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End of Life Guy posted:It's gonna be a W/G werewolf that pumps toughness and shits sheep tokens or some such dumb thing because it tested well with casuals. Luckily we already have a W/G token-shitter in SOI. I'm hoping that the R/G werewolf legend is actually a werewolf, unlike that time Maro claimed that looking like a minotaur in the art and having flavor connections to minotaur qualified Mogis to be the B/R minotaur legend.
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Elyv posted:Window breaking theme deck with Mayor, Mardu Shadowspear, Relentless Dead Shard of broken glass  Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:I'm hoping that the R/G werewolf legend is actually a werewolf, unlike that time Maro claimed that looking like a minotaur in the art and having flavor connections to minotaur qualified Mogis to be the B/R minotaur legend. As someone who played a fuckton of minotaur tribal, I can confirm that mogis not being an actual minotaur was a huge drag. Still fun to shout and demand tribute from other players though. MoreLikeTen fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Jun 5, 2016 14:48
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Thought-experiment: imagine the new warhammer "role playing" rules applied to magic. Get extra draws, scry, or other effects for shouting a catchphrase, holding a goblet up for m'lady, smashing a nearby window, or dressing up as a phyrexian gooberlord.
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Jun 5, 2016 15:09
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The idea of the flip trigger is that if no-one's doing anything it's 'night', and if people are doing things it's now day again. That kindof works but tends to be clunky in-game. They probably could have explored other triggers (like just every upkeep) or done more designs like Duskwatch Recruiter that aren't horrible on their front side and which have a mana sink to help them flip.
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Jun 5, 2016 15:10
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Build it into the rules that it becomes night or day every five minutes and have some TO announce it to everyone, boom flavor solved
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vanov posted:Build it into the rules that it becomes night or day every five minutes and have some TO announce it to everyone, boom flavor solved Player 2: dude, hurry up! Player 1: (long pause), attack with this guy Player 2: block with my bigger dude TO: (ominous clock strikes twelve sound) Player 1: transform my guy , your guy will die Player 2: ok, well before damage, I'm going to the bathroom for 5 minutes
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Jun 5, 2016 15:56
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logis posted:Player 2: dude, hurry up! I don't see the problem. I think werewolves would be improved without being made broken if the condition to flip was you not casting a spell on your turn as opposed to any one. This way your opponent doesn't smugly cast an instance at the end of the turn.
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JerryLee posted:Well, the "entire idea behind" zombies is that they're once-living but now dead and partially decayed people who were reanimated out of the ground, and that's a significant part of their horror, but most of the time I can just cast a card that resembles them in that reanimated-out-of-the-ground state and not have to deal with a front face that depicts some or all of that person's life, untimely death, and funeral service. and the card that did this was one of the biggest flavour slam dunks in the original block  
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End of Life Guy posted:It's gonna be a W/G werewolf that pumps toughness and shits sheep tokens or some such dumb thing because it tested well with casuals. A shepherd that shits out sheep tokens and transforms into a werewolf that eats them for upside would actually be awesome
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Mr. Jive posted:A shepherd that shits out sheep tokens and transforms into a werewolf that eats them for upside would actually be awesome Yeah, 0/1 sheep tokens, you can sac them to gain 2 life or something
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SCG having issues? Stream seems offline.
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Molybdenum posted:Yeah, 0/1 sheep tokens, you can sac them to gain 2 life or something Gain two life, give a werewolf +2/+2 or a creature -1/-1/ Ewezamas Jitte
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Sickening posted:SCG having issues? Stream seems offline. Yep. 20 mins ago they said they're working on it and will be up ASAP, but no real timeline.
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Snacksmaniac posted:Gain two life, give a werewolf +2/+2 or a creature -1/-1/ 
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a werewolf shepherd is really good flavor for innistrad as a whole but unfortunately it was already done last time for a lovely card that did nothing with it
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As for a legendary werewolf, how about a 1/1 that flips into a 0/0 that gets a counter every time something flips (including itself?). Maybe something that would prevent it from dying if you get the triggers wrong.
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odiv posted:As for a legendary werewolf, how about a 1/1 that flips into a 0/0 that gets a counter every time something flips (including itself?). Maybe something that would prevent it from dying if you get the triggers wrong. The ability is on both sides? So it just gets smaller in wolf form?
