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Apropos of nothing, Gabriel Duquette's Twitter is much harder to mine for material than Rev's, because you have to dig past his terrible, terrible taste in film. He's both too much of an arrogant snob to enjoy popular culture and too much of a close-minded phillistine to enjoy high art, it's insane
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Curvature of Earth posted:Link please? Searching SA shows lots of references to her posting but none of her actual posts here you go bitcoin: a sisyphean nightmare, forever trapped in an endless wall of sperg
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skul-gun posted:here you go Oh man I stopped following that thread at the exact wrong time and missed that, now I'm super disappointed 
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Jun 4, 2016 05:14
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Apropos of nothing, Gabriel Duquette's Twitter is much harder to mine for material than Rev's, because you have to dig past his terrible, terrible taste in film. Yeah, how can anyone suffer through the horrid post-rationalist twitter film discourse. Or their literary analyses. At least Rev cuts the crap and puts up his lovely opinions every day with due diligence. That's something to respect.
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slate star codex posted:I once read a science-fiction story that depicted a pretty average sci-fi future – mighty starships, weird aliens, confederations of planets, post-scarcity economy – with the sole unusual feature that rape was considered totally legal, and opposition to such as bigoted and ignorant as opposition to homosexuality is today. Everybody got really angry at the author and said it was offensive for him to even speculate about that. Well, that’s the method by which our cheerful acceptance of any possible future values is maintained: restricting the set of “any possible future values” to “values slightly more progressive than ours” and then angrily shouting down anyone who discusses future values that actually sound bad. But of course the whole question of how worried to be about future value drift only makes sense in the context of future values that genuinely violate our current values. Approving of all future values except ones that would be offensive to even speculate about is the same faux-open-mindedness as tolerating anything except the outgroup. This kind of nonsense. It's hard to interpret SSC-dude sometimes because a) he's a poor writer and b) you can't believe someone could come to such a twisted, dumbfuck conclusion. But as far as I can tell, he's saying that to best prevent a future where rape is normalized, we absolutely must not criticize dudes who like to fantasize about rape futures and think rape is ethically isomorphic to homosexuality, or whatever. Imagine trying to pick a restaurant with this guy: SSC: Where should we eat? You: Hm I'm not sure. Just not pizza. Anything but that. SSC: *drives up to pizza place* Oh well, I freely choose pizza. You: What the gently caress, dude? SSC: Ah, but by accepting *any* future except one that includes pizza, you lay the groundwork for a future that eventually includes pizza. You: Holy poo poo you put a lot of thought into being a dumb rear end in a top hat. SSC: You're just saying that because I'm in your outgroup.
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Jun 4, 2016 05:46
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skul-gun posted:here you go Thanks, this is gold. Wow, this was when she was reporting on the Ross Ulbricht trial. (You know, the guy who ran Silk Road. Also he hired a hitman, because he saw that reducto ad absurdum of libertarianism and 100% unregulated free markets and thought it was a fuckin' great idea.) Hey, what's the NRx position on hiring assassins? *St. Rev voice* "Leftists have already murdered millions by tolerating Muslims and taking away Milo's verified checkmark"
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Jun 4, 2016 06:20
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I can't believe that hitmen actually exist. I know there are people who murder others as part of their jobs, but the economics of being a person whose sole source of income is going out and killing others for a flat fee paid by strangers who find you through personal connections or secret ads just can't work, can they? Mafia hitmen are also into selling illegal poo poo and protection schemes and illegal loans, and their murders are in the context of furthering their own careers or increasing the competitive advantages of their organization. Tv has taught a generation of idiots that they can just pay ten grand to a stranger to kill somebody.
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Jun 4, 2016 06:36
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Jack Gladney posted:I can't believe that hitmen actually exist. I know there are people who murder others as part of their jobs, but the economics of being a person whose sole source of income is going out and killing others for a flat fee paid by strangers who find you through personal connections or secret ads just can't work, can they? I expect it's a "have a day job" situation, like acting and visual art. Probably a more secure career choice than those, though.
