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El Grillo
Jan 3, 2008
Fun Shoe

Zaphod42 posted:

Obduction is almost out, release date has slipped to July 26 but its looking very promising. Launching on PC, Mac and Oculus.

Probably the closest we'll get to a AAA VR title for awhile.
Looking forward to seeing the previews of this. Though it seems like it should really be a roomscale +Touch thing a la The Gallery.
Also Edge of Nowhere on Monday. There's a very spoiler-heavy launch trailer from yesterday in youtube. Looks loving cool, and loving freaky.

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w00tazn
Dec 25, 2004
I don't say w00t in real life

Nalin posted:

The "Unlimited Detail" engine WAS Euclideon. They've just re-branded it for VR.

Every year this guy posts a new video and every year it looks the same as ever and not practical at all.
The only thing that this "engine" is good for is allowing for rapid streaming of point cloud data, so you get "infinite detail" because it loads a static image very fast. (it's totally raytracing + voxels)

Basically it'd be cool for viewing photogrametry or lidar or project tango data at like 10 frames per second with no real time lighting or animation.

Unless they can get this going at 90 FPS or like 45 FPS doubled this will be puke city in VR.

Edit:
Oh this video has "animated point cloud data" now. Still runs and looks like poo poo.

Edit 2: why would anyone think that HOLOVERSE would beat out virtual / mixed reality? This center wont even support 360 views.

w00tazn fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Jun 3, 2016

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Also, what the hell was his "holo room" supposed to be? Are those shutter glasses? Is he just projecting images on the walls and getting stereo with shutter glasses and tracking those balls on the glasses?

w00tazn
Dec 25, 2004
I don't say w00t in real life
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6NoWIdgKAw

This video he basically flies around his Lidar scan and explains that it's doing EXACTLY what i said it was doing. Raytracing for point cloud data.
Only took em two years to figure out a way to have moving point clouds represented.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
He never went to college

pyrotek
May 21, 2004



I tried Stern Pinball Arcade for Gear VR today. It was pretty underwhelming. The tables look pretty decent, but the low resolution and lack of head tracking means you can't really make out any detail on the tables. I only played Frankenstein, and the table seemed a little too big and I really would have liked to have changed my viewpoint.

Positional head tracking seems like a must for pinball games. I don't understand why they didn't bring it out for Rift the same time as Gear VR.

Chubby Henparty
Aug 13, 2007


Bhodi posted:

If you have a rift and are itching to get in on the roomscale stuff on the cheap, before touch comes out, and you're willing to spend ~$50, here's how to do it:

...

Download and install the Leap to Steam Controller drivers: https://github.com/cbuchner1/driver_leap/releases

...


I am trying to get this working with my Leap, but every time I try and download the file ('Alpha releases' 3 & 4) Chrome has auto-deleted the apparently virus-ridden file and having reversed that, Adaware automatically quarantines the installed driver. Should I trust those programs and move on, or is it in fact safe and is there a way to whitelist it?

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

1 800 J JAMES posted:

I am trying to get this working with my Leap, but every time I try and download the file ('Alpha releases' 3 & 4) Chrome has auto-deleted the apparently virus-ridden file and having reversed that, Adaware automatically quarantines the installed driver. Should I trust those programs and move on, or is it in fact safe and is there a way to whitelist it?
Many people have used it and since it's hosted on github so I thought it's relatively safe. I think chrome warned me and assumed it was a false positive and ignored it. Whether you do the same is up to you. In general, I don't have a high opinion of virus scanners so it was an easy choice for me.

Rastor
Jun 2, 2001

Tom's Hardware published a tour of the backpack computer prototypes at Computex:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/vr-backpacks-msi-zotac-chaintek,31974.html

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

ALFbrot posted:

As a 3D professional, I love his example of "look at this hosed up tree base!! trees don't look like this!" and then "look, we scanned a real tree!" as though that helps development at all. If a modeler wanted to model a specific tree, they could do so easily, and then manipulate the materials and properties of it way easier than with stupid point cloud data.

