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Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

zoux posted:

Lol, look he changed it from cars so we couldn't point out that it's much much harder to be a licensed driver than to get a gun.
Eh, more like "car analogies are so done to death we made a smiley." Also, I'd be in favor of guns being regulated like cars. Own whatever I like as long as I keep it on private property, and take most things on public streets with a shall-issue permit with 50 state reciprocity? Yes please.

Trabisnikof posted:

Which is why we should have to fight to defend the right to own and operate rocket propelled grenades!
If you have the facilities to safely store large quantities of high explosive, and enough land to shoot off rocket launchers without bothering the neighbors, and a very understanding local bomb squad to deal with duds, I don't see why you shouldn't be allowed.


Doctor Butts posted:

It's true: everyone who ever proposed any sort of gun control law just doesn't like guns and doesn't think anyone deserves them.
I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it was more or less the entire substance of the argument I was responding to.

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BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Trump doesn't think he's doing anything wrong though, he's created an echo chamber for his campaign staff and he's reveling in it. In his deluded mind his stupid tweets about "Crooked Hillary" put her back in her place. Undoubtedly the people around him are fluffing him up going "you've done it again Don!"

The last time Trump tried to be "Presidential" was when he held that press conference after some primary win where he displayed his unbelievable ignorance regarding foreign policy.

No one calls him Don. Mr Trump.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

duz posted:

Yeah, legalizing all forms of home/micro brewing is truly Carter's legacy for us (cause we're alcoholics).

That and bringing white baptists into the political mainstream. . .

Doctor Butts
May 21, 2002

Dead Reckoning posted:

I don't think that's necessarily the case, but it was more or less the entire substance of the argument I was responding to.

I noticed.

Bunleigh
Jun 6, 2005

by exmarx
Does Paul Ryan have any actual political skills at all? He comes off as basically a high school libertarian who never outgrew his childish ideas on how the world works. He managed to maneuver himself into the exact same lovely spot Boehner spent 5 miserable years in, without securing any kind of leverage for himself at all. Now he seems to have done the same with Trump. He held out for a random amount of time and then endorsed the guy with seemingly nothing to show for it. Hell of a player, that Paul Ryan.

Rhesus Pieces
Jun 27, 2005

nachos posted:

calling a judge mexican is toning it down?

It was worse than that actually.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/738520833547767809

He argued that a judge born in Indiana of Mexican parentage presiding over his case is a conflict of interest because he wants to build the wall.

Shbobdb
Dec 16, 2010

by Reene

Bunleigh posted:

Does Paul Ryan have any actual political skills at all? He comes off as basically a high school libertarian who never outgrew his childish ideas on how the world works. He managed to maneuver himself into the exact same lovely spot Boehner spent 5 miserable years in, without securing any kind of leverage for himself at all. Now he seems to have done the same with Trump. He held out for a random amount of time and then endorsed the guy with seemingly nothing to show for it. Hell of a player, that Paul Ryan.

He's an empty suit with some powerful sugar daddies.

He was saying "gently caress me daddy" well before it was a meme.

sexy fucking muskrat
Aug 22, 2010

by exmarx

Bunleigh posted:

Does Paul Ryan have any actual political skills at all? He comes off as basically a high school libertarian who never outgrew his childish ideas on how the world works. He managed to maneuver himself into the exact same lovely spot Boehner spent 5 miserable years in, without securing any kind of leverage for himself at all. Now he seems to have done the same with Trump. He held out for a random amount of time and then endorsed the guy with seemingly nothing to show for it. Hell of a player, that Paul Ryan.

Well, he seems to have the ability to convince people that he's a Very Serious Policy Guy, that's something right?

Shimrra Jamaane
Aug 10, 2007

Obscure to all except those well-versed in Yuuzhan Vong lore.

Rhesus Pieces posted:

It was worse than that actually.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/738520833547767809

He argued that a judge born in Indiana of Mexican parentage presiding over his case is a conflict of interest because he wants to build the wall.

That pivot toward the center clearly coming any day now...

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:

I like listening to NPR during my commute.

Sometimes I listen to NPR and I hear something that sets the slow cogs of my mind in a new direction. Recently there have been a few stories about parents with transgender kids (kids as in under 10). These positive stories show how parents and other kids can accept a transgender child. I never considered the idea of transgender children, or that it is possible to be transgender at such a young age. Then again, it was not possible to be a transgender child during previous decades. And since gender identify doesn't correspond with sexual orientation, maybe gender identity is just a consequence of social expectations. Man, gently caress gender identies. Unisex everything. I want to wear skirts drat it. loving pants sucks in this hot and humid Texas weather.

