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QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Corek posted:

How did it come about that Butler's VP candidate is a Confederate veteran who raised a regiment to fight against the north and still today does not consider blacks equal to whites? Strange bedfellows. (The last Greenback VP candidate, Barzillai Chambers, was also a Confederate veteran.)

The Greenbacks were divided into two factions: the Westerner-Southerner Faction and the Easterner Faction. The Westerner-Southerners were largely composed of poor white farmers, trapped by insurmountable debt but believers in personal independence. They blamed government intervention for their economic burden and saw "Greenbacks" as a way to rectify the situation and return to the status quo. Party leaders believed in a kind of Jeffersonian ideal and were deeply suspicious of authority figures. Towards the end of the movement, the faction proposed making corruption a capital punishment.

The Easterners were largely composed of poor urban workers, impoverished by tiny wages and huge retail prices. They had no such objections about government overreach. The Eastern part of the party focused much more on cooperation and compromise, pushing the party to cooperate with the Democrats and Republicans to achieve their goals. While the Western-Southern wing of the party proved to be much more influential, the Easterners tended to be much more palatable to the general public. They also tended to be the ones behind the non-fiat money related party planks.

Gradually, the two factions drifted apart and the party became increasingly dysfunctional. The Easterners were eventually absorbed by the two major parties and the Westerners and Southerners eventually defected to the Populist Party.

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Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich

Franco Potente posted:

The Democrats selected Alabama senator John Sparkman as VP in 1952. And FDR's first VP was hardline Texas conservative John Nance Garner.

Oh goddamit even when I was leafting through wikipedia I knew I hosed up.

Franco Potente
Jul 9, 2010

Corek posted:

Oh goddamit even when I was leafting through wikipedia I knew I hosed up.

You're right about a southerner being nominated for the presidency, though. The Democrats couldn't make a southern politician palatable to the whole country, and so the nomination would often go to an acceptable northern figure ; running mates from the South would be used to appease Solid South voters (Arkansas Senator Joseph Robinson in 1928 and Tennessee Senator Estes Kefauver in 1956 are two more that come to mind). As a campaign strategy, I think it revealed the weaknesses in the factional divides of the Democrats more than it projected unity, however.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Franco Potente posted:

Arkansas Senator Joseph Robinson in 1928

quote:

His response to a guard who questioned his credentials at the 1920 Democratic National Convention was a punch in the face.

I guess they were afraid not to run with him after that

oystertoadfish
Jun 17, 2003

not an inspiring election

went greenback, i guess there's a reason cleveland won this one though

Ibogaine
Aug 11, 2015

Franco Potente posted:

You're right about a southerner being nominated for the presidency, though. The Democrats couldn't make a southern politician palatable to the whole country, and so the nomination would often go to an acceptable northern figure ; running mates from the South would be used to appease Solid South voters (Arkansas Senator Joseph Robinson in 1928 and Tennessee Senator Estes Kefauver in 1956 are two more that come to mind). As a campaign strategy, I think it revealed the weaknesses in the factional divides of the Democrats more than it projected unity, however.

I think it is interesting that even when a southerner did become president again with Woodrow Wilson, his political career had been effectively launched in the north (New Jersey).

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone


I'm convinced.

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich
I guess I must have searched for Presidential candidates only and grafted "VP" on that in my memory.

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



Lord of Pie posted:

I guess they were afraid not to run with him after that

poo poo, I know who I'm writing in this November.

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Thump! posted:

poo poo, I know who I'm writing in this November.

He got his face on money while still alive through a reputation for vigorous facepunching

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Spotted at Union Station. Which one of you is still campaigning for the Anti-Masonic Party?

QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 01:01 on May 29, 2016

Pakled
Aug 6, 2011

WE ARE SMART

QuoProQuid posted:

Spotted at Union Station. Which one of you is still campaigning for the Anti-Masonic Party?



Maybe they just hate architects.

Harold Stassen
Jan 24, 2016

Ibogaine posted:

"Ma, ma, where's my pa!"