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Sax Solo posted:But as far as I can tell, he's saying that to best prevent a future where rape is normalized, we absolutely must not criticize dudes who like to fantasize about rape futures and think rape is ethically isomorphic to homosexuality, or whatever. Nah, he's responding to this idea quote:A short digression: there’s a certain strain of thought I find infuriating, which is “My traditionalist ancestors would have disapproved of the changes typical of my era, like racial equality, more open sexuality, and secularism. But I am smarter than them, and so totally okay with how the future will likely have values even more progressive and shocking than my own. Therefore I pre-approve of any value changes that might happen in the future as definitely good and better than our stupid hidebound present.” And saying that the only reason people are okay with hypothetical future values is because they are mostly okay with those values already. Also wasn't the writer of that story Yudkowsky? Why be so coy?
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Jun 4, 2016 07:00
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Sax Solo posted:This kind of nonsense.  version of "maybe people in the distant future will do some things we think are hosed up and/or grotesque but for reasons that make perfect sense to them, and how do you know they won't!?" i.e. the idea that occurs to every even slightly clever kid who knows what both history and science fiction are. Except the kid is usually smart enough to just shrug at futurism beyond for-entertainment-purposes-only and go back to doodling in class.It sounds like he's more concerned about not predicting the future incorrectly than he is about envisioning it in any kind of constructive, inspiring, illuminating way. Why should we give a poo poo about the space of ALL POSSIBLE future values, anyway? Nobody debates the future of ethics inside of an episode of goddamn Rick & Morty (as fun as that would be). It's not like any values we have now or would have in the future materialized out of nowhere with no antecedents in previous values, convincing moral arguments, or material needs. ^E: f;b Puppy Time posted:I expect it's a "have a day job" situation, like acting and visual art. Probably a more secure career choice than those, though. Frogisis has a new favorite as of 07:11 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Patrick Spens posted:Nah, he's responding to this idea Ah you're right, he's just blasting his strawman for its hypocrisy, which makes him very brave for thinking about this dystopia.
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I first parsed this as criticizing sneer culture on the basis that it's just an accusation empty of logic. Correct, even if weirdly composed. Because I was sure that even post-rationalists don't take the term seriously.
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Jun 4, 2016 08:23
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Curvature of Earth posted:*St. Rev voice* "Leftists have already murdered millions by tolerating Muslims and taking away Milo's verified checkmark" To be fair, even Rev isn't that bad. Or he is, but not transparently so. His voice would go more like: [some right-wing figure wrote a racist piece about refugees and Muslims which was widely criticized by the left] Rev, subtweeting about the critics: "These commie prog fuckbags sure are evil, wanting to crush this poor free thinker!"
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Jun 4, 2016 08:31
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Patrick Spens posted:Also wasn't the writer of that story Yudkowsky? Why be so coy? Probably because he knows it looks bad if it's too obvious he's just making questionable excuses for his buddy's lovely execution of a reprehensible story idea.
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I know it's a few pages late, but the best part of the Gawker trial was Hulk trying to explain kayfabe by talking about his dick. 
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Sax Solo posted:This kind of nonsense. Scott is the slimiest motherfucker, I swear to god. He's so dishonest, I'm pretty sure there's even a part of him that doesn't think he's dogwhistling
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Sax Solo posted:Ah you're right, he's just blasting his strawman for its hypocrisy, which makes him very brave for thinking about this dystopia. I'd guess that the rationalist who hangs out with a bunch of techno-fetishists probably runs into more obnoxious future-utopians than you or I.
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https://twitter.com/nydwracu/status/718499072768913408 "What an unbelievable oval office"-St_Rev, after seeing a piece of architecture he doesn't like Takin' after Lovecraft in more ways than one EDIT: Oh my, this is a can of worms https://twitter.com/search?q=st_rev%20architecture&src=typd The Vosgian Beast has a new favorite as of 22:52 on Jun 4, 2016 |
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Am I reading this right: Someone publishes a standard "ugh i think modern buildings are like so uggo and not at all like the nice traditional cathedrals we used to build!" about Paris that ends with "so like asking people what they think is a new kind of journalism right? like, why do people even build stuff like this (lol)?", rev goes "it's autism and malevolence (of the left, and a sign of the destruction of
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Jun 4, 2016 23:32
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Wales Grey posted:Am I reading this right: Pretty much Rev is basically at the same level of perpetual rage at the perceived immorality of others that his strawman evil puritan prog is.
