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CJacobs posted:
Looks like a bunch are foreign language/target ones so they're probably popular elsewhere.
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Well sure, but people other than english-speaking countrymen browse this forum y'know. There are whole nations of people that browse SA that have never heard of any of those lovely sites and are proud to have crappy knockoff tech blogs represented in their own languages instead of just english. Or at least, I assume.
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I've heard of David Wolfe. He's a nutjob that pushes alternative medicine and espouses the benefits of raw chocolate as a superfood that will cure what ails you. One of his more notable claims is that the reason the oceans are salty is because if they weren't the water would float away from Earth.
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Jun 8, 2016 02:21
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CJacobs posted:
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Jun 8, 2016 02:27
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I think there are a lot of bots out there that grab new kickstarter posts and autopost them to a blog I think thats what most of those are
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Mortimer posted:make it vibrate Change "vibrate" to "oscillate" and you're on the right track to get more money from dumbs
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Mortimer posted:I think there are a lot of bots out there that grab new kickstarter posts and autopost them to a blog It's not just blogs. Even reputable tech sites report on obvious Indiegogo scams because wild tech claims make for extra page views. The scams then use that media coverage to give themselves extra credibility like some kind of terrible tortilla pod filled echo chamber.
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Jun 8, 2016 03:59
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i always hated those graphics with all the logos on them. who the hell is impressed by something like that?
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Jun 8, 2016 09:23
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:i always hated those graphics with all the logos on them. who the hell is impressed by something like that? Successful startups have done it, so now everyone does it because it's social proof/bullshit.
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Jun 8, 2016 09:45
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CJacobs posted:
I've seen so many kickstarter projects where the team consisted solely of: - 1 idea guy - 1 marketing guy from another company whose job is basically to post the KS link all over those stupid websites It's basically the textbook KS business model today
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I googled some of those, ekokultur doesnt seem to exist, ecodiarios.se doesn't load, abomus doesnt exist, 92kus doesn't have an index.html. You probably could google the most lovely looking logos and came back with nothing.
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:I've seen so many kickstarter projects where the team consisted solely of: speaking of that model, here's one like that which is teetering on the edge: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1284726646/the-lampster-a-lamp-with-attitude/description They sold $1.3 million worth of these hideous lamps off a target of $30,000. I didn't think there was any chance they'd be able to fulfill their orders and more than 6 months after the KS ended they're struggling to get the backer surveys out. I reckon they'll ship a few hundred lamps a year late then fold.
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I searched it on "Notey" and it turns out that Notey is not actually a news website, it is a content aggregation website that collects other peoples' blogs and links to them. Which is great.
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fishmech posted:Looks like a bunch are foreign language/target ones so they're probably popular elsewhere.
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This is one of the guys responsible for posting about indiegogo scam campaigns on fake blogs : http://www.herscugoldsilver.com/crowdfunding/  
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i bet drinking some ice water would be a far more effective way to cool down. Then you are cooling you the one feeling hot instead of barely cooling a tiny area around that dumb icebox
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^^^ At that point why not just open the freezer door, really. CJacobs posted:
The solar roadway thing listed a few more famous ones like slashdot and ars technica, I think, but I checked the /. post and it was basically "there's this thing and they got some DOT funding" while a lot of the comments were making GBS threads on the idea. So these things are, of course, completely worthless as even when the publication actually exists and is somewhat reputable, it just means that the project made enough waves to be worth a shot post, and isn't indicative of any kind of endorsement.
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mobby_6kl posted:^^^ Because that'll burn out the motor probably and also make it hotter instead of cooler because of how Peltier elements work which I'm assuming is what freezers use. But seriously you could jsut use a regular fan and if you really have to get ice involved get a tray of ice cubes, put them on a stack of books or whatever in front of the fan and have the same thing for whatever a regular cheap rear end fan costs.
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CJacobs posted:
A couple of weeks ago I spent a few day's worth of free time binge-reading through years worth of the YOSPOS crowd funding mock thread. Out of all the crowd-funded products that were ridiculed in that thread and ended up being successfully funded, almost all (> 80%) both had a wall of logos like this and a couple of years later ended up not delivering a product at all, or delivered one that was incredibly late and massively pared down from the original claims. So it doesn't mean poo poo; apparently it's incredibly easy to get people to feature your product. But back then there were even more "reputable" names, so I guess sites that have some basic level of journalistic ethics caught on after years of crowdfunded tears. The claims this product makes are laughable as well. An itty-bitty ice pack isn't going to absorb much heat from the room to begin with, and the fan blowing over it will do essentially gently caress all. If they actually posted specs on the ice pack one could calculate just how bullshit it is, but of course they obfuscate it as much as possible and hide it behind Italian craftsmen and some woo about the grid being designed with parametric functions. Morglon posted:Because that'll burn out the motor probably and also make it hotter instead of cooler because of how Peltier elements work which I'm assuming is what freezers use. But seriously you could jsut use a regular fan and if you really have to get ice involved get a tray of ice cubes, put them on a stack of books or whatever in front of the fan and have the same thing for whatever a regular cheap rear end fan costs. Freezers use compression-expansion based heat pumps (no idea where you got the idea they use thermoelectric ones), but the key word is that it "pumps" the heat elsewhere and in the case of a freezer it's to the coils on the back. So running an open freezer would have a net effect of adding heat to the room because it doesn't just move heat from the inside of the freezer to the back of the unit, but also adds the energy spent running the compressor to the total heat. Same deal with why you shouldn't run a window-mounted air conditioner in the middle of the room. BattleMaster has a new favorite as of 11:50 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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so in a bizarre twist of fate, running your freezer to cool down one of those ice packs would add more heat to your home than the geezer would take out of it yes, they say it's not designed to cool a home. they say it cools by as much as (lol) 3 degrees from a 12 cubic meter sealed room with good insulation. i'm going to assume that their tests didn't have any people or electrical devices (for instance, lights are a big one) in the same room because those would add heat to it at a good rate so any gains from their dinky ice pack would be quickly reversed in a real situation BattleMaster has a new favorite as of 12:00 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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Jun 8, 2016 11:58
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Unless I hosed up the math, that's ~42 kJ of cooling, which in a sealed room would be completely countered by a human sitting in the room for 10 minutes.