Then I arrive at work.

they make pants that you are able to wear in hot weather. they are called shorts.

there's no amount of trans rights that will ever make your average goon look good in a skirt

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




duz posted:

Carter made home brewery legal, so I'd like to think he did as well. Either way, another reason he's so underrated.

why was home brewing banned to begin with?

beer lobby megabucks?

Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


I thought that interview was before Hillary's speech. I do not know if his "handlers" will try harder to get him to tone it down (if we see Manafort step down, then we know Trump wants nothing to do with that) but his rally tonight showed that he has no intention of toning anything down especially when he gets angry.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

DOOP posted:

why was home brewing banned to begin with?

beer lobby megabucks?

Prohibition.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

ISIS will not simply suffer a 'crushing defeat' nor will it be a positive topic of discussion for Clinton.

Like nazis and emperor worship, isil is an idea. An idea which we can defeat only by repeating the successes of policy the last time we had to kill inappropriate ideas. We are at war, and its goddamn time our nation begins to act like it. We need more bombs and less smart bombs--- an idea has never been defeated by smart bombing, only by enough dumb bombing to make the holders of the idea know that continued adherence to it means death.

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Rhesus Pieces posted:

It was worse than that actually.

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/738520833547767809

He argued that a judge born in Indiana of Mexican parentage presiding over his case is a conflict of interest because he wants to build the wall.

Is it not a conflict of interest?

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

My Imaginary GF posted:

Is it not a conflict of interest?

What would be the conflict of interest?

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

After this week, with the OT rules, the Verizon settlement? Tom Perez

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/436112/tom-perez-leftist-radical-hillary-clinton-vp-shortlist

You weren't kidding, he's the new VP hotness.

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Crain posted:

What would be the conflict of interest?
You don't post here often, so, to do you a solid and save you a lot of time: MIGF is an advocate for genocide, it's best not to talk to him.

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Kalman posted:

Prohibition.

checks out

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Sir Tonk posted:

The direct connections to the NOI are problematic, much like the NBPP, but yes they're hilarious and very good at scaring white people.

The NOI is quite possibly my favorite bizarre religious sect in the US. They do a ton of good work, their history is nuts, their theology is considerably beyond nuts (even with Farrakhan's liberal revisionism :argh:), and they probably get a lot of their funding from security contracting that, uh, may or may not be a borderline protection racket.

I'm not entirely sure I'm in favor, but they're an extremely interesting group.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
Well that and they assassinated Malcolm X.

Boon
Jun 21, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Business Gorillas posted:

they make pants that you are able to wear in hot weather. they are called shorts.

Ah yes, the most casual of business casual attire. The short pants, or just shorts for short.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
I would straight up campaign for Clinton if she picked Tom Perez as VP.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Never heard of him before, shamefully, but goddamn he would be a good choice

Chokes McGee
Aug 7, 2008

This is Urotsuki.

Combed Thunderclap posted:

Prester John has spoken to this already but he seems like a clinical case study of Narcissistic Personality Disorder and he's completely high on his own supply of attention and self-validation.

I have a family member with NPD and realization that they're not quite there happens slowly but surely every time.

Also, if a narcissist starts a cult as a scam, they almost invariably end up believing the lies they're peddling after it's successful.

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.
as a reminder about paul ryan being a total loving fraud

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMcMbrrWIrE

BioThermo
Feb 18, 2014

Arrgytehpirate posted:

Is it too early to start thinking about who HRC will pick for VP?
Moderate, boring, will not get out the vote. Was DNC chair during the 2010 midterm where the Dems got crushed. A loser.

quote:

Julien Castro
Young, polished, a rising star, but still hasn't held positions of high consequence. Also being attacked from the left for selling too many distressed mortgages to Wall St.

quote:

Sherrod Brown
Would be removing one of the most liberal senators from office, with a replacement to be chosen by John Kasich, in an election where the Democrats could conceivably retake the senate.

quote:

Deval Patrick
Raised sales tax as Massachusetts governor, meaning he both pisses off the left via shifting tax burden on the poor, and the right via raising taxes at all. Currently working for Bain Capital.

quote:

Tom Perez
The best pick.