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Jun 5, 2016 00:10
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Accusing alt-right of lacking self awareness is kind of like saying the sky is blue, water is wet, fire is hot. Having zero self-awareness is a requirement to embrace the bullshit. If you can't comfortably say "All women are sluts!" in front of the only woman who will touch you (your mother), you can't remain a part of the alt-right.
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Jun 5, 2016 00:22
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I just read the YCS alt-right thread and the fash is coming from inside the thread. 
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Jack Gladney posted:I can't believe that hitmen actually exist. I know there are people who murder others as part of their jobs, but the economics of being a person whose sole source of income is going out and killing others for a flat fee paid by strangers who find you through personal connections or secret ads just can't work, can they? I suspect there's like one guy who has a fixed idea here, and who is constantly re-published and referenced so other people get that same idea.
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The Vosgian Beast posted:I see Scott Alexander has been doing well in the months since this thread stopped paying attention to him Wait. Isn't Scott into EA? Those $15,000 could, if donated to AMF, save the lives of around 5 children. I'm pretty sure that saving those lives is giving far more bang for buck than supporting some tech conference. Even if supporting a tech conference generates more good for the world then saving the lives of children, which hey it might, you should generally donate overseas, because it is almost always more cost effective. Shouldn't he try to find a bunch of fascists who are trying to organize a tech conference in South Africa and tell his followers to fund that instead? I mean, Scott is a lovely hypocrite of no value so I am not going to go trolling through his work, but does anyone know if he has a better justification for this bullshit.
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Nessus posted:There is this idea I have been seeing for over twenty years (I clearly remember reading about it in Wired) that if we develop some kind of secure anonymous system for transfering money, we'll be able to bring down the government because people will put out contracts for the killing of government officials. Yes, all of them. Then will come the good things. Did you ever see that weird letter I guess someone sent to Lowtax about how bitcoin would lead to a future where anonymous crowdfunded exploding drones would descend from the sky on anyone who slighted anyone else ever and mankind would have to permanently stay indoors and lead the ideal nerd lifestyle and only go out rarely while wearing scramble suits, because that's my favorite version of this dumb idea.
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Reflections85 posted:Wait. Isn't Scott into EA? Those $15,000 could, if donated to AMF, save the lives of around 5 children. I'm pretty sure that saving those lives is giving far more bang for buck than supporting some tech conference. Even if supporting a tech conference generates more good for the world then saving the lives of children, which hey it might, you should generally donate overseas, because it is almost always more cost effective. Shouldn't he try to find a bunch of fascists who are trying to organize a tech conference in South Africa and tell his followers to fund that instead? I mean, Scott is a lovely hypocrite of no value so I am not going to go trolling through his work, but does anyone know if he has a better justification for this bullshit. Bullies are being mean to a nerd and we, the nerd underdogs of society
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Nessus posted:There is this idea I have been seeing for over twenty years (I clearly remember reading about it in Wired) that if we develop some kind of secure anonymous system for transfering money, we'll be able to bring down the government because people will put out contracts for the killing of government officials. Yes, all of them. Then will come the good things. I think I read that exact thing online like 10 years ago. I remember being weirded out that his phrasing was "powerful people" in general but then all his examples were "LIKE IN THE GOVERNMENT WINK WINK" and conspicuously avoided mentioning any other form of influential organization. It always amazes me people think these systems will work and keep working, even in just the banal, technical sense. One of these assassins is going to forget his drat phone in a cab because he took it out to hear "Starships" again and give the game away. There's other, quasi-related stuff like futarchy which I think I found by following a link from it and if I understand it correctly is a kind of wackadoodle sci fi direct democracy that involves a market where everyone bets on the likelihood of future events and on policies to address them (and anyone can propose a new one) that then get adopted by their viral popularity as people switch their bets, which is so loving bananas it's not without charm to my inner stoned freshman. I tried reading this long essay where the guy tried to explain how rich people wouldn't just exploit it but my eyes glazed over because I didn't care. Frogisis has a new favorite as of 05:26 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Did you ever see that weird letter I guess someone sent to Lowtax about how bitcoin would lead to a future where anonymous crowdfunded exploding drones would descend from the sky on anyone who slighted anyone else ever and mankind would have to permanently stay indoors and lead the ideal nerd lifestyle and only go out rarely while wearing scramble suits, because that's my favorite version of this dumb idea. The most convenient of apocalypses, with running water and internet.