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Germstore posted:Unless I hosed up the math, that's ~42 kJ of cooling, which in a sealed room would be completely countered by a human sitting in the room for 10 minutes. That's based on their numbers of 3 degrees cooling/12 cubic meters of air, right? lol how dire sometimes I wish I was more creative and had less shame so I could make big dollars on bullshit
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Yes. Being generous and assuming one liter of ice (based on the measurements they give for the unit) you can also calculate from the other direction. .93 kg of ice, which is .0009 tons, which is roughly 11 BTU which is roughly 11 kJ. So I think they may actually be exaggerating. So either I hosed up my math or it's less than 1 C in a 12 cubic meter room because it's literally impossible for that device to fit 4 liters of ice unless it's bigger on the inside.
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I don't think it's actually ice, but is one of those gel packs which would improve the estimates somewhat. But without knowing the mass and type of gel I wouldn't be able to guess. The whole thing is a load of crap but I wouldn't doubt their 3 degrees figure because I'm assuming it was arrived at experimentally, albeit with unrealistic best-case conditions. In practice in a real situation with a person and without a sealed and insulated volume of air it would be essentially worthless.
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I'm not so sure. Most of the cooling is going to come from the phase change, and it's hard to beat water.
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I was thinking that the gel could have higher density and a higher heat capacity, but you're probably right about that. I guess the gel packs would be better at keeping stuff cold that's already cold and would be assy at cooling a warm environment down.
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CJacobs posted:
lol if you don't keep up on the latest tech news from 92k.us: http://92k.us/
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^^^ "The requested website is blocked by XYZ Proxy due to potential malicious activity or other security reasons. Phishing, malicious, spyware sites are compromised or unsafe websites that may trick you into revealing personal or financial information (e.g. username, passwords, credit card information, PIN numbers, etc.) ..." Dunno what it was supposed to be, but it looks legit! BattleMaster posted:so in a bizarre twist of fate, running your freezer to cool down one of those ice packs would add more heat to your home than the geezer would take out of it Although as stupid as the device is, it will probably be able to provide a somewhat refreshing feeling if you sit right next to it. Having just been in Thailand where it was 30C at night, even this piece of poo poo would be better than nothing. Still, I just have no idea why would somebody give them any money. mobby_6kl has a new favorite as of 13:35 on Jun 8, 2016 |
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mobby_6kl posted:it just means that the project made enough waves to be worth a shot post, and isn't indicative of any kind of endorsement.
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For reference, AC units are frequently described by the Tons of Refrigeration they provide, which is the cooling that a 1 ton block of ice would provide in 24 hours. Just use that to put in perspective their couple pound ice block
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Just noticed the kickstarter says 12 square meter room, so that's more like 36 cubic meters, so lol at that.
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:speaking of that model, here's one like that which is teetering on the edge: aha, 6,148 hand painted lamps. quote:Depending on the number of Lampsters, painting each one by hand, might delay shipping for some!
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Germstore posted:Just noticed the kickstarter says 12 square meter room, so that's more like 36 cubic meters, so lol at that. Or perhaps it's literally a 12 m2 room. I believe a block of ice could cool a two dimensional room real good.
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CJacobs posted:I searched it on "Notey" and it turns out that Notey is not actually a news website, it is a content aggregation website that collects other peoples' blogs and links to them. Which is great. So is Bored Panda, since I see that all the time on Facebook. I didn't know that there was actual fake blogs. Nor did I know there was an actual industry devoted to fake blogs aggregating content for fake crowdfunding campaigns.
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The Glumslinger posted:For reference, AC units are frequently described by the Tons of Refrigeration they provide, which is the cooling that a 1 ton block of ice would provide in 24 hours. Just use that to put in perspective their couple pound ice block The first "air conditioning" was literally just a huge block of ice plonked in the middle of the room, which may be the basis of that measure.
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bvoid posted:lol if you don't keep up on the latest tech news from 92k.us: Certainly LSD Magazine wasn't what I expected 
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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/782844499/the-super-73 Of course it has a cup holder for your no gmo gluten free ecological soy latte.
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Collateral Damage posted:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/782844499/the-super-73 Californian design
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Collateral Damage posted:https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/782844499/the-super-73 30mph! 20 mile range! Sweeeet, you get 40 minutes of ALL TERRAIN electric bike action then you have to wait 4 hours while it recharges so you can ride for another 40 minutes. I guess you could pack a spare battery but if you forgot to take it or you forgot to charge it then you'll be pushing this 65lb bike 20 miles back to your house.  (Extra batteries are $400 each)
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