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I was just learned about there are niggers and there and blacks. God dammit. gently caress
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Bullfrog posted:Unemployment among trans Americans is double that of other Americans, and yet this is somehow an "easy issue" that everyone already agrees on. Protecting the rights of minority groups *is* an issue of economic justice. If this was addressed at me, I agree with you. Moreover, I kinda suspect that Americans' tendency to dehumanize minorities is itself an obstacle to passing broad economic reforms (because, often, it would benefit them the most) so I don't imagine that it "doesn't affect me" -- transphobia, racism, sexism, etc. are all barriers to the solidarity required for my pet movement to succeed.
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:
Where's the link to the article?
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Bi now gay later please find me a full time job that isn't this one. I'm not going to make it until August goonspeed  Shageletic posted:Where's the link to the article? Ezra didn't retweet the link only the picture
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I was just learned about there are niggers and there and blacks. God dammit. gently caress Chris Rock quit doing that bit because it was coopted for evil.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:09
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:goonspeed Maybe I can find it. What's the Vox article url then. EDIT: Oh I'm a dummy, its his isn't it?
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Shageletic posted:Maybe I can find it. What's the Vox article url then. idk, he didn't link it all. just posted the picture
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Shageletic posted:Where's the link to the article? BI NOW GAY LATER posted:goonspeed Here it is.
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zoux posted:Chris Rock quit doing that bit because it was coopted for evil. I know. I used to be pretty casually and actually somwhat, no, gently caress it I was racist at one point. I've moved past that thanks in large parts to who I've met and interacted with at college. The ignorance that I perpetuated is still there and makes my home state look awful. I wish there was something I could do.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I know. I used to be pretty casually and actually somwhat, no, gently caress it I was racist at one point. I've moved past that thanks in large parts to who I've met and interacted with at college. Go forth and be racist no more.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:15
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Bullfrog posted:Unemployment among trans Americans is double that of other Americans, and yet this is somehow an "easy issue" that's totally solved and that everyone already agrees on Uh, I get that this is somewhat different because it's very possible these people were killed BECAUSE they were trans, but the murder rate for the US is 6.2 per 100k. If trans persons are .5% of the population (using a reasonable estimate from the data I'd seen), you'd expect them to be victims at about .031 per 100k. Since the US population is ~318.9 million, you'd expect about 99 trans persons to be murdered a year just due to the background murder rate. Like, I get that trans murder might be happening more often due to conditions across the US, but it's still a rare event, and I'm not sure talking about "all time high" is super meaningful. edit: And from the article - quote:Ahead of this meeting, HRC released its report finding that its count of transgender homicide victims is almost double what it was in 2014, likely on account of better tracking.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I know. I used to be pretty casually and actually somwhat, no, gently caress it I was racist at one point. I've moved past that thanks in large parts to who I've met and interacted with at college. There is, and I'll bet you're already doing it to a degree. Non-racist white people have the advantage that racist white people don't automatically reject everything they say out of hand. The fact that racists feel comfortable enough around you to spew their racism gives you a foot in the door. You can disagree, gently and smilingly, and they'll at the very least take it as your real opinion, not something you made up because you have an axe to grind as a minority. You can't save the world but you can erode the "everybody agrees with me, they're just too afraid to say it" shell these people keep their opinions in.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:If this was addressed at me, I agree with you. Moreover, I kinda suspect that Americans' tendency to dehumanize minorities is itself an obstacle to passing broad economic reforms (because, often, it would benefit them the most) so I don't imagine that it "doesn't affect me" -- transphobia, racism, sexism, etc. are all barriers to the solidarity required for my pet movement to succeed. More so addressing this Business Gorillas posted:Sorry if this offends you but I literally don't give a single poo poo who pisses where so long as they have proper bathroom etiquette and learn the social norms for urinal use Reeks of thought along the lines of "I don't see race!", ignoring the fact that the conflict isn't merely about the bathroom. The reason these issues are important isn't that they're simply offensive or mildly inconveniencing to trans people. Legal discrimination, like the bill in NC is a reflection and perpetuation of attitudes that cause real harm. It's not just that people need to "stop caring as much". We can see that those attitudes directly lead to economic harm (the high unemployment rate among trans americans, or the fact that trans people can still be denied housing for their gender identity) and death (the high murder rate of trans individuals). It isn't a contest to see who can loudly proclaim they care the least about something. When someone, ESPECIALLY a government entity pushes against a vulnerable group, you need to push back. It's both the just and practical thing to do in service of a fair and equitable society. Business Gorillas posted:I'm saying it's really easy for a hedge fund manager to pat themselves on the back for being progressive and forward thinking because they Facebook liked an interview with that trans woman from Orange is the New Black. 1. You can't read minds. You can't simply assume they're doing it to get some imaginary liberal points. Surprise, people have opinions because they legitimately care about things! 2. Why would it even matter? Doing the right thing for the "wrong reasons" is still doing the right thing. Hopefully, their opinions are backed up with their daily behavior and actions though.
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DACK FAYDEN posted:The Huey P. Newton Gun Club was great, and I'm sure we'll all agree, so what's the problem? Doctor Butts posted:Oh man what a good point, thanks for sharing. This totally explains why pro-gun advocates were calling for teachers to be armed or dedicated police or security roam the hallways with guns.
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I'm pretty sure the Huey P Newton gun club general membership would describe American culture as containing elements of a sick culture that needs to be crushed.