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Procrastinator posted:and the card that did this was one of the biggest flavour slam dunks in the original block You mean the card I mentioned a sentence or two after the ones you quoted, observing that its flavor was incredibly cool but would be incredibly tedious to have on every Zombie in Innistrad? That card? Snacksmaniac posted:Gain two life, give a werewolf +2/+2 or a creature -1/-1/ 
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Dr. Stab posted:The ability is on both sides? So it just gets smaller in wolf form? Nah, I was just thinking the ability would be on the one side. It would only stay the same size or get bigger when it flipped into a wolf. But yeah, back and forth would make for some awkward triggering I think and plenty of chances for feelbads.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:The actual mechanical trigger for transforming them feels pretty arbitrary though. It doesn't really have a clear flavor, and "don't cast anything during your turn" clashes a bit with the RG Aggro approach that werewolves seem like they're meant to take. I would say that "casting no spells" is an abstraction of a nighttime lack of activity, after everyone's gone to bed, while two spells is a daytime surge. EDIT: Irony Be My Shield posted:The idea of the flip trigger is that if no-one's doing anything it's 'night', and if people are doing things it's now day again. That kindof works but tends to be clunky in-game. They probably could have explored other triggers (like just every upkeep) or done more designs like Duskwatch Recruiter that aren't horrible on their front side and which have a mana sink to help them flip. Yah, what he said.
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I didn't even pick up on the day/night thing, I just figured it's always kinda quiet and spooky right before werewolves transform in the movies. You always get a shot of the moon and/or a couple getting busy in a secluded location, not a bunch of people doing taxes and yelling.
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in hindsight building the cool aggro tribe around a mechanic that requires you to sit around not doing anything wasn't quite the flavour home run Wizards anticipated
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ZeroCount posted:in hindsight building the cool aggro tribe around a mechanic that requires you to sit around not doing anything wasn't quite the flavour home run Wizards anticipated they're the midrange tribe, vampires are the aggro tribe (humans are also...kind of?)
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A werewolf deck needs things to do with its mana on the turn the player controlling them decides not to do anything to flip them. Stuff like duskwatch recruiter and activated abilities that only cost mana help a lot, and lend a midrange flavor to the deck. Good instants help as well.
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The SOI werewolves cost 1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5. (avg. 2.9) I dunno felt like bringing it up.
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So what metagame shift, if any, caused Wheel of Sun and Moon to jump up to $15ish, up from the $4-5 it was the last time I looked at it?
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C-Euro posted:So what metagame shift, if any, caused Wheel of Sun and Moon to jump up to $15ish, up from the $4-5 it was the last time I looked at it? 8 bucks lightly played on TCGPlayer all day
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My best guess is its flexibility. It nerfs any dredge decks plus gives you good defense against mill strategies. EDIT: Also it nerfs Melira/Anafenza shenanigans, Snapcaster Mage, delve strategies. It's pretty good to have handy. Emerson Cod fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Jun 6, 2016 01:46
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Until proven otherwise you should assume it's mtg finance
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Shadowmoor/Eventide prices are all over the fuckin' map. Also Wheel is a fun casual card because it allows you to play your cards forever. At least, that's what I see it as.
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rabidsquid posted:Until proven otherwise you should assume it's mtg finance this is 100% correct Elyv fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jun 6, 2016 |
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Seth Manfield wins yet another GP
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rabidsquid posted:Until proven otherwise you should assume it's mtg finance Yep. Rest In Peace blew up whatever fringe playability Wheel had. Now you'd have to be in a deck that can pay its mana cost, that wants the constant replacement effect grave hate, but not Rest In Peace's symmetry. This reduces the list of decks that play it to near nothing. Only list of any notability to have ran it in the last two years is this thing. This was nearly two months ago. So unless this weekend has just had some crazy wheel nonsense it's based on nothing.
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It's because EDMN will have a "bottom of library" theme and Wheel will be the centerpiece of modern's new most broken deck.
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speaking of #mtgfinance apparently someone bought out all the NM/M Libraries of Alexandria
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i heard some idiot nerds wanted to start playing vintage because of ema.... http://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/11943
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It is played as mono green devotion SB tech vs. graveyard strategies. still isn't good.
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You may laugh at my Wheelbarrow of Sun and Moon now, but we'll see who looks silly when they print Future Sight But For The Bottom Of Your Library.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:It's because EDMN will have a "bottom of library" theme and Wheel will be the centerpiece of modern's new most broken deck. Finally a chance to print canal dredger on modo.
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