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fknlo posted:So it could still be that, right? Maybe. Different news sources have been updating differently. For example, the NYT still has absolutely no mention of Islam, but they have the "domestic terrorism" quote, and have just added that two "discretionary explosions" were used by the cops to distract the gunman- which may account for the talk about bombs. Lord Binky posted:That's a weird word haha, but I'm thinking Christian and Islamic extremism are both pretty parsimonious. Again, good word though I don't know what it means. The word, 'parsimony,' on its own means "stinginess or unwillingness to spend money." When used in the context of describing an answer/explanation/interpretation/thesis it can also be used to mean "simplicity and sparingness" (i.e. the most parsimonious interpretation of a phenomenon is the one that invokes the fewest steps or logical leaps. So "my six year old cousin broke the lamp in the TV room while tossing his favorite ball around and watching DBZ" > "a bird flew in, smashed the lamp, and flew out again"), although I'm starting to think that that usage is mostly limited to evolutionary biologists. Hahahahahahahaha Hasn't he been getting called out for that for almost a year now? I love that he just now figured to "explain" it. There's no way that won't make the press dogpile on him that much harder.
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greatn posted:One follows the other yeah for the LGBT community, discrimination & death follows islam
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Electric Bugaloo posted:
He gave the "I was imitating him groveling" bs excuse back when it first happened too. It just went away because the Republicans didn't give a poo poo and were too convinced that they could kill Trump by saying he wasn't conservative enough or liked imminent domain. Now its Hillary and the Dems so they're going to push it and constructed an ad that really works on people, so he's going to have to start answering that question again.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:The word, 'parsimony,' on its own means "stinginess or unwillingness to spend money." When used in the context of describing an answer/explanation/interpretation/thesis it can also be used to mean "simplicity and sparingness" (i.e. the most parsimonious interpretation of a phenomenon is the one that invokes the fewest steps or logical leaps. So "my six year old cousin broke the lamp in the TV room while tossing his favorite ball around and watching DBZ" > "a bird flew in, smashed the lamp, and flew out again"), although I'm starting to think that that usage is mostly limited to evolutionary biologists. I think most people would call that applying Occam's razor.
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haveblue posted:I think most people would call that applying Occam's razor. Yep, and my old undergrad advisor would constantly use both interchangeably. You're right though, it's a better choice.
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I don't think it's really fair to say deadly violence against LGBT people is uniquely Islamic when someone tried to blow up a Target bathroom over their trans bathroom policies less than a week ago.
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Jun 12, 2016 15:01
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It's only been a few hours and the conversation has already gone this way. We're getting more and more efficient at this. Keep it up, America.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I don't think it's really fair to say deadly violence against LGBT people is uniquely Islamic when someone tried to blow up a Target bathroom over their trans bathroom policies less than a week ago. Turned out no, that was someone trying to make meth in a Target bathroom that went wrong.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I don't think it's really fair to say deadly violence against LGBT people is uniquely Islamic when someone tried to blow up a Target bathroom over their trans bathroom policies less than a week ago. That was confirmed to be not a bomb but someone who had eaten a burrito.
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Jun 12, 2016 15:05
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Most people are not aware, but this town has one of the larger gay communities in the US. I know a lot of people in that community here. To my knowledge no one I know was killed.
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nimh posted:yeah for the LGBT community, discrimination & death follows islam People are still killed and attacked in shocking numbers in America for being gay or trans by Muslims, Christians, atheists, and more.
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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:I don't think it's really fair to say deadly violence against LGBT people is uniquely Islamic when someone tried to blow up a Target bathroom over their trans bathroom policies less than a week ago. something about a lie getting halfway around the world before the truth get somehting somethign
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Jun 12, 2016 15:09
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greatn posted:People are still killed and attacked in shocking numbers in America for being gay or trans by Muslims, Christians, atheists, and more. Plus Christian radicals don't really need to go outside the law to make us (and other minority groups) suffer, they have the GOP for that.
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Jun 12, 2016 15:15
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Geez, over fifty casualties at the club.
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That death number isn't going to stay at twenty is it? 😭
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greatn posted:That death number isn't going to stay at twenty is it? 😭 It's at 50.
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Luigi Thirty posted:It's at 50. The post above just said 50 casualties, that means death or injury.
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If you had automatic weapons in a crowded nightclub you'd have to be really unlucky to only manage to kill 20 people, I think. Also I hate that America has taken away the feelings I should be experiencing about something like this.
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Jun 12, 2016 15:26
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greatn posted:The post above just said 50 casualties, that means death or injury. The Orlando mayor is giving a press conference right now, 50 dead and 53 injured.
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Jun 12, 2016 15:27
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Samurai Sanders posted:If you had automatic weapons in a crowded nightclub you'd have to be really unlucky to only manage to kill 20 people, I think. Yeah, it sucks that I just realized this morning that I'm desensitized.
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BBC identified the shooter.bbc posted:The BBC understands the name of the suspect was Omar Mateen, aged 29.
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greatn posted:The post above just said 50 casualties, that means death or injury. From: https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2016/jun/12/florida-nightclub-shooting-terrorism-suspect-updates Mayor Dyer confirmed to a press conference that there were 50 killed and 53 hospitalised in the shooting, not 20 killed and 42 hospitalised as initially reported by police.
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50 dead 53 injured greatn posted:The post above just said 50 casualties, that means death or injury. They clarified, press doesn't treat "casualty" the same as the military does
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greatn posted:The post above just said 50 casualties, that means death or injury. watching NBC it says 50 dead, 53 injured.
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Jun 12, 2016 15:27
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This lineup of people speaking is like some dark sketch comedy. What're they up to, six?
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God drat it. Is that the biggest mass shooting in American history?
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greatn posted:God drat it. Is that the biggest mass shooting in American history? Since 1984.
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Sure is! Enjoy the endless politicizing over the largest shooting in American history being at a gay nightclub during Pride week.
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Teddybear posted:Since 1984. Nope, it's the deadliest ever.
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https://twitter.com/ashtonpittman/status/741997239636086784 welp
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Sir Tonk posted:50 dead God drat. Throwing Turtles posted:BBC identified the shooter. From what I've seen so far he was US born to parents from Afghanistan? So this might lead to some more interesting stuff than "Ban Muslims from entering the US" rhetoric. Also, there was a good guy with a gun there and it didn't stop this, so we'll get to see what happens with that usual angle
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Don't rush to judgement this didn't have anything to do with it being a gay nightclub and further more...
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Holy poo poo, that is more than most military engagements these days. Unreal. It sucks that I don't even feel much about shootings any more. Also yeah Orlando has a huge gay community, I was actually surprised to learn when I was down there last. Also it's a shithole, which makes the fact even more surprising.
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Jun 12, 2016 15:34
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Oh god we're about to witness the GOP tie itself in knots trying to figure out how they can blame religion while ignoring the hilarious amount of evangelical homophobia
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What, like, he didn't know gay people existed until suddenly he witnessed this?
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whitey delenda est posted:Holy poo poo, that is more than most military engagements these days. Unreal. It sucks that I don't even feel much about shootings any more.
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