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Jun 2, 2016 19:39
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Dead Reckoning posted:didn't affect them personally You don't say.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I know. I used to be pretty casually and actually somwhat, no, gently caress it I was racist at one point. I've moved past that thanks in large parts to who I've met and interacted with at college. I find it more concerning that you needed intensive college education to "truly understand" your racism. You could have chosen to not be an open racist, but apparently that is asking too much. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Evil Fluffy posted:The dumb thing is that letting Obama cut Social Security would've probably made him easier to beat because how the gently caress could he claim to be any less than center-right if he guts social programs? The FEC is mandated to always have 3 Dems and 3 Republicans. Although, technically the President appoints all the members, but the Senate leadership of the other party gets to put some names up and the President only rejects them in extreme circumstances. The FCC, SEC, etc would all start stacking with Dem appointees though.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:There is, and I'll bet you're already doing it to a degree. Non-racist white people have the advantage that racist white people don't automatically reject everything they say out of hand. The fact that racists feel comfortable enough around you to spew their racism gives you a foot in the door. You can disagree, gently and smilingly, and they'll at the very least take it as your real opinion, not something you made up because you have an axe to grind as a minority. This is real good advice. Once you plant that seed of what was wrong, you can work it little by little and hope it blooms into a something good.
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fits my needs posted:I find it more concerning that you needed intensive college education to "truly understand" your racism. You could have chosen to not be an open racist, but apparently that is asking too much. It is probably for the best to not start an ideological purity test for people.
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RuanGacho posted:It is probably for the best to not start an ideological purity test for people. Look at the guy who's never felt the swelling ecstasy of righteous indignation. https://twitter.com/TWCNewsAustin/status/738444116296491008 Oh wouldn't it be grand if this was something.
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fits my needs posted:I find it more concerning that you needed intensive college education to "truly understand" your racism. You could have chosen to not be an open racist, but apparently that is asking too much. Oh, shut up. A person leaving their awful views behind is to be celebrated, you're not doing anything other than congratulating yourself.
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fits my needs posted:I find it more concerning that you needed intensive college education to "truly understand" your racism. You could have chosen to not be an open racist, but apparently that is asking too much. I mean, yeah I hosed up. I was never let's go to a klan rally and lynch some dudes racist but more like a let's tell jokes at the expense of (insert minority group here), and using slurs of those groups as insults. Once in college I realized that wasn't really accepted in the world. I met people who shattered the views I had. The biggest thing is I decided I was tired of carrying around hate and anger when there was no reason to. It's much easier to live just taking people as they are and judging on individual merits. Arrgytehpirate fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jun 2, 2016 |
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zoux posted:Look at the guy who's never felt the swelling ecstasy of righteous indignation. I would be deeply amused if Trump somehow managed to destroy Abbot purely through collateral damage but I won't hold my breath.
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fits my needs posted:I find it more concerning that you needed intensive college education to "truly understand" your racism. You could have chosen to not be an open racist, but apparently that is asking too much. Wait, are we nitpicking the process somebody went through to stop being racist?
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fits my needs posted:I find it more concerning that you needed intensive college education to "truly understand" your racism. You could have chosen to not be an open racist, but apparently that is asking too much. Look at this Grand Inquisitor calling out the impure. People tend to require interaction and perspective to change held beliefs. Shockingly, college is a good place to do so, as you meet people outside of your terrible, racist bubble.
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Hillary's live on the tv kicking the poo poo out of Donald, at least better than I expected
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sean10mm posted:Wait, are we nitpicking the process somebody went through to stop being racist? If we admit that racism, or not-racism, is something learned, rather than an inherent quality, why - then we'd have to admit that we're a product of our circumstances, and that we ourselves could have been racist but from our life experiences! Shame on you for suggesting that "not being racist" isn't evidence of his being innately a good person who does the things good people do.
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sean10mm posted:Wait, are we nitpicking the process somebody went through to stop being racist?
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When I was but a lad of three I carefully considered two options, being racist and not being racist. I, being a good person, chose to not be racist, unlike those of lesser moral fiber whose parents informed their early beliefs.
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Aliquid posted:Hillary's live on the tv kicking the poo poo out of Donald, at least better than I expected Yeah, I dunno how much of a policy speech this is.
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Tiny Brontosaurus posted:There is, and I'll bet you're already doing it to a degree. Non-racist white people have the advantage that racist white people don't automatically reject everything they say out of hand. The fact that racists feel comfortable enough around you to spew their racism gives you a foot in the door. You can disagree, gently and smilingly, and they'll at the very least take it as your real opinion, not something you made up because you have an axe to grind as a minority. You scare me when you're entirely right. I'd also add "If you have kids, try to make them better than yourself," on issues of social justice.
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Im assuming nothing quotable yet and Hillary is just mashing down on the "Trump gaffe" button to see what comes out in an initial push.
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Ken Starr has officially resigned from Baylor. In the end what did him in, of all the things it possibly could've been, was doing everything he could to not investigate sexual misconduct
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zoux posted:Yeah, I dunno how much of a policy speech this is. If she counters his nonsense with policy he'll just say, "That's stupid, she's stupid. I'll do it better and we'll all get hookers and blackjack!" , calling Trump a piece of poo poo as much as possible might be more effective.
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MariusLecter posted:You don't say.
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Dead Reckoning posted:lives of others Go on. 
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Trump's response to anything Clinton says until the California primary ends should be; "Why is Hillary talking as though she's actually sealed her nomination like I have, Bernie still has a chance"
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MariusLecter posted:If she counters his nonsense with policy he'll just say, "That's stupid, she's stupid. I'll do it better and we'll all get hookers and blackjack!" , calling Trump a piece of poo poo as much as possible might be more effective. Well it's policy now, I guess she was just hyping us up.
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