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Deketh posted:I do want a v twin but I'm curious why the opinion is generally that they're better? They're not soulless robotic hand buzzers. V-twin is God's configuration. 2 wheels, 2 cylinders, amen.
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Deketh posted:I do want a v twin but I'm curious why the opinion is generally that they're better? Someone post the gifs.
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Jun 3, 2016 21:04
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I4: v-twin:  p-twin: 
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Take a V4 and call me in the morning.
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Is there a nice sarcasm-filled summary of what Italian nature is?
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pokie posted:Is there a nice sarcasm-filled summary of what Italian nature is? It would be some sort of GIF with a dapper man enjoying an espresso, but which suddenly turns into a vicious oil well fire.
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pokie posted:Is there a nice sarcasm-filled summary of what Italian nature is? Fix It Again Tony, writ large
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Jun 4, 2016 00:47
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Midlife crises never cost so much or looked so good
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Deketh posted:I do want a v twin but I'm curious why the opinion is generally that they're better? No motor configuration is objectively "better", unless you take into consideration what you'll be doing with it. I'll assume you want to use your motorcycle on the street, like 99% of us. I4's can make big power but it's generally only at the very top end of their rev range, the other 80% of the rpm range is spent waiting for something to happen. Also since they rev so high they generally don't get fun until you're breaking the law. Also they tend to be buzzy and don't sound good unless you are into the sound of a civic with an exhaust on it. V-twins are torquey, can be very revvy and are generally more fun on the street. If you're thinking about a Ducati, v-twins have the most soul, which is critical to Ducati ownership. Standardizing on v-twins is one thing the Italians got right, unlike most of the other stuff related to their bikes. Parallel twins, despite technically being 0 degree v-twins are boring and generally lifeless motors. Apparently Yamaha makes a decent 270 degree p-twin that isn't terrible, but I'll believe it when I ride one. Triples are awesome, but come saddled with a speed or street triple that you have to deal with. Please buy a GT750 if you want a triple. Basically they all have their advantages and disadvantages, but for the average street rider a v-twin is hard to beat.
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Can confirm, had a boringish ptwin in a ninja 250, an i4 that did nothing until 8k, and now a v twin tuono wheelie machine supreme that owns hard all the time. I do still miss the i4 in my R1 and it never felt underpowered, and my next bike is gonna be the new FZ/MT10 which should satisfy the urge.
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Also just for reference I went from a versys 650 (p-twin) to an SV650 (v-twin) this past year and despite both being fuel injected twins that make similar power and displace 650cc's they could not be more different Cylinder config does matter
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Deketh posted:I do want a v twin but I'm curious why the opinion is generally that they're better? As someone who went from riding an FZ-1 to now having an SV650, can confirm this: Skreemer posted:low end grunt and torque numbers. Makes it bit easier for slow maneuvers and commuting. Right off idle it has more grunt than my old FZ-1, it's basically almost impossible to stall this thing, even starting off on a steep hill - and mind you this is an old 650cc bike with literally half the HP of an FZ-1. But once you get above 6000 RPM there's just no extra oomph, it just kinda gradually gets less and less punch the higher you go (not wheezing or anything, just doesn't feel as strong as down low), as opposed to a liter I4 which goes from ludicrous speed to plaid around that RPM. Jim Silly-Balls posted:Triples are awesome, Fixt. pokie posted:Is there a nice sarcasm-filled summary of what Italian nature is? 
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:
Relay this to bmw. thanks~ You also forgot thumpers. 
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Thumpers are tiny tractors with a fun amount of torque if they're powerful enough. I actually rode an xl500 the other that was a hoot.
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A huge chunk of that low end responsiveness is down to gearing and flywheel weight.
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Thumpers I find are generally more fun because of the bike they're mounted in, rather than the engine itself
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I had a 250 Ninja to start with. A parallel twin is fine to start on. Very linear, not likely to give you a sudden burst of unexpected uncontrollable power if your wrist twitches when you go over a pot hole. Its not exciting, but its confidence building. It did sound boring though at normal rev range. Then I had the 1000cc superhawk. V-twin. Sounded and felt great. A lot of low end torque which made it a lot of fun to ride around at normal speeds. Also sounded amazing. The only thing I didn't like was that it would occasionally be uneven while at a static speed. Now on the bandit; huge torque at any speed. Sounds like a civic.
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That's called surging, it can usually be tuned out 
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AncientTV posted:p-twin: Fixed from my own p-twin experience.
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I'm thinking about getting an FZ-07. What are the lovely things about this bike?
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triples: (think of the stutter as changing gear) still working on thumpers
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Triples are awesome, but come saddled with a speed or street triple that you have to deal with. Please buy a GT750 if you want a triple. What's wrong with street triple?