Aside from virtually no experience in foreign policy or in campaigning, or having a high national profile (three traits Hillary has plenty of), Perez checks off everything Hillary could want in a VP. Hillary likes him, Obama likes him, he has enough liberal credibility from his work as a civil rights lawyer and as secretary of labor to draw in the Sanders/Warren wing of the party without alienating the establishment, he's Dominican, fluent in spanish, and he has distance from Wall St. In the last 3 weeks he's made noise both with the bump to OT pay for salaried workers and the settlement of the Verizon strike, and it's contributing to buzz that he might be able to get out the vote for Hillary on the ticket.

A pump piece, via Politico: Top Democrats turn to Perez as sleeper VP

quote:

The idea of Perez making the leap to vice president is, on the face of it, inconceivable: Aside from his limited experience in elected office, it’s not as though Clinton would need him to win Maryland or the couldn’t-be-more-liberal D.C. suburb of Takoma Park, where he lives.

Except that Perez has more credibility with committed progressives — who measure politicians by their battle scars — than almost anyone else around. The unions love him so much that they campaigned against his nomination to replace Eric Holder as attorney general in late 2014 because they didn’t want to lose him at the Labor Department.

He’s spent years working at the Justice Department on voting rights, civil rights and police misconduct, right in the center of issues that have exploded among African-Americans and progressive Democrats. He’s adored in the White House, where he’s been a main player in crafting the Obama second-term domestic agenda, and he’s got a knack for a fiery stump speech.

quote:

“Our experience is that Tom knows working families in his bones. You don’t have to do a lot of explaining to him when you’re talking to him, and he just knows how to act,” said Service Employees International Union President Mary Kay Henry, who declined to comment on the speculation but called Perez “one of the finest labor secretaries since Frances Perkins,” referring to the fourth labor secretary, who served under President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

To Perez’s fans, he’s the under-the-radar choice who checks every box Clinton’s going to need if she is the nominee: progressives, unions, African-Americans, Obama loyalists, Latinos. Even some senior Democrats who think the idea is a long shot acknowledge it’s a unique marriage of message and moment.

quote:

Clinton, who hasn’t spent much time with any of the people being talked about as prospective running mates (the selection process is way, way down the road, people familiar with the matter say), has taken a liking to Perez and spent a fair amount of time with him, beginning with a long phone conversation wonking out on economic development and other progressive policy measures when she called to ask for his endorsement.

“I think I can do more service to you as a progressive validator than as a Latino validator,” he said, according to people who’ve recounted the conversation.

Perez had already been talking with the Clinton campaign for months, in touch with campaign chairman John Podesta, communications director Jennifer Palmieri, and senior advisers Jake Sullivan and Maya Harris as they developed the former secretary of state’s policies on voting rights, apprenticeships and police misconduct.

After Perez endorsed Clinton in Iowa, the two traveled together for a few days. At the second town hall they did together, Clinton kept turning questions over to him: “Tom, why don’t you take that one?” she’d say.

Ahead of the Nevada caucuses, the Clinton campaign had Perez camped out in the Silver State for a week: He’s the one it sent to a long meeting with the Culinary Workers Union, which people involved credit with helping keep the union neutral, and he stood with Bill Clinton at the back of the house at casinos, talking with workers in Spanish.

People involved expect Perez’s next stop will be in Arizona. It’s not just that there are a lot of Latinos there. That’s also the home turf of Sheriff Joe Arpaio, who these days is a big Donald Trump backer. Five years ago, Arpaio was on the losing end of the SB 1070 immigration bill lawsuit that Perez spearheaded when he was running the DOJ’S Civil Rights Division during Obama’s first term.

More from The Guardian:
'Tom Perez has guts': US labor secretary being eyed as Clinton's running mate


quote:

With two-thirds of a year left until the new president is sworn in, Perez still has an intimidating list of unfinished business – paid leave, auto-enrolling US workers into 401K or other pension programs and a higher minimum wage among others– that he’d like to accomplish. As the election nears, he may have even more on his plate: Perez is said to be a potential vice-presidential pick.

He is clearly unafraid of a challenge. Big business has come out swinging against his changes to paid leave. Perez is unfazed. “We are the only industrialized nation on the planet that does not have some form of paid leave. We are the only industrialized nation where paid leave is a partisan issue,” Perez said.