GONE TO THE WHITE HOUSE, HA! HA! HA!

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Nckdictator posted:



I'm convinced.

Boss Tw*ed.

german porn enthusiast
Dec 29, 2015

by exmarx
Prohibition it is. This is a terrible election.

RagnarokAngel
Oct 5, 2006

Black Magic Extraordinaire

metalloid posted:

Prohibition it is. This is a terrible election.

SA decides, every election is the worst election.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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Thank you for voting. Having overcome staunch opposition from the South (and particularly the State of Louisiana), Benjamin Franklin Butler has been elected President. His Imperial Majesty, Lord-President of these United States and Protector of their Liberties promises to rule justly and fairly in the years to come. His Mightiness only requests that no one question his status as the first among men, Imperator of the American nation.

The Vice-President-elect Absolom M. West has already arrived in Washington to see how he might make America great again. Surely, once the railroads are defeated and the blacks are put in their place, America will return to what it was envisioned as: a utopia for landed white men.

To celebrate their conquest, Butler and West have ordered the construction of a grand statue from France, which they call the Statue of Victory. The statue is expected to be finished by 1886 and will be displayed in the New York Harbor, as a warning to immigrants arriving from abroad.



MOST POPULAR TICKET:

Benjamin Franklin Butler / Absolom M. West (Greenback/ Anti-Monopoly) - 40 votes (55.6%)
John St. John / William Daniel (Prohibition) - 24 votes (33.3%)
Grover Cleveland / Thomas A. Hendricks (Democratic) - 5 votes (6.9%)
James G. Blaine / John A. Logan (Republican) - 3 votes (4.2%)
TOTAL: 72 votes

QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 15:35 on Jun 4, 2016

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

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ELECTION OF 1888

:siren: Click here to vote in the Election of 1888! :siren:
ELECTION WILL CLOSE SUNDAY, 12 JUNE 2016



Background:



The Election of 1884 did not go well for the Republican Party. Blaine’s barely concealed corruption caused defections from high-ranking Republicans and alienated core constituencies of the party. Though Grover Cleveland had his own failings, the Republicans were unable to capitalize on them and the party lost the presidency for the first time in twenty-four years.

Grover Cleveland had a decidedly different outlook on politics than his predecessors. Instead of viewing the presidency as a venue for promoting policy, Cleveland thought the president should serve as a non-partisan figure, a guardian to reign in the Congress when they overstepped their authority. Unsurprisingly, Cleveland soon broke records with his use of the presidential veto. He disliked using legislative solutions to address social and economic problems and prevented Congress from passing various reforms.

There was, however, one issue that Cleveland soon found himself able to champion: free trade. In his State of the Union Address in 1887, Cleveland called upon Congress to dramatically reduce American tariffs and allow foreign goods free access in the country. While the tariffs themselves had little impact on American industry, as the United States could produce most goods cheaper than competitors, the proposal divided the country along familiar lines. The Democrats, as they had in 1816, demanded a removal of all restrictions on trade. The Republicans, echoing their Whig predecessors, firmly opposed the issue and cited a need to improve American industry.

As the campaign turned towards policy issues, the two parties took steps to prevent the campaign from devolving into personal attacks, as it had in 1884. The Republicans nominated Benjamin Harrison, a respectable public figure who had little interest in exploring Cleveland’s personal history. The Democrats, meanwhile, renominated Cleveland. Reflecting his hands-off approach to politics, Cleveland has deferred almost all responsibility to his ailing running mate, Allen G. Thurman.

Thurman’s old age and his physical ailments, which include cholera, head cold, and neuralgia, has caused him to collapse repeatedly on the campaign trail. As a result, the press has focused its attention more on Thurman’s health than the contents of his speeches. Many Republicans have come to derisively refer to the Democratic campaign as “lethargic” and have criticized Cleveland for his apparent unwillingness to help his campaign, either publicly or behind the scenes. Harrison, by contrast, has given almost 100 speeches on his front porch. Harrison’s activism in the campaign represents a sharp break in political tradition and has left many wondering whether active campaigning will be the new norm for presidential candidates.