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Thanks for the advice and amusing gifs y'all, can't wait to get my fancy red oil fire.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:No motor configuration is objectively "better", unless you take into consideration what you'll be doing with it. I'd argue that I4s make good commuters for this reason, sure they're boring and predictable if you shift early and use all the gears without breaking the speed limit, but if you want a bit of fun (and to drain the tank twice as fast) you can just leave it in second 
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I haven't figured out whether I want a triple or a v-twin for my next bike. The Ninja 500 is just such an excellent commuter I might never get rid of it though, unless I give it to my buddy as a gift. Same guy who shot those cool photos of my bike, he really wants one but can't quite afford it right now. It's still way too early for me to get something more powerful but I can dream.
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Yeah I guess I should clarify, all of the things that I said about p-twins make them excellent beginner motors. It's part of why ninja 250's sold like hot cakes and are the de facto starter bike.
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Speaking of power, is there anything new in the 80-100hp range? The only things I can see that make that are 600cc i4s from the 80s and 90s (although some were still in production until just a couple of years ago). Now it seems like there's your ~600 twins that make 70hp on a good day while anything bigger than that (or the new 600cc i4s) puts out 120hp minimum, and a big hole in between. Am I not looking hard enough, or is there really nothing there? Is it just that modern electronics/ride control means there's no reason to restrict the power of middleweights to under 100hp?
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Not looking hard enough. I think the new Africa twin falls in that range, as does the Indian scout, Yamaha FZ-07, CB1100F, probably more. Depends on what you like to ride I guess.
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Renaissance Robot posted:Speaking of power, is there anything new in the 80-100hp range? The only things I can see that make that are 600cc i4s from the 80s and 90s (although some were still in production until just a couple of years ago). Husky 701! Only 67hp, but it's also 320 or 350 wet (internet says different things) and either way it's light enough that it should feel more in the middle of that 80-100 range than its heavier competitors. Also, I haven't blindly promoted either the super Duke or the 701 lately so it's got that going for it as well.
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HotCanadianChick posted:A): when you're on the bike, you can't tell what it looks like Ninja 500 is still my favorite bike for "looks like frumpy rear end with fairings, looks brutal when you strip them."
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PCOS Bill posted:Fix It Again Tony, writ large My friend says that in Brazil they joke that Fiat stands for "foi inganada agora tarde": I got ripped off this afternoon.
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Renaissance Robot posted:I'd argue that I4s make good commuters for this reason, sure they're boring and predictable if you shift early and use all the gears without breaking the speed limit, but if you want a bit of fun (and to drain the tank twice as fast) you can just leave it in second I can't legally use my 4th or 5th gear unless I want to bog below 5k rpms. 
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Chichevache posted:I can't legally use my 4th or 5th gear unless I want to bog below 5k rpms. Sounds like a good excuse for a +1/-2 sprocket set. 
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Chichevache posted:I can't legally use my 4th or 5th gear unless I want to bog below 5k rpms. Probably the only reason I get away with it is the zzr has a really flat torque curve with acceptable pull* as low as 4krpm for everything short of actual hills (though 70mph in 6th puts me at 6.5k) Remind me what you're on? *for cruising/sedate takeoffs, not overtaking Renaissance Robot fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Ola posted:It would be some sort of GIF with a dapper man enjoying an espresso, but which suddenly turns into a vicious oil well fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldn4JkJsBsE
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Renaissance Robot posted:Speaking of power, is there anything new in the 80-100hp range? The only things I can see that make that are 600cc i4s from the 80s and 90s (although some were still in production until just a couple of years ago). The VFR800 is still sitting around 109hp...
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So I've had my CB500F for a while now and no matter how hard I push it, it doesn't bring out any emotion in me anymore. I've been looking at a naked, torque monster, as most of my riding is 0-60 and my heart seems to be set on the FZ-07. I test drove my friends ER6N and as exhilarating as it was to ride it, I felt like I needed a bit more oomph. Is the FZ-07 still a good option or should I go for the FZ-09? I'd be keeping this bike for a few years as well. Any other suggestions?
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PCOS Bill posted:The VFR800 is still sitting around 109hp... There are parts of every vfr800 I love but no one that's perfect. The latest headlight, engine, and assorted comfort gizmos look great, but they scrapped the beautiful undertail exhaust from the previous model, and moved the radiators off the sides leaving the thing too skinny for my dadly tastes.
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Pr0phecy posted:So I've had my CB500F for a while now and no matter how hard I push it, it doesn't bring out any emotion in me anymore. Go for the FZ-09. Or buy a Street Triple.
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:Parallel twins, despite technically being 0 degree v-twins are boring and generally lifeless motors. Apparently Yamaha makes a decent 270 degree p-twin that isn't terrible, but I'll believe it when I ride one. It's super good. quote:Triples are awesome, but come saddled with a speed or street triple that you have to deal with. Please buy a GT750 if you want a triple. FZ09/FJ09/XSR900 !
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