Yeah, Star Wars Battlefront uses photogrammetry and raster graphics and manages to have photorealistic trees, better than any real-time application I've ever seen.

There's so much BS in that video its staggering.

w00tazn posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6NoWIdgKAw

This video he basically flies around his Lidar scan and explains that it's doing EXACTLY what i said it was doing. Raytracing for point cloud data.
Only took em two years to figure out a way to have moving point clouds represented.

This looks soooo lovely. You can see through solid objects like cars as he flies past them. Nice point cloud guys! Nobody cares!

theBeaz
Jul 11, 2006

Everyone is doing such a good job ignoring them but since they keep trying to press their agenda here I just had to respond:

This is not the "Rift thread". This is the "VR thread". VR is going to change pretty rapidly in the next 12-18 months and it's nice having a megathread for it. The "Vive thread" was formed so some people could ironically wall themselves off from the Rift folks. However many of us are gaming enthusiasts and like hearing about both/all technologies. This thread is best thread. Go play console warrior in the other one.

HerpicleOmnicron5
May 31, 2013

How did this smug dummkopf ever make general?


I thought this was the thread for both sides to just fling poo poo at eachother until the true savior of VR, PSVR, releases since both the Rift and the Vive are kinda cool but not really all there yet.

theBeaz
Jul 11, 2006

HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:

I thought this was the thread for both sides to just fling poo poo at eachother until the true savior of VR, PSVR, releases since both the Rift and the Vive are kinda cool but not really all there yet.

This, basically. If anything, PSVR will hopefully spur more VR development. Like Oculus I'm sure there will also be an exclusive/cool-off period but maybe a win-win for the future of VR once the various hardware options start playing nice.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
No guys, don't you get it? We have to make a thread for every individual headset so I never have to leave my echo chamber.

VIVE IS THE BEST
vive is the best
vive is the best

r0ck0
Sep 12, 2004
r0ck0s p0zt m0d3rn lyf

Cojawfee posted:

No guys, don't you get it? We have to make a thread for every individual headset so I never have to leave my echo chamber.

VIVE IS THE BEST
vive is the best
vive is the best

Viva La Vive dipshit

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

theBeaz posted:

Everyone is doing such a good job ignoring them but since they keep trying to press their agenda here I just had to respond:

You didn't, at all, and now look at what you've done. I hope you feel sorry.


Anyway, Vive is here, adapters are here, Vive is hooked up and working, everything is amazing.

I am doing more demos at lunch and I can't wait.

GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 16:05 on Jun 3, 2016

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
I loaded up the disney VR thing and was REALLY disappointed to see that it was just a dumb frontend for a handful of grainy 360 no-depth videos just like jaunt and youtube. No need for an app for that.

Rated PG-34
Jul 1, 2004




disappointed but not surprised i hope

TomR
Apr 1, 2003
I both own and operate a pirate ship.
All PSVR has to do is show there is profit to be had in VR and it will all snowball from there.

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

Rated PG-34 posted:

disappointed but not surprised i hope
There was a video a while back about their imagineering(?) team exploring VR for all sorts of things, testing a new format for 3d video, and I had hoped this would fall out of that.

Bhodi fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jun 3, 2016

theBeaz
Jul 11, 2006

GlyphGryph posted:

You didn't, at all, and now look at what you've done. I hope you feel sorry, you jerk.


Anyway, Vive is here, adapters are here, Vive is hooked up and working, everything is amazing.

I am doing more demos at lunch and I can't wait.

I am so very sorry. I'm also very jealous though. Now that Vives are apparently shipping immediately I want to order one but I think the wife would kill me buying another HMD since my Rift is already chilling out waiting for something more worthwhile or Touch. That's okay though... until Witcher 3 or TW: Warhammer have native VR support (gently caress Vorpx) I'm too busy to play with it anyway. Oh and Overwatch and Smite on my PS4. Life is tough, ya know?

Bhodi posted:

There was a video a while back about their imagineering(?) team exploring VR for all sorts of things, testing a new format for 3d video, and I had hoped this would fall out of that.

