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Arkane
Dec 19, 2006

by R. Guyovich
I now have 13k shares of Rick Scott for VP

He's flying to NYC to meet Trump on Monday, VP shortlist obviously

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Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Arkane posted:

I now have 13k shares of Rick Scott for VP

He's flying to NYC to meet Trump on Monday, VP shortlist obviously

The Hell Ticket.

OAquinas
Jan 27, 2008

Biden has sat immobile on the Iron Throne of America. He is the Master of Malarkey by the will of the gods, and master of a million votes by the might of his inexhaustible calamari.
If anyone is feeling the jones real bad for instant gratification (seriously, get help in that case), Presidential Gallup Approval is basically a 50/50 coin flip that'll resolve in about 3-4 hours. No is cheaper, but is equally likely to win out.

schwein11
Oct 13, 2009



Necc0 posted:

lol @ hillary.nom and dem.brokered being only $.03 apart

dem.brokered no is free money right? with only two candidates it cannot mathematically be a brokered convention (so the yes bet is really betting on something insane happening like Biden getting in late)

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

schwein11 posted:

dem.brokered no is free money right? with only two candidates it cannot mathematically be a brokered convention (so the yes bet is really betting on something insane happening like Biden getting in late)

Two plausible scenarios:
- Bernie & Hillary get a tie, somehow. The odds of this are so slim it's not even worth considering.
- Hillary dies or returns to Mars because her people need her or w/e. This leads to a split vote between multiple candidates which also won't happen because all the delegates will just go to Bernie.

So yeah it's free money. If you read the comments you'll see why it's so low. All the people on 'Yes' are misunderstanding what contested means and think they have a shot. You should have no qualms about taking their pennies. YES wouldn't be a good buy even if it were at .01

Necc0 has issued a correction as of 16:28 on Jun 3, 2016

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Arkane posted:

I now have 13k shares of Rick Scott for VP

He's flying to NYC to meet Trump on Monday, VP shortlist obviously

The most insane ticket. Since it guarantees Florida for Hillary I can only assume that should it come to pass, Trump really is the deepest cover Hillary operative ever. Or he actually, truly believes that California and New York are in play, which makes him even dumber than Louie Gohmert.

e_angst
Sep 20, 2001

by exmarx
FiveThirtyEight has a piece of saying they'd take Bernie Sanders at the 6-to-1 odds their poll model offers. Then Nate Silver spends several hundred words talking about how this will probably all hinge on Hispanic voters, but no one quite knows how the Hispanic voters will break, and also it'll probably all hinge Asian-American voters as well.

Hillary CA YES is still in the high 60s. I can't imagine anything changing that from now until election day.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

FYI latest poll has crosstabs showing Sanders leading by 5 among "already voted" respondents, which is a pretty big departure from other surveys. Survey also shows Sanders leading 55-35 among Asian voters and the Latino vote tied.

I'm nervous.

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


that flies against everything we've heard before

everything

what poll?

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Abel Wingnut posted:

that flies against everything we've heard before

everything

what poll?

USC/LA Times poll. Toplines show a solid lead for Clinton among likely voters, to be clear.

The Joe Man
Apr 7, 2007

Flirting With Apathetic Waitresses Since 1984

Vox Nihili posted:

FYI latest poll has crosstabs showing Sanders leading by 5 among "already voted" respondents, which is a pretty big departure from other surveys. Survey also shows Sanders leading 55-35 among Asian voters and the Latino vote tied.

I'm nervous.

Great news for me! Also just play on that information. Buy a bunch of Bernie YES now and when the early voting results come in, flip them and invest in Clinton YES. Then flip those. etc...

Ride the rollercoaster my friend :cheers:

e_angst
Sep 20, 2001

by exmarx

Vox Nihili posted:

FYI latest poll has crosstabs showing Sanders leading by 5 among "already voted" respondents, which is a pretty big departure from other surveys. Survey also shows Sanders leading 55-35 among Asian voters and the Latino vote tied.

I'm nervous.

Yea, the slow death of the Oregon MOV disaster has me anxious here. I mean, California is about as must-win for Clinton as you can get considering she's basically clinched the nomination. Presumably she'll do like she did in Kentucky and push to make sure she pulls through. But I don't know if my heart can handle things being as tight as they were in Kentucky, though.

The Joe Man posted:

Great news for me! Also just play on that information. Buy a bunch of Bernie YES now and when the early voting results come in, flip them and invest in Clinton YES. Then flip those. etc...

