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SonicRulez posted:In light of the new movie, I wanted to ask just a general opinion question. When you think of the X-Men, who's on the team? Giant Size X-Men #1 lineup definitely, give or take Thunderbird
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Jun 4, 2016 20:11
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Basically the Giant-Size #1 team except with Jean and Rogue instead of Banshee and Thunderbird.
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Jun 4, 2016 20:38
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KittyEmpress posted:Scott, Jean, Kitty, Kurt, Logan, Ororo, Rogue, and Hank. This plus Colossus and Gambit. In two teams.
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Jun 4, 2016 22:17
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Inkspot posted:This plus Colossus and Gambit. In two teams. Gold and Blue teams all the way, with Wolverine somehow on both at the same time.
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Jun 4, 2016 22:30
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I'm probably a combo of the cartoon line-up and Whedon's run. So, like, Cyclops, Emma, Beast, Storm, Rogue, Gambit, Colossus, Wolverine and Kitty.
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Jun 4, 2016 22:44
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Original five + Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Shadowcat, and Rogue. I doubt think having an "iconic X-Men team" is true to the spirit of the franchise but that's who my mind goes to.
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Jun 4, 2016 22:46
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Alright, I have to ask, in that famous Ali vs. Superman issue, who, if anybody, actually wins the boxing match?
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Jun 4, 2016 22:53
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Ali kicks Superman's rear end.
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Jun 4, 2016 22:54
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SonicRulez posted:In light of the new movie, I wanted to ask just a general opinion question. When you think of the X-Men, who's on the team? Nightcrawler, Storm, Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Rogue, Angel, and in my heart, Jubilee. This is a cool question. There have been so many iconic X-men teams that people are bound to have different ideas of what they are and cross-pollinate with some of their own favourite members who weren't on a given iconic team.
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Jun 4, 2016 23:17
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As someone who doesn't actually read xmen, I always come up with a combo of 90s cartoon xmen and the arcade game, so like the cartoon team plus colossus and nightcrawler I guess.
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Jun 4, 2016 23:52
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qntm posted:Alright, I have to ask, in that famous Ali vs. Superman issue, who, if anybody, actually wins the boxing match? Superman takes a dive, if I remember correctly. Or it was like...a clone or impersonation thing? Either way, Ali wins, but it's not 'clean'.
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Jun 5, 2016 00:16
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No, it's clean. The fight's on another planet with a red sun so no powers, but Ali knocks his rear end out.
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Jun 5, 2016 00:21
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We sold our incredibly high grade copy of that book 11 days ago for a very fair price so of course I expect it to sky rocket in value now.
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Jun 5, 2016 00:27
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site posted:As someone who doesn't actually read xmen, I always come up with a combo of 90s cartoon xmen and the arcade game, so like the cartoon team plus colossus and nightcrawler I guess. No Dazzler? And does Wolverine sound Australian?
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Jun 5, 2016 02:05
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My perfect X-team has 13 members, perfect for splitting up into Blue and Gold teams. Cyclops Jean Wolverine Beast Rogue Gambit Kitty Storm (Arch)angel Iceman Colossus Nightcrawler Psylocke
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Jun 5, 2016 02:46
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Cyclops, Storm, Wolverine, Jean, Beast, Nightcrawler, Jubilee
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Jun 5, 2016 03:55
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I thought of X-Men, and this is the stream of consciousness that came out. Wolverine (X-Men arcade, tan costume), nineties Cyclops (Jean!), nineties Jean (Scott!), Nightcrawler, Archangel, Colossus. Juggernaut is a cool villain. Magneto and Sentinels are pretty great too. Iceman (Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends), Beast, and then I started thinking about the Wolverine book with Patch and Mr Fixit in their tuxedos on the cover.
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Jun 5, 2016 04:38
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You are all crazy for including Beast.
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Jun 5, 2016 04:40
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I feel the same way but about Jean.
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Jun 5, 2016 05:14
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Aphrodite posted:You are all crazy for including Beast. what
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Jun 5, 2016 05:42
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He is a bad character.