Further complicating matters for the Democrats is the Murchison Letter. Hoping to expose the Democrats as corrupt, Republican activist George Osgoodby conducted a sting operation against British Ambassador to the United States, Lionel Sackville-West. Posing as a former Englishman who had moved to California, Osgoodby asked the Ambassador how he should vote in the upcoming election. The Ambassador responded back that Cleveland was the best man from the British perspective. When the letter was publicly released two weeks before the election, it set off a national firestorm. Irish voters have threatened to vote against Cleveland en masse.


REPUBLICAN PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: Benjamin Harrison
  • Party Affiliation: Republican Party
  • Home State: Indiana
  • Notable Positions: United States Senator from Indiana, Brevet Brigadier General in the Union Army
  • Biography: Benjamin Harrison was born in 1833, the grandson of the much-forgotten William Henry Harrison. While the Harrisons enjoyed prominence in their home state of Indiana, Benjamin Harrison had early aspirations for greatness. He did not just want to be a senator or governor, he wanted to be President of the United States. He became a diligent student and astute public speaker. After graduating from Miami University, Harrison opened his own law practice and became involved in the local Republican Party. In 1862, Harrison joined the Union Army where he eventually attained the rank of brevet brigadier general. Using his war experience as a springboard, Harrison became a powerful power broker within the Republican Party and was largely responsible for the nomination of James Garfield. In 1880, the Indiana legislature named him to the Senate, where he enjoyed considerable prominence. After Grover Cleveland vetoed one of his pension bills, Harrison set out to dethrone him. While Harrison is well-known and extremely successful, he is not considered to be charismatic. Privately, many consider him cold and mechanical. He has earned the nick-name, “the human iceberg.”
  • Platform: Benjamin Harrison is a moderate Republican who believes in slow, gradual change over sudden, massive reforms. At the center of his campaign is the tariff issue. Unlike Cleveland, who has advocated for a policy of free trade, Harrison thinks that tariffs should be enlarged and expanded to protect industry, improve the wages of workers, and fuel federal revenue. Harrison has stated that he wants to use tariff revenue to replace sales taxes on things like alcohol and tobacco, which unfairly burden certain segments of the population. He also wants to use the new revenue to address major social issues, like guaranteeing pensions for veterans and their dependents, protecting African Americans from Southern harassment, and guaranteeing all African Americans access to federal education. Harrison is also in “favor of the use of both gold and silver as money, and condemns the policy of the Democratic Administration in its efforts to demonetize silver.” Harrison wants to counteract the growing influence of the railroads and possibly reserve large tracts of land for federal use, but has not stated how he would like to accomplish this goal. In international affairs, Harrison sees the United States as a rising power, one that must counteract British imperialism. In his unusual hostility towards the British, Harrison wants to expand and modernize the navy and expand American influence into the Pacific and Latin America. He is particularly interested in Hawaii, which is increasingly controlled by American businessmen. Harrison strongly opposes restrictions on immigration and was one of the few legislators to vote against the Chinese Exclusion Acts.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: Levi P. Morton
  • Party Affiliation: Republican Party
  • Home State: New York
  • Notable Positions: United States Ambassador to France, United States Representative from New York
  • Biography: Levi Morton was born in Vermont to a Congregationalist minister. Interested in business and politics at an early age, Morton left school early to work as a merchant in Massachusetts and a teacher in New Hampshire. After gaining a small pot of savings, Morton moved to New York City, where he established a dry-goods business and became a semi-successful banker. Like many wealthy business owners, Morton decided that the next logical step in his career was to secure election for national office. He ran unsuccessfully in 1876 for a seat in the House of Representatives but won the following election cycle. Having met Morton during the Grant Administration, likely nominee James A. Garfield asked Morton to be his vice president. After Morton refused, he was instead appointed to be Garfield’s Minister to France, an appointment that would drive Charles J. Guiteau to assassinate Garfield several weeks later. In this capacity, Morton is extremely capable. Under his watch, French and American relations have flourished and commercial relations have grown. In 1881, the French allowed Morton to drive the first rivet into the Statue of Liberty.
  • Platform: Levi Morton is a business Republican, more interested in strengthening American industry and its foreign prestige than any particular social issue. He identifies strongly with Harrison’s campaign platform, which emphasizes the need for high tariffs. Morton believes that tariffs will spur the development of industry, guarantee high profits, and promote high wages. Morton is also a strong advocate of the gold standard and believes that a strong currency is needed to protect American banking. Throughout his career, Morton has acted as a defender of American banks and has urged the federal government to offer more support to them. Though he is a Republican, Morton does not strongly identify with the cause of civil rights and has often viewed it as a distraction from more pressing economic issues. He would rather delay the cause of civil rights than alienate the Southern gentry, who control most of the South’s wealth.