Ride the rollercoaster my friend :cheers:

Sadly, when you're maxed out at about 4 cents a share more than the current high price on those swings, that option is a lot less viable.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
Yeah I'm not happy with the prices I bought in at now but hey ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ that's predictit

The Joe Man
Apr 7, 2007

Flirting With Apathetic Waitresses Since 1984
Source: Reid promoting Warren for VP
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/elizabeth-warren-harry-reid-vice-president-223892

I'm going to make $1,500.

OlSpazzy
Feb 10, 2004

Rumors and speculation; no thanks!

Edit: changed my mind; took a small position

OlSpazzy has issued a correction as of 03:53 on Jun 4, 2016

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001


I cashed most of my roll out a while ago but if it ends up being scott I'll be back over $500 :yum:

huge pile of hamburger
Nov 4, 2009
CBS/YouGov out with a CA poll: 49 Clinton, 47 Sanders.

I'm feeling pretty good about my Hill Yes shares. The MoV is going to be exciting. Once again, looks like PI put it right on the money.

e_angst
Sep 20, 2001

by exmarx

watwat posted:

CBS/YouGov out with a CA poll: 49 Clinton, 47 Sanders.

I'm feeling pretty good about my Hill Yes shares. The MoV is going to be exciting. Once again, looks like PI put it right on the money.

It's funny, the first two Hillary +2 polls drove the Hillary YES shares down in price for over a week, but now a new Hillary +2 polls are causing her price to rise.

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.
After a certain point, doesn't the "he always outperforms the polls!" line become untenable? That's a lot of polls showing her with a lead, even if the lead is narrow.

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Fidel Castronaut posted:

After a certain point, doesn't the "he always outperforms the polls!" line become untenable? That's a lot of polls showing her with a lead, even if the lead is narrow.

I love that it is apparently now a contest to see if Latinos or The Youth are more underrepresented in polling. Whichever is the most underrepresented gives their candidate the win! The polls can't just be right or wrong, they've got to have a hidden vector that really means anything can happen.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
Hillary landslide in VI and Puerto Rico is going strong for her as well.

edit: Oh wait they don't have a market for either? wtf

edit2: CA market is responding to these results. Almost returned to our old price from two weeks ago.

Necc0 has issued a correction as of 22:45 on Jun 5, 2016

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

If the California market pushes any higher I'll probably dump my Bernie No shares for a bit of profit and shuffle off like a coward.

(Then lose it all trying to play the wild swings on Tuesday.)

e_angst
Sep 20, 2001

by exmarx

Gyges posted:

I love that it is apparently now a contest to see if Latinos or The Youth are more underrepresented in polling. Whichever is the most underrepresented gives their candidate the win! The polls can't just be right or wrong, they've got to have a hidden vector that really means anything can happen.

Arguing about data is still a lot better than the Oregon shitshow, where there was basically no data at all and everyone was just pulling numbers out of their rear end.

pathetic little tramp
Dec 12, 2005

by Hillary Clinton's assassins
Fallen Rib
The Tyler Pedigo predictions came out, but nothing too crazy different and he predicts Hillary to win California too.

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.
He has Bernie winning New Mexico, which has caused movement in the NM market. He's also an idiot.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Fidel Castronaut posted:

He has Bernie winning New Mexico, which has caused movement in the NM market. He's also an idiot.

Lol come on, he's a one ex-con team and he's predicting better than I would.

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


Fidel Castronaut posted:

He has Bernie winning New Mexico, which has caused movement in the NM market. He's also an idiot.

yes, but pre-oregon PI moved dramatically on his word. it was really, really bizarre. haven't seen his name mentioned much since.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Fidel Castronaut posted:

He has Bernie winning New Mexico, which has caused movement in the NM market. He's also an idiot.

I wouldn't be shocked if Bernie won New Mexico. It's a really weird place with a lot of hippies. Also, Hillary doesn't have latinos on lock like she does with black voters.

But it's a closed primary so Hillary will probably actually win.

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin

Abel Wingnut posted:

yes, but pre-oregon PI moved dramatically on his word. it was really, really bizarre. haven't seen his name mentioned much since.

Bernie by 40 in Oregon was when he jumped the shark.

StevePerry
Sep 5, 2003

don't stop believin
haha:

Tyler Pedigo posted:

I believe that the margin of victory in New Jersey will be anywhere from 5-20%.