Shame. That's exactly what I would have expected too. Guess I'm not sad to be locked out of it.

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

theBeaz posted:

Shame. That's exactly what I would have expected too. Guess I'm not sad to be locked out of it.
It's on steam and works with both headsets. I've got a rift myself. The openvr stuff has pretty much worked flawlessly in everything I have tried so far.

Maybe all that stuff is too experimental or it's too soon. I think everyone just wants to play with lightsabers. I know there's a $4 game on steam "Lightblade VR" taking a bit advantage of that itch, I don't know if anyone has tried it.

Bhodi fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Jun 3, 2016

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

theBeaz posted:

I am so very sorry. I'm also very jealous though. Now that Vives are apparently shipping immediately I want to order one but I think the wife would kill me buying another HMD since my Rift is already chilling out waiting for something more worthwhile or Touch. That's okay though... until Witcher 3 or TW: Warhammer have native VR support (gently caress Vorpx) I'm too busy to play with it anyway. Oh and Overwatch and Smite on my PS4. Life is tough, ya know?

Rifts are still selling for around 850 dollars... around the price of a Vive...

It's basically a free upgrade.

r0ck0
Sep 12, 2004
r0ck0s p0zt m0d3rn lyf

GlyphGryph posted:

Rifts are still selling for around 850 dollars... around the price of a Vive...

It's basically a free upgrade.

Uh new rifts are selling for $850 minus ebay/paypal fees and shipping. Used you might break even. I just canceled my third rift order cause it isn't worth it to flip.

theBeaz
Jul 11, 2006

GlyphGryph posted:

Rifts are still selling for around 850 dollars... around the price of a Vive...

It's basically a free upgrade.

I've considered it but I'll just sit tight for now. Selling it then paying for a pricier HMD setup for a few more VR tech demos just isn't worth it. Fingers crossed that we'll get some Touch info at E3.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
If you have a cardboard, you should check this app out. It's an interesting look into dementia. It runs kind of lovely on my HTC One M8 but it was kind of interesting.

http://uploadvr.com/alzheimers-research-vr-app/

GlyphGryph
Jun 23, 2013

Down came the glitches and burned us in ditches and we slept after eating our dead.

r0ck0 posted:

Uh new rifts are selling for $850 minus ebay/paypal fees and shipping. Used you might break even. I just canceled my third rift order cause it isn't worth it to flip.

Ah yeah I forgot it probably wouldn't be new.

They really have dropped a lot in price since Oculus started being dicks and/or Vives started shipping out so quickly.

EdEddnEddy
Apr 5, 2012



Whats interesting about the 360 Pictures/Video, is the Google Cardboard Camera seems to take better 360 Pictures that look better in VR (at least on my 6P, HTC 10, and G3) than they look in some of the apps for Rift/Vive. Wonder why that is. Its like Google Cardboard actually does some 3D processing to them even though its a single camera, but all the other VR cameras don't as they don't capture in 3D, just 360, which ends up looking like crap in VR.

In other news, ordered a DP to Mini DP cable for the Vive so I don't have to swap plugs when going from Vive to Rift (not like it was hard, but I want to maximize laziness). Look forward to seeing how SteamVR handles having both headsets plugged in when I launch it. Also threw in Overwatch into that order as the 20% off for the physical copy seems like a good deal and the game keeps getting good reviews.

froody guy
Jun 25, 2013

So someone asked me why (the gently caress) both Oculus and Vive charged so much for the shipping & handling and I answered "Coz they ship them from the US of A" as if that made any sense. Is it even true and is there any other reason for such extra costs?

sigher
Apr 22, 2008

My guiding Moonlight...



froody guy posted:

So someone asked me why (the gently caress) both Oculus and Vive charged so much for the shipping & handling and I answered "Coz they ship them from the US of A" as if that made any sense. Is it even true and is there any other reason for such extra costs?

Because it's a huge god drat box.

r0ck0
Sep 12, 2004
r0ck0s p0zt m0d3rn lyf

froody guy posted:

So someone asked me why (the gently caress) both Oculus and Vive charged so much for the shipping & handling and I answered "Coz they ship them from the US of A" as if that made any sense. Is it even true and is there any other reason for such extra costs?

