait isn't bad, it's not creepy like some portraits are and... Okay, no, that train of thought cannot go anywhere good. Remember how I said you'd get to see what Stigmata does later, exactly? Now's the time. (Everyone else did standard setup.)       Stigmata, at level 10 binds all of the user's body parts if they don't have resistances or immunities. In return, it attempts to inflict every bind the user has, all at once, on one enemy. And at level 10, it has an 85% base chance--255% with Creeping Curse. She has a 10+ LUC advantage on the Storm Emperor, too, along with a level 4 Curb ATK Up and a little extra base chance from the Bind Up added effects. Even against the Storm Emperor's 25% resistances to each bind type, that's still a ~64% base chance before any of the extra bonuses are factored in. Stigmata on its own is mad stupid, but remember...  We have Ecstasy.  Ironically, Ranger is going to be contributing the least damage out of anyone here.  Oh yeah, I can demo Compression + Strawberry Daifuku + all-target Jars now. If you like seeing big numbers in action, please watch the video.  I'll have Sophie purge off her self-inflicted binds so she can use Black Mist next turn.   Holy gently caress.   If that doesn't seem as impressive, bear in mind that Stardust doesn't have the effect of a level 20 Volt Prelude like Freyja does, and Analysis only gives a 65% damage bonus instead of the 100% that Trance does. Also, she requires a fraction of the setup that Ecstasy does--just one turn for Compression, instead of potentially multiple to fully bind the enemy. It's also not reliant on the binds not wearing off.    Nope!    Told you Ranger wouldn't be doing much.  gently caress THIS THING. gently caress THIS STUPID loving CORE. THIS GODDAMN PIECE OF poo poo IS A loving PAIN IN THE-- Okay, okay, that was over-the-top, yes. I'll save the reasoning for why the Yellow Heart is a gigantic pain when we fight the Storm Emperor for real in the postgame, but let it be known that the Dragon Hearts are, in my opinion, the ultimate example of why EO2U's summon-focused bosses are loving terrible.  Everyone else will just repeat their previous actions, except for Sophie, who'll force the binds to last one more turn.   For you fans of percentages, Freyja has now chopped off over 33% of the Storm Emperor's HP in two turns. And we're well over 10 levels below where you should be when fighting this thing.  Stardust's damage with Volt Prelude. I told you Compression + Strawberry Daifuku was broken!   Ahaha, eat poo poo, you're not going anywhere. If you fight the Storm Emperor during The golden shadow, from turn 3 on, it will try to escape during the turn, and at the very end of the turn. That last one is a bit of a dick move, since that check is performed after the ailments/binds wearing off check is done, meaning the Storm Emperor could fail to escape during the turn itself, but then flee at the end.    The Yellow Heart's only action is to cast Resonant Thunder at the end of the turn, which deals scaling TEC-based damage of the same element as the dragon. I'll explain precisely why this is lovely when the postgame rolls around.     This is gonna feel so good.    I did say that Stigmata and Ecstasy was insanely broken, didn't I? In fact, it's actually a really popular cheese strat for just breaking the entire game. I'm not kidding when I say you can go from late 2nd Stratum (the first point where you could maybe get a lv10 Stigmata Grimoire on a Hexer) through all of the postgame (sans superboss) with it--I should know, because I did exactly that. I am not going to be using it after this fight, I just wanted to demonstrate it on what was intended to be a very quick game over.  SYSTEM: Who could have foreseen this? It can only be the fruit of your daily training regimen! The dragon soars into the sky and disappears elsewhere in the Labyrinth. Along with its departure, the forest also begins to return to its unwarped form. The danger has now passed. You talk to the guard about what just happened.  SYSTEM: The guard finally relaxes, and sinks to the floor with a sigh of relief. You can hear the footsteps of the guard corps coming from the north of the room. SYSTEM: The guard thanks you fervently before rushing back to the safety of his comrades. This marks the end of this quest! All that remains is to return to the bar and report to Cass. You pack away the spoils of war from your clash with the dragon, and set out once again.  Killing the Storm Emperor during The golden shadow gives you 100k en. I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be an extra reward if you tackled this thing a lot later on (like, in the middle of the postgame, when you'd normally fight the Storm Emperor).     That's all of the 5th Stratum recipe books now. Next time: we actually explore 24F with the new party, instead of getting distracted with snapping the game in half. Rea fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Jun 7, 2016 |
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I was sad to see my character not make it to the final party.quote:...But then again, I didn't think I'd ever see that! Holy poo poo, Hexers, I didn't even know that was possible 
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Jun 7, 2016 09:40
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You beat the Storm Emperor. On Expert. While underlevelled. In four turns. I sincerely wonder if we're even playing the same game sometimes.
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Jun 7, 2016 10:15
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I knew there was some way to cheese him early when I did that quest, I just wasn't sure how. By God, it is beautiful. They should have sent a poet.
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Jun 7, 2016 11:34
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gently caress the elemental dragons in this game. gently caress their core, gently caress their breath, gently caress the class design. In EO2, the elemental dragons needed a protector, because the breaths were not survivable without the correspondent anti-X wall. In EO2U, you'd think, "oh, I'll just slap a level 10 grimoire on my support" if you're not using a protector. gently caress you, you need two of those. At least in 3 you had two classes that could use anti-elemental skills (Zodiacs had the X prophecy skills) and subclassing meant you were always a rest away from access to those skills. In 4, stacking elemental resistance up to survivability was possible. gently caress the dragon design in 2U.
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