“I got in trouble recently because I said: ‘The United States and Papua New Guinea are the only nations on the planet that do not have some form of paid leave.’ Someone approached me after and said: ‘Hey, I am from Papua New Guinea and we have been taking an initiative. Stop dissing New Guinea.’ So I want to note my own error and apologize for dissing New Guinea. We are alone as a nation.”

quote:

“Lot of legislators don’t understand what they have to do and how the system works best. He was able to get things done because he was able to work with people,” he said. “He understood what they were looking for, what their issues might have been regarding specific pieces of legislation. And he listened.”

Mary Kay Henry, president of the SEIU – one of the largest labor unions in the US – enjoys working with Perez because “he gets us”.

“You don’t have to explain struggles that people have. He is often telling me stories of people he has just met – about how they are stitching together two or three jobs to make ends meet and that we have to stop it. What are we going to do together to get things right? He has really been a privilege to work with.”
A man of the people.

quote:

“People in this country are resilient. I’ve met so many folks who got kicked to the side of the road in the Great Recession and they’ve rebounded. They inspire me,” he said. “I also meet people who are trying their hardest and are working a full-time job and they are getting their food at a food pantry. I’ve met a woman in Detroit a few months ago – she joined the Fight for $15 movement, mother of three. The night before I met her, she slept in her car with her three kids. That’s not right. We can do better as a nation.”

Just days after his visit to Brooklyn, the Department of Labor released its April jobs report noting that the US economy added just 160,000 jobs, about 40,000 fewer than expected.

“It’s another solid report,” Perez told the Guardian that afternoon, pointing out that the number of long-term unemployed has been dropping amid optimism about the US job market. “The percentage of long-term unemployed is the lowest in seven years.”

With the unemployment rate reaching 5% – down from 10% in October 2009 – there are fewer workers on the market and employers are going to have to hire workers who “might have a 12-month hole on their résumé”.

“I’ve met these folks. They have incredible talent,” said Perez. “Their only mistake – if you want to call it a mistake – is that they were at a wrong place at a wrong time during the Great Recession.”

quote:

The past few months have also seen speculation that Perez might end up as Hillary Clinton’s running mate. Perez – who has at times joined Clinton on the campaign trail – insists he is focused on his day job.

“Every engagement that I have had with him, he knows the number of days left in the president’s term,” said Henry. “The thing I admire in him is that even though speculation is happening, he remains laser-focused on trying to implement the fair pay and safe workplaces executive orders that we worked for six years to come to light. He is completely indefatigable on making sure that anything on his plate gets his full attention before he ends the term.”

Finally, have the National Review melting down over the idea of a Perez VP pick: Tom Perez: The Leftist Radical Who Could Be Hillary Clinton’s Running Mate

quote:

Perez’s liberal credentials are as impeccable as they come. Mother Jones called him “one of the administration’s most stalwart progressives.” Conservative policy experts who have followed his work in the Justice and Labor Departments consider him perhaps the Obama administration’s most radical and relentless ideologue. Iain Murray, the Competitive Enterprise Institute’s vice president of strategy, calls Perez “possibly the most dangerous person in the administration right now.” “His rewriting of U.S. labor law is probably the most fundamental attack on the free-enterprise system going on at present,” Murray says. “If he has his way, we won’t just revert to the 1930s. We’ll do things that even Franklin Roosevelt couldn’t do, like eliminate vast numbers of independent-contractor jobs and unionize those that remain.”

Truly, the D&Dest candidate.

also:

Hollismason posted:

I would straight up campaign for Clinton if she picked Tom Perez as VP.

Xanderkish
Aug 10, 2011

Hello!

Boon posted:

Ah yes, the most casual of business casual attire. The short pants, or just shorts for short.

Sometimes I like to put a little tie on them and call them my business shorts :downs:

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.
I like Tom Perez, but its kind of a sleeper pick that doesn't get a lot of people excited name wise.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

I like Tom Perez, but its kind of a sleeper pick that doesn't get a lot of people excited name wise.