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Frogisis posted:I think I read that exact thing online like 10 years ago. I remember being weirded out that his phrasing was "powerful people" in general but then all his examples were "LIKE IN THE GOVERNMENT WINK WINK" and conspicuously avoided mentioning any other form of influential organization. It always amazes me people think these systems will work and keep working, even in just the banal, technical sense. One of these assassins is going to forget his drat phone in a cab because he took it out to hear "Starships" again and give the game away. Is a futarchy a society ruled by hermaphroditic anime babes or something
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Did you ever see that weird letter I guess someone sent to Lowtax about how bitcoin would lead to a future where anonymous crowdfunded exploding drones would descend from the sky on anyone who slighted anyone else ever and mankind would have to permanently stay indoors and lead the ideal nerd lifestyle and only go out rarely while wearing scramble suits, because that's my favorite version of this dumb idea. As for futarchy, the version where anime girls with penises rule everyone with an iron... something seems more realistic than a betting-market based system ever working out.
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I'm casting back to like 2006 here but imagine if the proto-Bitcoin people tried to turn all that derivitive betting and poo poo into the government, I guess? It was like Timecube in that it was kind of fascinatingly crazy but not enough to stick, obviously.
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Jack Gladney posted:I can't believe that hitmen actually exist. I know there are people who murder others as part of their jobs, but the economics of being a person whose sole source of income is going out and killing others for a flat fee paid by strangers who find you through personal connections or secret ads just can't work, can they? That's the best part of the whole saga, Ross didn't actually hire a hitman. He was scammed by somebody pretending to be one, and IIRC it was the very guy he wanted bumped off using an alternate account on Silk Road. This wasn't exactly helpful at the sentencing phase of the trial, of course, because he thought was hiring somebody to commit a murder and that didn't really go well with the "virtuous (and not black) young man with good intentions" portrait the defense was trying to use.
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Parallel Paraplegic posted:Bullies are being mean to a nerd and we, the nerd underdogs of society I'm pretty sure that's the psychological reason. He identifies with racist scum, because he and the scum are both nerds. He privileges his in group and doesn't care about how his in group harms other people. And, in a hilarious parody of identity politics, he also believes that his group is persecuted and that attacks against his imagined identity must be forcibly responded to. But, I am curious how he is transforming that psychological narrative into a supposedly reasoned argument that is congruent with his other stated beliefs. Like, him saying "we should support free speech, event if it is speech I dislike" and "thought police are bad" works perfectly both with his psychology and his other stated beliefs. But extending that to "and we should donate money to this ineffective charity" sounds, on the face of it, odd. At least with MIRI he could Pascal Wager his way out of it. I'm not sure how he can here without being a hypocrite.
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Look let's just live under the all powerful SHODAN/GlaDOS/AI god and be done with it
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No Recette you're supposed to be the cute cutthroat shop owner, don't mingle with hateful people like this.
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Annointed posted:Look let's just live under the all powerful SHODAN/GlaDOS/AM god and be done with it I fixed this for you. hate
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Reflections85 posted:Wait. Isn't Scott into EA? Those $15,000 could, if donated to AMF, save the lives of around 5 children. I'm pretty sure that saving those lives is giving far more bang for buck than supporting some tech conference. Even if supporting a tech conference generates more good for the world then saving the lives of children, which hey it might, you should generally donate overseas, because it is almost always more cost effective. Shouldn't he try to find a bunch of fascists who are trying to organize a tech conference in South Africa and tell his followers to fund that instead? I mean, Scott is a lovely hypocrite of no value so I am not going to go trolling through his work, but does anyone know if he has a better justification for this bullshit. To him effective altruism is synonymous with MIRI because the Robot Devil might torture every atom in the observable universe and then create 2^16 simulations where each atom is tortured 2^16 times per simulation. If that is possible than the expected value of MIRI approaches infinity.
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