DEMOCRATIC PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: Grover Cleveland
  • Party Affiliation: Democratic Party
  • Home State: New York
  • Notable Positions: Governor of New York, Mayor of Buffalo, New York, Sheriff of Erie County, New York
  • Biography: Grover Cleveland was born in Caldwell, New Jersey to a poor Reverend. Spending most of his childhood in central New York, where his father ministered, Cleveland had no opportunity to attend college and instead worked constantly to support his family. Though he would never attend college, he would pass the New York bar at twenty-two through sheer force of will. Cleveland was able to evade the draft during the Civil War by hiring a substitute, a decision that would advance his career in the short-run but haunt him long-term. He would be elected Sheriff of Erie County in 1870 where he cultivated a reputation as a non-partisan reformer, who nonetheless took pleasure in food, alcohol, and the like. After elected to be Mayor of Buffalo, New York, Cleveland exposed rampant corruption in his own party and oversaw a complete restructuring of Buffalo’s city government. Seeing the advantages of running an upright urban reformer against an increasingly corrupt Republican Party, the New York Republican Party nominated him for the governorship in New York. There, he vetoed what he saw as extravagant legislation intended to benefit special interest groups. He worked with local reformers in New York City to destroy Tammany Hall and gained a reputation as the hardest working politician in New York government, frequently working late hours. As a candidate for President, the Democrats have emphasized Cleveland’s status as a political outsider, a reformer, and a man of integrity. Despite recent allegations about his behavior as sheriff, Cleveland is widely perceived as a man of integrity.
  • Platform: Cleveland is a staunch political and social conservative who views the President’s role as one of a distant overseer. The President should ensure that the government is honest and effective. For this election, however, Cleveland has pushed those views aside. In his State of the Union address for 1887, Cleveland argued that American tariffs were too high and stifled the growth of the American economy. He has, thus, made free trade the centerpiece of his campaign and urged the American public to remove its restrictions on international markets so that foreign countries might reduce their tariffs in kind. He has reminded Americans that the United States is already a low-cost producer and that its current tariffs make little economic sense. Once the United States has benefited from lowering tariffs, Cleveland promises to establish a distant, “hands-off” government. He would like to remove “all unnecessary taxation” and has spent his presidency eliminating wasteful federal spending. Cleveland thinks that the National Treasury has gained an alarmingly large surplus that needs to be reduced. He strongly opposes immigration from “servile races” like the Chinese and wants to increase restrictions on Asian immigration lest they steal American jobs. In an executive order, Cleveland ordered the Union Army to return all captured Confederate battle flags to their home states. The order endeared the South but enraged the powerful Grand Army of the Republic, forcing Cleveland to rescind the order.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: Allen G. Thurman
  • Party Affiliation:
  • Home State: Ohio
  • Notable Positions: President pro tempore of the United States Senate, United States Senator from Ohio, Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Ohio, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of Ohio, United States Representative from Ohio
  • Biography: Born in Lynchburg, Virginia to a Methodist minister and former slaveowner, Thurman grew up with incredible opportunities. Pushed by his father, Thurman began studying law at an early age and apprenticed under his uncle, who would later become a United States Senator. At the age of twenty-one, Thurman’s private connections secured him a position as a private secretary to the Governor of Ohio. A few years later, he became a partner in his uncle’s law firm and was set on the path to join him in government. Thurman was elected to Congress during the Polk Administration and served as a prominent ally to them. In 1851, he left Congress to serve in the Ohio Supreme Court, where he advanced Democratic causes and policies. In 1869, he rejoined national politics, this time as a Senator. In that capacity, he became known as a hard worker and courteous speaker. Though he has since retired, Thurman is still fondly remembered in Washington.
  • Platform: Thurman is a throwback to the pre-Civil War Democratic Party and embodies the old Democratic tradition of ignoring race in favor of economic issues. Throughout his career, Thurman has pushed policies to help poor whites. He supported the Mexican-American War and tried to ban all non-white settlers from moving to the newly attained land. In the lead-up to the Civil War, he supported the Missouri Compromise. After the south’s secession, he firmly opposed the emancipation and enfranchisement of blacks, fearing that they would be easily controlled by the Republicans and create an oligarchy for the rich. Inspired by Jacksonian tradition, Thurman has consistently pushed to regulate big business and empower the less wealthy. He is a vocal critic of the railroads and wants to reign in their excessive land grants. Thurman also wants to prohibit monopolies as he considers them destructive to the political process. He supports expansive internal improvement projects to help the economy.


