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Lemon-Lime posted:Shame the LMGs really require silencers to shine. This hasn't been true since October.
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chairface posted:There's more gas cans than are needed in hotline miami day 1 too. The extras are just extras and not for anything. A lot of maps with C4 drops don't have you use all the C4 either. I know that, but before this I thought there were only 2 cans in slaughterhouse altogether. I was wondering if the 3rd can was added recently and if it was, did it serve some other  secret purpose?
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Concordat posted:Shooting at the window of the armored car at the beginning of the heist makes it so it lands front-down into the slaughterhouse, with wires holding it up that you need to shoot. This is how you get the achievement for just waiting for it to fall. Word of Long Guide is it actually entirely depends on shooting the windshield or not, without any random chance. If you shoot it it falls front-first, if you don't it falls back-first. Front-first is generally better.
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Jun 5, 2016 20:31
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Laputanmachine posted:I know that, but before this I thought there were only 2 cans in slaughterhouse altogether. I was wondering if the 3rd can was added recently and if it was, did it serve some other please do not trigger vox
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Lemon-Lime posted:I made an Oppressor/Tank/Ammo Specialist build with an AK-74 and Micro-Uzi and I fully intend to spend my entire life spraying down cops at torso level from the hip and never aim down my sights at anything. You haven't tried LMGs lately.
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Lemon-Lime posted:After loving around with pistols a bit, the advantage you get from having 180 damage with a six shot, slow reload weapon versus just using a White Streak or Baby Deagle (which do 120 damage but have magazines 2-3 times the size) doesn't seem to be there, even with the rate of fire difference. What's the draw for revolvers, specifically? One shotting is pretty significant, at least IMO. The Bronco also has a niche use case for allowing concealed flamethrower and minigun builds since it can be made up for 33 concealment without also becoming a lovely gun. TSBX posted:On Slaughterhouse, sometimes I've seen the truck hang, and once it was on the floor. Is it random or is there a way to bring it down? It's not random. If you shoot out the windows of the truck as it's driving it will always fall front first, which gives you more cover in the warehouse. If you shoot the windows of the Murky vans that are escorting it, the vans will also flip over and fewer Murky soldiers will be waiting for you as run to the warehouse. Lemon-Lime posted:Shame the LMGs really require silencers to shine. This is patently untrue. Silencers are a universal buff to any gun that can have them, but LMGs themselves have been really good - and been continuously buffed - since the Crimefest rebalance. I'm probably biased though since I have been saying LMGs have been good long before everybody else jumped on them.
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i'm pretty sure that the way LMGs are set up right now they get like 5-8 points of stability/accuracy from being fartgun specced vs using a compensator of some flavor the days of an LMG requiring a fartgun spec to hit important break points, especially in damage, are gone.
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Jun 5, 2016 20:48
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My problem with LMGs is that you can't get to 90 accuracy/stability, which makes hitting with them while full auto firing on the move fairly hard beyond short ranges. The bipod's great but it requires you to be stationary when I prefer to run around spraying like an idiot.  It's not just the stability bonus, it's also the +8 accuracy you get from the Bigger silencer + silencer skills compared to just using a compensator. e; I mean, just to illustrate my point:   The difference isn't just on paper - the silenced version is noticeably easier to control full auto than the loud version. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Jun 5, 2016 20:50
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Oh my god you don't need 90 accuracy
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Jun 5, 2016 20:52
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Dr Cheeto posted:Oh my god you don't need 90 accuracy You're right. You need 100 accuracy. Use the RPG.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:13
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Skunkrocker posted:You're right. You need 100 accuracy. Use the RPG. It's the #1 counter-sniping weapon!
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Jun 5, 2016 21:14
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Seriously though, why do you need 90 accuracy/stability? Particularly since at any point you can bipod up for a second or two if you've got to take really long-distance shots.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:36
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My KSP has like 44 accuracy and it's perfect for firing continuously at head level
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Jun 5, 2016 21:40
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I'm noticing some really bad ammo pickup rates with the loco even with the Enforcer ammo scrounger, so I'm assuming there was a general nerf to ammo rates to compete with Shotgun's return to high rate of fire and damage shenanigans?