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Jun 5, 2016 06:04
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Beast only became a bad character after House of M. Prior to that he was just a goofy blue dude who was really smart and wanted to enjoy life.
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Jun 5, 2016 06:37
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CharlestheHammer posted:He is a bad character. He is awesome when paired up with Wonder Man
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Jun 5, 2016 07:17
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Beast is a good character when they're not stupidly trying to shoehorn him into boring morally-ambiguous plotlines.
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Jun 5, 2016 07:24
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The problem is they weren't ambiguous they were usually him being a dick.
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Jun 5, 2016 07:26
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Aphrodite posted:No, it's clean. The fight's on another planet with a red sun so no powers, but Ali knocks his rear end out. Ali also works out his secret identity.
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Jun 5, 2016 09:18
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SonicRulez posted:In light of the new movie, I wanted to ask just a general opinion question. When you think of the X-Men, who's on the team? The Animated Series cast, except Beast and Colossus are permanent members, and Jean is dead. And Xavier is in charge, not stupid Cyclops.
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Jun 5, 2016 09:56
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Lurdiak posted:The Animated Series cast, except Beast and Colossus are permanent members, and Jean is dead. Beast was a permanent member, he had a spot in the theme song. He just spent like the entire series in jail.
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Jun 5, 2016 14:41
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Beast is arrested in episode one of the first season, goes to trial partway through (but it's disrupted by the Friends of Humanity), then receives a pardon in the season finale. However, there's definitely far fewer episodes where he's the main character, and those he does have aren't terribly memorable. There's the one where he cures blindness to help his blind girlfriend (who I'm fairly sure never appears again after that), but that's about it.
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Jun 5, 2016 14:55
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The lack of Iceman intrigues me. I'd say Cyclops, Wolverine, Storm, JEEEEEEEEEEEEEAN, Kitty, Colossus, Beast, Rogue, Iceman, and Nightcrawler. Juggernaut and Magneto are both heels. Xavier is not doing any Ambiguous Moral Choice (TM) storylines. Jean's not doing Phoenix poo poo either. Android Blues posted:Nightcrawler, Storm, Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Rogue, Angel, and in my heart, Jubilee. I was really curious about seeing if age played into it. Like if you were into the 90's cartoon it makes sense that you'd have Gambit and not bother with Angel. Or if you started with Giant Size, you'd have Colossus and prolly still not give a poo poo about Angel. I'm also always curious about which relatively new characters have any traction. I wanted to see if any X-Men created in the 2000's have any fans. Like maybe some wildcard would throw out X-23.
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Jun 5, 2016 17:04
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I like X-23 but I think she works better off the main X-Men team. I wouldn't put Iceman or Angel on the team and I could live without Beast. The original 5 are kind of boring tbh.
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Jun 5, 2016 17:19
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My introduction was through a strange amalgam of the 90's cartoon osmosis (never watched it, but pop culture soaked in) and pogs, so I always thought of the team as Professor X, Jean Grey, Cyclops, Wolverine, Jubilee, Storm, Beast, Rogue, and Gambit, with special appearances by Bishop, Cable, and Archangel. They were all opposed by Magneto and his buddies, the Sentinels. No idea how I settled on all them, but there you go. Weirder still, at a book fair in about the 4th grade I picked up the novelization of Giant Size X-Men #1, so I was cool adding guys like Banshee, Colossus, and Nightcrawler to the mix (appropriately enough I immediately forgot about Thunderbird and Sunfire), but was baffled by who the gently caress these Havok and Polaris characters were or why I should care. More than 2 decades later I'm still trying to sort out what is real versus what my sugar fueled imagination cooked up.
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Jun 5, 2016 17:20
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My perception of X-Men seems to stem from the old toyline before the cartoon. tan costume Wolverine, Nightcrawler with the suction cups, missile firing Archangel, and Colossus with exciting barbell lifting action. I was Wolverine that year (1991) for Halloween. The costume was pretty much just a hard plastic mask, and a hard plastic glove that you could slide the claws out. Google shows that there was a yellow and blue repaint.