PROHIBITION PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: Clinton B. Fisk
  • Party Affiliation: Prohibition Party
  • Home State: New York
  • Notable Positions: Assistant Commissioner of the Freedman’s Bureau for Kentucky and Tennessee, Brevet Major General in the Union Army
  • Biography: Born in 1828 as the sixth son of a blacksmith, Fisk endured a hard childhood. In 1832, Fisk’s father died of a typhoid epidemic. The following year, his widowed mother lost all her possessions to a gang of robbers. After she remarried, Fisk’s step-father sent him away to a seminary so that he would not have to raise Clinton himself. Despite these disadvantages, Fisk was able to work his way through school. After grueling labor, he succeeded in paying his way through Michigan Central College. He briefly knew success during the 1850s as a merchant, banker, and insurance agent, but the Panic of 1857 wiped out his personal savings and left him on the brink of ruin. Because of this financial status (and his sympathies with slaves), he joined the Union Army. There, Fisk distinguished himself by counteracting Confederate raids and guerrilla attacks. After the war, he was appointed Assistant Commissioner of the Freedman’s Bureau in Kentucky and Tennessee, a position that allowed him to realize his ideas on race. Using abandoned barracks, Fisk opened the first integrated schools in the South. After the authorizing legislation for the Freedman’s Bureau expired, Fisk served the Board of Indian Commissioners where he tried to compensate the native tribes for their lost lands. He is a mid-ranking bureaucrat with some fame for his Civil War service.
  • Platform: Having succeeded again in bucking the “narrow gauge” faction of the party, the Prohibitionists have adopted a broad reformist platform that gives preference to, but does not exclusively seek, the prohibition of alcohol. In addition to securing anti-alcohol amendments to the national and state constitutions, the Prohibition Party wants to abolish the Internal Revenue Service for unfairly profiting from the liquor traffic and unfairly targeting the poor. In its place, the party promises to pay for government expenditures through tariff reform, namely by raising duties on food, clothing, and “other comforts and necessities… as will give protection both to the manufacturing employer and producing laborer against the competition of the world.” They also want workers to be granted the right to organize so that they might unite against big business. The Prohibitionists want the land monopolies to be broken up and their assets redistributed to actual settlers. Fisk also supports legislation that will guarantee equal wages for individuals regardless of sex or race, They believe that suffrage is a right that should be accessible to all people of the proper mental and moral qualifications. Though they want the Sabbath to be recognized as a national holiday and civil institution, Fisk has reminded his supporters not to oppress those who worship on other days of the week. He also supports standardizing the laws of marriage and divorce, both to promote equality and to ensure the abolition of polygamy. Fisk supports civil service reform and believes the federal bureaucracy should be a non-partisan meritocracy. He thinks current immigration laws should be enforced and supports neither strengthening or laxening current immigration law.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: John A. Brooks
  • Party Affiliation: Prohibition Party
  • Home State: Missouri
  • Notable Positions: Member of the Prohibition National Committee
  • Biography: John Anderson Brooks is a native of Kansas City, Missouri and a minor member of the Prohibition National Committee. He is a local religious leader and scholar. Very little information is known about him.
  • Platform: As a member of the Prohibition National Committee, it can be assumed that Brooks endorses his running-mate’s platform. He is likely strongly opposed to alcohol and wants it to be immediately outlawed. Little else is known about him.