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Ammo rates got reduced to 1% to 3.5% in the beta, and I'm assuming the same changes went into the live game.Dr Cheeto posted:My KSP has like 44 accuracy and it's perfect for firing continuously at head level My Hungry Wolf is locked at 52 accuracy and I'd rather trade 12 accuracy points for 12 stability.
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Jun 5, 2016 21:46
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Mi amigo, I have found the problem: Don't use the Brenner.
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Dr Cheeto posted:Mi amigo, I have found the problem: Why not? There's barely any difference between the RPK and Brenner's stats (Brenner to RPK is -4 acc, +4 stab) and the Brenner has 50% more magazine (in exchange for a reload that's 0.5s longer with Lock & Load). Tempest_56 posted:Seriously though, why do you need 90 accuracy/stability? Particularly since at any point you can bipod up for a second or two if you've got to take really long-distance shots. Because getting those means the gun is always laser-accurate during sustained fire rather than only when stationary and deployed, which is really nice. But yes, you're right, it's a personal preference rather than something I truly need. The issue is really that I was trying to mod for accuracy instead of stability, and getting more accuracy is pointless up close and not needed at range because of the bipod, whereas more stability = better control while spraying. All I needed to do was use competitor's instead of tactical to make the LMGs feel a lot nicer to use. Lemon-Lime fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Jun 5, 2016 |
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Jun 5, 2016 22:12
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FN MAG for life  Lemon-Lime posted:Because getting those means the gun is always laser-accurate during sustained fire rather than only when stationary and deployed, which is really nice. But yes, you're right, it's a personal preference rather than something I truly need.
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UnknownMercenary posted:My Hungry Wolf is locked at 52 accuracy and I'd rather trade 12 accuracy points for 12 stability. You have a Hungry Wolf? Mad jelly over here.
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While I'm at it, what are people generally using with Marksman builds, DMRs or sniper rifles?
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LuciferMorningstar posted:You have a Hungry Wolf? Mad jelly over here. Sometimes I can't tell when you're being sincere but yes. I also know the owners for two of the three Astatozs (how is this even written as a plural) known to exist.
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UnknownMercenary posted:Sometimes I can't tell when you're being sincere Totally sincere. The KSP 58 is v good IMO.
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It's pretty nice looking. Since they got all the stability skills working properly when the skill beta went live, I've had less issues using it since the designer who made the stats for the Hungry Wolf is really bad at gun modding and modded the thing for accuracy. Incoming wankery post about how I emptied my Steam wallet this past week that you are free to ignore !!! The Hungry Wolf has some weird stats where, besides being modded for accuracy, as far as I can tell it doesn't have any sort of barrel extension since it just works off of base damage + the 5% from Fast and Furious. Also you can't actually see the shopping list written on the belt magazine unless you max out the in-game FOV, and I sure as gently caress am not doing that after spending 2000+ hours at the default FOV setting just to jerk off to my expensive crap.     Akimbo Crosskills aren't that great, especially since akimbo Interceptors/Chimano Customs exist, but the twin references to both Face/Off and The Terminator make these cool. For those not in the know, Nic Cage wields akimbo golden 1911s in Face/Off and Arnie uses a 1911 clone with a goofy rear end 1980s laser attached to it. The 1980s lasers are also really obstructive, but it's a good thing you can get akimbo pistols to 100 accuracy now so I just hip-fire them whenever possible. These things also have a great bug where anybody with the "Use HQ weapons" setting ticked off in the video options can't join somebody who has them equipped.       The GL40 skin from the Jimmy collection is actually pretty tepid. Most of those Jimmy skins as a whole are rather boring; I'll likely sell this bad boy.  Sydney skins are selling at ridiculous prices but at least the Baby Deagle skin has dropped from 100 dollars (which literally nobody paid) to ~15 (which people are still reluctant to pay but are). Don't have that one but I have these; the Stryk one in particular is the best of the lot.   