Not when it's initially floated out, just because nobody has heard of him, but I think on the fence Bernie people will adore him, especially since he'd likely come with a seal of approval from him and Warren

As far as excitement goes, pretty much none of the likely picks will get people excited immediately, except Warren who is absolutely not going to be plucked out of the Senate and into a ceremonial role

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo

BioThermo posted:

Iain Murray, the Competitive Enterprise Institute’s vice president of strategy, calls Perez “possibly the most dangerous person in the administration right now.” “His rewriting of U.S. labor law is probably the most fundamental attack on the free-enterprise system going on at present,” Murray says. “If he has his way, we won’t just revert to the 1930s. We’ll do things that even Franklin Roosevelt couldn’t do, like eliminate vast numbers of independent-contractor jobs and unionize those that remain.”

don't stop i'm almost there

BI NOW GAY LATER
Jan 17, 2008

So people stop asking, the "Bi" in my username is a reference to my love for the two greatest collegiate sports programs in the world, the Virginia Tech Hokies and the Marshall Thundering Herd.

Epic High Five posted:

Not when it's initially floated out, just because nobody has heard of him, but I think on the fence Bernie people will adore him, especially since he'd likely come with a seal of approval from him and Warren

As far as excitement goes, pretty much none of the likely picks will get people excited immediately, except Warren who is absolutely not going to be plucked out of the Senate and into a ceremonial role

That's fair I suppose. I mean, I am all aboard the Tom Perez train.

WhiskeyJuvenile
Feb 15, 2002

by Nyc_Tattoo
hillary and bernie should both drop out and endorse tom perez for president tbqh

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

BI NOW GAY LATER posted:

I like Tom Perez, but its kind of a sleeper pick that doesn't get a lot of people excited name wise.

It would probably help with the whiny leftists that are butthurt about Sanders losing.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

hillary and bernie should both drop out and endorse tom perez for president tbqh

not emptyquoting

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Tom Perez is amazing what I am saying.

BetterToRuleInHell
Jul 2, 2007

Touch my mask top
Get the chop chop
Remember when everyone flipped their poo poo when a Trump supporter punched a guy in the back of the head? He didn't have poo poo on these guys:

quote:

Protesters outside a Donald Trump rally in San Jose tonight harassed and attacked Trump supporters, and one of the rallygoers ended up bloodied.

(Lots of videos posted)

Anti-Trump protestors, because violence is only bad when the people we don't like do it!

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Here's a video of Tom Perez speaking he's pretty passionate guy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byV_O_6C0gU

Here's a crazy long video of him speaking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-vB301b-lY


He's really friendly has a great personality.

Hollismason fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Jun 3, 2016

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

BioThermo posted:

Moderate, boring, will not get out the vote. Was DNC chair during the 2010 midterm where the Dems got crushed. A loser.

Young, polished, a rising star, but still hasn't held positions of high consequence. Also being attacked from the left for selling too many distressed mortgages to Wall St.

Would be removing one of the most liberal senators from office, with a replacement to be chosen by John Kasich, in an election where the Democrats could conceivably retake the senate.

Raised sales tax as Massachusetts governor, meaning he both pisses off the left via shifting tax burden on the poor, and the right via raising taxes at all. Currently working for Bain Capital.

The best pick.

Aside from virtually no experience in foreign policy or in campaigning, or having a high national profile (three traits Hillary has plenty of), Perez checks off everything Hillary could want in a VP. Hillary likes him, Obama likes him, he has enough liberal credibility from his work as a civil rights lawyer and as secretary of labor to draw in the Sanders/Warren wing of the party without alienating the establishment, he's Dominican, fluent in spanish, and he has distance from Wall St. In the last 3 weeks he's made noise both with the bump to OT pay for salaried workers and the settlement of the Verizon strike, and it's contributing to buzz that he might be able to get out the vote for Hillary on the ticket.

A pump piece, via Politico: Top Democrats turn to Perez as sleeper VP




More from The Guardian:
'Tom Perez has guts': US labor secretary being eyed as Clinton's running mate



A man of the people.



Finally, have the National Review melting down over the idea of a Perez VP pick: Tom Perez: The Leftist Radical Who Could Be Hillary Clinton’s Running Mate


Truly, the D&Dest candidate.

also:

It'd own if she picked him but I think she's going to go with the 'safe' Castro nod. She'll definitely be keeping him around though.

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A Man With A Plan
Mar 29, 2010
Fallen Rib

BetterToRuleInHell posted:

Remember when everyone flipped their poo poo when a Trump supporter punched a guy in the back of the head? He didn't have poo poo on these guys:


Anti-Trump protestors, because violence is only bad when the people we don't like do it!

Hey most of the time nonviolence is the answer but sometimes the fash need a good bashing, you know?

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