UNION LABOR PARTY NOMINEES:


Presidential Nominee: Alson Streeter
  • Party Affiliation: Union Labor Party
  • Home State: Illinois
  • Notable Positions: Member of the Illinois House of Representatives
  • Biography: Alson Jenness Streeter was born in 1823 in Rensselaer County, New York. While he was still young, Streeter’s family moved to the Illinois frontier and effectively squatted on the land until the government was forced to recognize their claim. As a result of this odd upbringing, Streeter attended school irregularly and spent much of his early life in isolation. When he was 14, Streeter left home to attend a nearby manual labor college and supported himself by working as a janitor. After marrying at an early age, however, Streeter was expelled from school. He subsequently resettled in California, where he hoped to make a fortune in the gold boom. His hopes of easy fortune were crushed early on and Streeter resigned himself to herding cattle, which he did for the next ten years. Now in his thirties, Streeter and his wife returned to Illinois where they bought a small farm. He campaigned vigorously on behalf of Stephen Douglas and identified as a pro-Union Democrat “consistently opposed to the prosecution of the [Civil] War.” During the 1870s, Streeter was successfully elected to the Illinois General Assembly as a Democrat. In this capacity, he served largely as a populist, supporting regulations against the railroads but opposing measures meant to help immigrants. In 1878, Streeter joined the Greenbacks and became a vocal advocate for the movement in Illinois state politics. Despite his defection, Streeter continued to caucus with the Democrats.
  • Platform: Alson Streeter is an agrarian liberal and populist who hopes to unite the old Greenback coalition under his leadership. Unlike the party of old, however, Streeter has embraced a broad platform in an attempt to appeal to both American farmers and laborers. Streeter proposes setting maximum limits on land ownership and the nationalization of all monopolies. He wants the government to seize control of the railway, the telegraph, and the new telephone and have the government treat these services as public utilities, available at little cost to all Americans. He has also endorsed the socialist idea of a “graduated income tax,” which would require the rich to pay a larger portion of their income to the government, and service pensions. On social issues, Streeter wants men and women to be given equal pay, equal voting rights, and equal treatment under the law. He does not consider civil rights to be a major concern but he does support the direct election of U.S. senators. Streeter also wants to ban all foreign workers from the United States and prohibit all Chinese people from entering the country.


Vice-Presidential Nominee: Charles E. Cunningham
  • Party Affiliation: Greenback Party
  • Home State: Arkansas
  • Notable Positions: Officer of the Arkansas State Grange
  • Biography: Charles Cunningham was born in 1823 to a British military captain who immigrated to the United States following the War of 1812. Though both his parents died while he was young, Cunningham was able to attain a classical education due to programs operated by Virginia and Maryland. In 1849, he moved to California to try and get rich off the gold rush. When his endeavor inevitably failed, he moved to the Great Plains where he established a lucrative lumber plant and sawmill. In 1876, Cunningham became a founding member of the Arkansas Greenback Party and attended the party’s national convention in Toledo. He would subsequently run for the U.S. House of Representatives as the Greenback Party and, at one point, received almost a third of the popular vote. In 1882, he ran for governor as a member of the Agricultural Wheel, an Arkansas farmer union. He has been nominated as Streeter’s running mate because of his strong ties to farmers across the Great Plains.
  • Platform: Cunningham has two major concerns. First, he supports strict limitations on the amount of land that one person can own. He greatly fears land monopolies and believes that big business is trying to price poor farmers out of business. Second, Cunningham wants the federal government to seize control of the railroads, as he believes that they have become too powerful and threaten agrarian life. He has no other strong positions, but it can be assumed that he identifies strongly with his running mate Streeter.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
If it wasn't for his stance on immigration Streeter would probably win the Goon vote in a landslide.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Damnit, why do the Prohabitionists have to be the reasonable ones? America's gonna be the dryest country until Debs comes along.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
Still voting for theocracy for uh the third or fourth election now.

Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

rofl, Streeter is so gaddamn typical of the populist left. Tax the rich! Nationalize the utilities! gently caress no, don't improve things for non-whites. That's identity politics, and the wrong priority. I don't see why we shouldn't have a ban on muslim Chinese immigration.
:bernget:

Jump King
Aug 10, 2011

IDK, for all the extremist tickets we voted for on the basis of their anti racism, I think I can give this one to Streeter for the women's rights stance alone. We should throw them a bone for once imo

Thump!
Nov 25, 2007

Look, fat, here's the fact, Kulak!



MMM Whatchya Say posted:

IDK, for all the extremist tickets we voted for on the basis of their anti racism, I think I can give this one to Streeter for the women's rights stance alone. We should throw them a bone for once imo

I'll pick a few for him from that graveyard for non-people building railroads.

Andorra
Dec 12, 2012
"[Fisk] thinks current immigration laws should be enforced and supports neither strengthening or laxening current immigration law."



What were the current laws?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Andorra posted:

"[Fisk] thinks current immigration laws should be enforced and supports neither strengthening or laxening current immigration law."



What were the current laws?

chinese go home

UrbicaMortis
Feb 16, 2012

Hmm, how shall I post today?

Raskolnikov38 posted:

chinese go home

How do you strengthen that? Genocide?

Jump King
Aug 10, 2011

I think it wasn't literally that, that would have been the strengthening?

Tritanomalicious
Mar 14, 2008

A dog, A barrel... RIDICULOUS!
I'm very excited that I was notified of this thread's existence from elsewhere on the forum. Thank you for allowing us to destroy build this nation as we see fit.

QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
T O P

Andorra posted:

"[Fisk] thinks current immigration laws should be enforced and supports neither strengthening or laxening current immigration law."



What were the current laws?

The Alien Enemies Act of 1798: Sets the residency requirement for naturalization to 14 years; allows the president to deport or imprison aliens who are " "dangerous to the peace and safety of the United States;"
Page Act of 1875: Classified all Asian laborers as "undesirables;"
Chinese Exclusion Act: Prohibited the immigration of Chinese laborers for ten years and prohibited the naturalization of Chinese subjects currently living in the United States. Codified deportation procedures for certain kinds of Chinese residents; and
Alien Contract Labor Law: Prohibited persons and companies from importing contract laborers.

Also note that United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) has not happened yet, so the status of the Chinese children born in the United States is nebulous and undefined. There's no guarantee that they would be considered citizens, as we might expect today.

QuoProQuid has issued a correction as of 17:42 on Jun 4, 2016

Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

Thump! posted:

I'll pick a few for him from that graveyard for non-people building railroads.

:drat:

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone

quote:

He also wants to use the new revenue to address major social issues, like guaranteeing pensions for veterans and their dependents, protecting African Americans from Southern harassment, and guaranteeing all African Americans access to federal education. Harrison is also in “favor of the use of both gold and silver as money, and condemns the policy of the Democratic Administration in its efforts to demonetize silver.” Harrison wants to counteract the growing influence of the railroads and possibly reserve large tracts of land for federal use, but has not stated how he would like to accomplish this goal... Harrison strongly opposes restrictions on immigration and was one of the few legislators to vote against the Chinese Exclusion Acts.

Sounds good to me.