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Lemon-Lime posted:Why not? There's barely any difference between the RPK and Brenner's stats (Brenner to RPK is -4 acc, +4 stab) and the Brenner has 50% more magazine (in exchange for a reload that's 0.5s longer with Lock & Load). Honestly, the RPK used to be so much better but now they're about the same. I hadn't checked since Crimefest. For what it's worth LMGs need stability way more than they need accuracy, and the Brenner has worse horizontal recoil which is harder to compensate for unless you're just used to that particular gun. Neither of them are nearly as good as the KSP or MG42, though. Low-accuracy guns are more fun when you're spraying and picking up many more bullets. If you sweat the fact your bullets are doing less than 39.9 damage a pop just dump a single point in Underdog or something and you'll have it whenever it might actually matter.
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Jun 6, 2016 00:25
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Cook-out is incredibly bugged right now.
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I can't tell if my internet is bad or if the Netcode is really awful. The Payday 2 experience!
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I'm sitting here worrying if I can eat and now I'm suddenly compelled to fill up my steam wallet. (I'm not actually going to do that before I'm financially stable again)
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Klaus88 posted:Cook-out is incredibly bugged right now. How so?
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I can attest to Cook Off being bugged. For my experience, the sound slowly cut out: First gunshot sounds went away, then melee attacks and environmental voice lines like police and teammate yells, then Bain's lines and audio subtitles blinked out completely, which made it impossible to do. I also took the last few rounds out of an ammo bag, left the empty bag laying there, and then when I tried to use it again out of morbid curiosity, the game hardlocked and CTDed. Overkill!
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Jun 6, 2016 04:17
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Also Wilko I PM'd you those crashlogs.
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Can definitely attest to that sound bug, feels like in a long mission you just slowly lose sound and sometimes it crashes out after the map ends.
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Wasn't the sound slowly disappearing and then crashing a symptom of the old dead cops not disappearing bug?
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I know I've had that bug at Hotline Miami at some point, but it went away on it's own. It had the same symptoms, but the game would crash on it's own at some point.
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Impressions of latest big changes: 1) Grinder nerfed, so back to Techforcer like it's 2013. Only this time Techforcers can actually run rather fast. 2) CAR-4 is a monster once again, although due to reduced ammo pickup rates you do need to dip into ammo bags once in a while. 3) 14 trip mines seems a bit of an excessive number. Haven't tried the skill that lets them lay down a carpet of fire, which sounds a bit goofy to me. 4) Staggering shields by shooting at them is a good, a new way to kill them from distance rather than bringing Judge every single mission. 5) SMGs are DW-viable at last. 6) Is it me of can anybody use akimbo now, without having to equip a skill or perk deck like previously? 7) Good that you can re-spec individual skills unlike previously when you had to re-spec an entire tree after a single wrong move. Bonus: skills no longer cost imaginary internet money so I can accumulate more of that. Overall, fairly happy with the changes though I was initially skeptical when they announced a total overhaul of the skill tree.
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Jun 6, 2016 10:11
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Yeah, akimbo weapons are just a category of primaries that anyone can equip.
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Jun 6, 2016 10:17
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Hmm i'm trying to buy a drill but its stuck on "checking out". Anyone know if this is a payday problem or a steam problem? Been this way for a few days.
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canada jezus posted:Hmm i'm trying to buy a drill but its stuck on "checking out". Anyone know if this is a payday problem or a steam problem? Been this way for a few days. They still haven't added in the post 100 generation safes so both are probably hosed until they're informed that something different is in play.
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Jun 6, 2016 15:37
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Wait nobody can buy drills atm? Guess i should cancel this steam support ticket.
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You can just buy them from the market if you really wanted to; they're all sitting at roughly the same price as it would be to buy them directly (except for Crimefest 2 drills, but that collection is garbage anyway). It's actually pretty funny to watch the market prices of drills rise, since they have been consistently 50 cents to a dollar cheaper than it would be to buy them directly.
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Want to put up a build for discussion, but pd2skills seems to still be on the old skill trees. Or is it no longer updated? I can't keep up with the community drama.
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