Baconomics
Feb 6, 2012

California Democratic primary "exit" poll of people who have voted by mail:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/paulmitche11#!/vizhome/CapitolWeeklyDemPresidentialPrimaryAVExitPoll/USDEMPRIM

in 2014, only 30% of the votes were cast on election day, the rest were votes by mail

e_angst
Sep 20, 2001

by exmarx

Baconomics posted:

California Democratic primary "exit" poll of people who have voted by mail:

https://public.tableau.com/profile/paulmitche11#!/vizhome/CapitolWeeklyDemPresidentialPrimaryAVExitPoll/USDEMPRIM

in 2014, only 30% of the votes were cast on election day, the rest were votes by mail

Hrm... Latinos are actually slightly favoring Sanders, but Hillary is winning Asian-Americans by a whopping 16 points.

I imagine we'll see a lot more day-of voting this time around than in 2014, so I'm not sure how strongly to take these figures right now. Correct me if I'm wrong, though, but this does look pretty good for Hillary.

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake
New market: Will Rubio run for Senate in 2016?

Fidel Castronaut
Dec 25, 2004

Houston, we're Havana problem.
The argument for more mail-in votes is that more people know about mail-in voting now and appreciate the convenience. I'm not sure exactly the argument for more in-person voters. Lots of new voters who aren't aware that they could mail it in? Either way, even if it's 50% mail-in, that means Bernie needs 56% of in-person votes tomorrow and that seems like a lot in light of the polling showing him trailing by two. If it's 60% mail-in? Bernie needs 61% of the in-person vote tomorrow.

Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

Fidel Castronaut posted:

The argument for more mail-in votes is that more people know about mail-in voting now and appreciate the convenience. I'm not sure exactly the argument for more in-person voters. Lots of new voters who aren't aware that they could mail it in?

Depending on how it's implemented, mail voting can disenfranchise several groups of people. For example, take a hypothetical state that started out having local precinct voting and same-day registration (where you can show up to the precinct and change your registration right there before you vote), which moved to all-mail voting. This change would mean that people have a much higher barrier to getting their registration in order, because that now involves going to the county courthouse or DMV instead of walking three blocks to the basement of First Methodist Church. Now think about the people for whom this would represent the greatest barrier, and you have people who move around often, or who work three jobs, or who don't have a car. So, poor people.

Vox Nihili
May 28, 2008

Vote by mail enfranchises way more people than it disenfranchises, and the turnout rates speak to that. Someone with three jobs would definitely prefer a vote by mail system over an 8-hour timeslot, it's really not even a close question.

Baconomics
Feb 6, 2012

on the subject of voting methods, New Mexico's system causes chaotic election night reporting that makes it very difficult to accurately extrapolate the final margin so be advised if you're playing NM-DEM or NM-DEM-MoV

explanation from a political junkie I know in New Mexico:

quote:

I wouldn't bet on it. It's essentially early voting on election day.

Even though we're divided into precincts and polling locations have an official recommended precinct listed, the ballots are printed at the polling locations and fed back into another machine. You can vote anywhere for your precinct provided you stay within your county.

Precincts reporting here is mythical, as additional votes for the precinct may come in after "the precinct reported" if somebody voted at different location that hasn't reported yet. Conversely, a strong early reporting Sanders precinct might report votes it received from Hillary precincts as well.

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


what in the gently caress kind of system is that?

yea, avoiding that

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Baconomics posted:

on the subject of voting methods, New Mexico's system causes chaotic election night reporting that makes it very difficult to accurately extrapolate the final margin so be advised if you're playing NM-DEM or NM-DEM-MoV

explanation from a political junkie I know in New Mexico:

Jesus, dudes. Just don't report by precinct but rather county.

Gonna be so many fraud accusations.

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Lutha Mahtin
Oct 10, 2010

Your brokebrain sin is absolved...go and shitpost no more!

Vox Nihili posted:

Vote by mail enfranchises way more people than it disenfranchises, and the turnout rates speak to that. Someone with three jobs would definitely prefer a vote by mail system over an 8-hour timeslot, it's really not even a close question.

This is becoming a derail, but....you're wrong. I'm sorry, but I'm a Minnesotan and I cannot stand idly by as someone claims that their lovely pet system disenfranchises fewer people than our gold-star system of same-day precinct registration and no-reason-required absentee mail voting. We have the best system in the country, and the numbers, if you actually look at them, speak to that.

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