Empress Theonora
Feb 19, 2001

She was a sword glinting in the depths of night, a lance of light piercing the darkness. There would be no mistakes this time.
Voting for Harrison so that we can finally complete the work of the Revolution and vanquish the British once and for all.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.
What's with this fuckin' Cleveland guy? He lost miserably and now he's back. He'll go away after this time around, right?

frankenfreak
Feb 16, 2007

I SCORED 85% ON A QUIZ ABOUT MONDAY NIGHT RAW AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS LOUSY TEXT

#bastionboogerbrigade
If it wasn't for his stance on the immigration laws, I'd vote Fisk. As it stands, I'll vote for Harrison and hope he will outlast his grandfather in office.

Jump King
Aug 10, 2011

Yeah I totally get the whole thing about the immigration but it'd also be nice to vote for women's rights for like, just one election.

There is a ticket with better immigration stances though, but it's not like he had a great track record with native americans, so it's no rose garden over there either.

Corek
May 11, 2013

by R. Guyovich
We've reached the "so obscure there's no Wikipedia page" stage of Prohibition Party biographies.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

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Benjamin Harrison is ranked as a pretty bad president, historically, but dammit, he has better positions than Prohibition, Union Labor, and obviously the Treason Party Democrats.

Benjamin Harrison posted:

I cannot always sympathize with that demand which we hear so frequently for cheap things. Things may be too cheap. They are too cheap when the man or woman who produces them upon the farm or the man or woman who produces them in the factory does not get out of them living wages with a margin for old age and for a dowry for the incidents that are to follow. I pity the man who wants a coat so cheap that the man or woman who produces the cloth or shapes it into a garment will starve in the process.

Benjamin Harrison posted:

God forbid that the day should ever come when, in the American mind, the thought of man as a 'consumer' shall submerge the old American thought of man as a creature of God, endowed with 'unalienable rights'.

Benjamin Harrison posted:

I earnestly invoke the attention of Congress to the consideration of such measures within its well-defined constitutional powers as will secure to all our people a free exercise of the right of suffrage and every other civil right under the Constitution and laws of the United States. No evil, however deplorable, can justify the assumption either on the part of the Executive or of Congress of powers not granted, but both will be highly blamable if all the powers granted are not wisely but firmly used to correct these evils. The power to take the whole direction and control of the election of members of the House of Representatives is clearly given to the General Government. A partial and qualified supervision of these elections is now provided for by law, and in my opinion this law may be so strengthened and extended as to secure on the whole better results than can be attained by a law taking all the processes of such election into Federal control. The colored man should be protected in all of his relations to the Federal Government, whether as litigant, juror, or witness in our courts, as an elector for members of Congress, or as a peaceful traveler upon our interstate railways.

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Mountaineer
Aug 29, 2008

Imagine a rod breaking on a robot face - forever
As a long-time Greenback voter I'm worried by the Republicans' stance on the gold standard, but I'm leaning towards Harrison anyway.

e: Gotta say, I don't care for Levi Morton though. I guess around now is when the Republicans are shifting from progressive stances to FYGM capitalism?

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QuoProQuid
Jan 12, 2012

Tr*ckin' and F*ckin' all the way to tha
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Lycus posted:

What's with this fuckin' Cleveland guy? He lost miserably and now he's back. He'll go away after this time around, right?

I like how the Democrats have been reduced to a minor party whose last stay in national office was in 1833 under John Quincy Adams. Somehow, the Republicans and the Prohibitionists seem like the only parties able to consistently get votes. Meanwhile, there's a revolving door of third parties that can't last more than two election cycles.

House Speaker elections must be fun.


Mountaineer posted:

As a long-time Greenback voter I'm worried by the Republicans' stance on the gold standard, but I'm leaning towards Harrison anyway.

e: Gotta say, I don't care for Levi Morton though. I guess around now is when the Republicans are shifting from progressive stances to FYGM capitalism?

The business wing has been around since the beginning. It's only over the next few elections that business interests and issues like civil rights will start to diverge.

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