Look up the cost of shipping, its actually cheaper than what it really costs.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Shipping on my rift was pretty cheap, don't know what you're talking about.

froody guy
Jun 25, 2013

I think the main concern is about the fact it's an "extra" cost. If the Oculus dudes said it costs 750$ no shipping costs it would have been much better than 700 + 50 for the shipping (same for Vive I just don't know the exact figures). Also, you can buy a monitor from Korea and they have no shipping costs whatsoever but anyway I was just wondering if there was some other reason behind the ordinary "shipping costs". I didn't even have to pay them for the delay issue so not really my problem, but I see this coming out almost every time people start bitching about the pricing.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

It really depends on how the organization has the units priced. You're paying for shipping one way or the other, one just tells you that you're doing it. iirc, most places that do free shipping figure the price of item as Cost + Profit Margin + Average shipping amount for the targeted demographic/market segment. Meaning that if you're, say, next door to the regional distribution center you're getting shafted but if you're in another state or the other side of the country you're getting a break. It's rather socialistic when you think about it. On the other hand places that charge a seperate shipping fee are more likely selling you the item as Cost + margin, so you're getting a better deal if you're near.

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.

Cojawfee posted:

No guys, don't you get it? We have to make a thread for every individual headset so I never have to leave my echo chamber.

VIVE IS THE BEST
vive is the best
vive is the best

:ironicat:

theBeaz posted:

Everyone is doing such a good job ignoring them but since they keep trying to press their agenda here I just had to respond:

This is not the "Rift thread". This is the "VR thread". VR is going to change pretty rapidly in the next 12-18 months and it's nice having a megathread for it. The "Vive thread" was formed so some people could ironically wall themselves off from the Rift folks. However many of us are gaming enthusiasts and like hearing about both/all technologies. This thread is best thread. Go play console warrior in the other one.

Is it fanboy-ism to say that the vive is better than the rift in every way other than comfort and clarity? Is it fanboy-ism to say the vive can do everything the rift can plus more. Is it fanboyism to say Oculus is doing some really anti-consumer things?

No its not, its objectivity (Maybe when touch releases two out of three of those statements will no longer have merit.). But people in this thread lose their minds if you talk about it. So don't try and pretend like this thread isn't its own hugbox. This thread isn't as unbiased as you'd like to believe it is. Which is fine, its what the people want.

Knifegrab fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jun 3, 2016

somethingawful bf
Jun 17, 2005
I dunno, I was in AltSpaceVR and the Rift owners were articulate cool attractive men and women and the Vive owners communicated by peeing and pooping on the floor and drawing in it.

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.

Poetic Justice posted:

I dunno, I was in AltSpaceVR and the Rift owners were articulate cool attractive men and women and the Vive owners communicated by peeing and pooping on the floor and drawing in it.

It's called asserting dominance :colbert:

Might as well post this here too: If you purchased final approach, you will get final approach: pilot edition for free. Pilot edition is a seated experience that has you flying each plane in to land yourself, its targetted for vive and rift. Rejoice!

Knifegrab fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jun 3, 2016

EdEddnEddy
Apr 5, 2012



Poetic Justice posted:

I dunno, I was in AltSpaceVR and the Rift owners were articulate cool attractive men and women and the Vive owners communicated by peeing and pooping on the floor and drawing in it.

Most of the Vive owners I saw were using the controllers as dongs and those with Leap motion were helping them relax a bit....

Knifegrab
Jul 30, 2014

Gadzooks! I'm terrified of this little child who is going to stab me with a knife. I must wrest the knife away from his control and therefore gain the upperhand.

EdEddnEddy posted:

Most of the Vive owners I saw were using the controllers as dongs and those with Leap motion were helping them relax a bit....

Its true.

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Aphex-
Jan 29, 2006

Dinosaur Gum
Waltz of the Wizard, while a short experience, is loving great. Loads of little cool easter eggs in it too. Highly recommend giving it a go!

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