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SonicRulez posted:I'm also always curious about which relatively new characters have any traction. I wanted to see if any X-Men created in the 2000's have any fans. Like maybe some wildcard would throw out X-23. Chris Claremont is a factor here, certainly, though not for his qualities as a writer so much as the fact that he was the X-Men writer for so long that he was able to introduce loads of characters and, crucially, give them quite a lot of development. Conversely, I think that from 2000 or so on, there's just too many books with too many writers who don't stay on long enough to really establish a character, and every writer wants to push their character (who's almost always "the next Wolverine" or "the next Kitty Pryde"), but their successors don't share their interest. For example, in Astonishing X-Men, Whedon was clearly very keen to push Armor as the 21st century's Kitty Pryde, but nobody else who wrote X-Men after him was and the character fell into abeyance. I feel as though X-23 has managed to be at least a bit of an exception because she was introduced in the Evolution cartoon and brought across to the comics, so she had pre-existing characteristics which writers could explore, rather than being any particular creator's pet.
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When I think of X-men as an iconic brand, I mostly think of the '92 cartoon line-up, with more Archangel and Emma Frost, but less Gambit and Jubilee. When I think of X-men as a comic that I care at all to read, I think of the Morrison run and the line-up from that. If I were given leave to write any X-men line-up I wanted for at least 24 issues for Marvel, I'd probably steal an idea from one of my old posts and do Fantomex teaching a stylish crime-class to a medium-sized group of young X-folks, with Cyclops as the stern, disapproving dean whose dictates they have to work against. Also, the Iconic Brand villains are Magneto, Juggernaut, Sentinels, Apocalypse, and Mr. Sinister. The Iconic Brand stories are Dark Phoenix Saga and either Age of Apocalypse or Days of Future Past with added AoA flavoring. Cable eventually appears, but isn't long-term main cast. At some point, an Iconic Brand X-men thing has to involve Wolverine confronting his Weapon X past somehow.
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Jun 5, 2016 18:47
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I like the term "Iconic Brand" - similarly, just about every writer who takes on the Fantastic Four seems like they want to: 1) Write a definitive Doom story 2) Write a definitive Galactus story 3) Write a story where a substitute member joins the team 4) Write a story where Ben becomes human 5) Write a story where Johnny finally grows up (again)
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Jun 5, 2016 20:04
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In a couple pages I'mma do this with The Avengers.Squizzle posted:Also, the Iconic Brand villains are Magneto, Juggernaut, Sentinels, Apocalypse, and Mr. Sinister. The Iconic Brand stories are Dark Phoenix Saga and either Age of Apocalypse or Days of Future Past with added AoA flavoring. Cable eventually appears, but isn't long-term main cast. At some point, an Iconic Brand X-men thing has to involve Wolverine confronting his Weapon X past somehow. Magneto includes the whole Brotherhood, right? Cause Mystique just got robbed. I'd also add Sabretooth to that list. Wheat Loaf posted:I like the term "Iconic Brand" - similarly, just about every writer who takes on the Fantastic Four seems like they want to: It's like how every Aquaman writer MUST tell the story that makes him awesome and badass and he does NOT talk to fish.
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Jun 5, 2016 20:53
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SonicRulez posted:It's like how every Aquaman writer MUST tell the story that makes him awesome and badass and he does NOT talk to fish. Yes, or how every writer wants to be the guy who finally fixes Hank Pym.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:22
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Wheat Loaf posted:I like the term "Iconic Brand" - similarly, just about every writer who takes on the Fantastic Four seems like they want to: The best thing to do is check this list against John Byrne's entries and laugh at how hilariously bad his run has aged.
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The Byrne Thing that always gets me is how many times he tried to capture that Dark Phoenix lightning in a bottle. In both his West Coast Avengers and Fantastic Four, a powerful lady character goes out of control and needs a stern talking-to from her teammates before her gyrating uterus destroys the fabric of reality or w/e. That's Wanda's demonic toaster-babies in WCA, and Malice in FF. John Byrne, he's bad.
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