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fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
Tell us your options when you get them. We'll try to help guide you to a good place.

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Tommy 2.0
Apr 26, 2008

My fabulous CoX shall live forever!

Iucounu posted:

Sup, ex-Nellis buddy? :respek:

How did I miss this? I wasn't stationed there, but when I was at Kadena, it seemed like half the tower was ex-Nellis tower/radar guys, and the other half were Osan/Kunsan. It was HILARIOUS watching the Osan/Kunsan guys show up cockier than balls and get their asses completely handed to them the first time they worked a heavy. When were you there?

Iucounu
May 12, 2007


Tommy 2.0 posted:

How did I miss this? I wasn't stationed there, but when I was at Kadena, it seemed like half the tower was ex-Nellis tower/radar guys, and the other half were Osan/Kunsan. It was HILARIOUS watching the Osan/Kunsan guys show up cockier than balls and get their asses completely handed to them the first time they worked a heavy. When were you there?

2009-2012

Tommy 2.0
Apr 26, 2008

My fabulous CoX shall live forever!

Iucounu posted:

2009-2012

Sorry about Hulett. Searcy was my first trainee, ever. I was completely green when I trained him so I lucked out, massively, getting him as my first trainee. I was in tech school with the Drewry's.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Can one of you guys up at ZJX tell Mayo/Zephyr that 30MIT as one when all of Florida is going over Lakeland due to weather is a loving pipe dream, and that they're all lucky it's not possible to strangle someone through the VCS machine?

Tommy 2.0
Apr 26, 2008

My fabulous CoX shall live forever!

MrYenko posted:

Can one of you guys up at ZJX tell Mayo/Zephyr that 30MIT as one when all of Florida is going over Lakeland due to weather is a loving pipe dream, and that they're all lucky it's not possible to strangle someone through the VCS machine?

I can strangle them IRL if you want?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Tommy 2.0 posted:

I can strangle them IRL if you want?

Just make sure to get a recording of their death rattle.

Iucounu
May 12, 2007


Tommy 2.0 posted:

Sorry about Hulett. Searcy was my first trainee, ever. I was completely green when I trained him so I lucked out, massively, getting him as my first trainee. I was in tech school with the Drewry's.

I was in the tower. Searcy came up to get dual-rated, I remember him being pretty sharp. Worked with Dave D. too.

TangoFox
Jan 29, 2016

Tommy 2.0 posted:

I can strangle them IRL if you want?

He lied, it was "15 in trail regardless of altitude."

Here's your 8th grade math problem:
There are about 6 major airports in South Florida. All routed over over LAL for weather. (instead of 5 or 6 different routes). How much in trail off the airports does Yenko need to meet Jacksonville's asinine in trail requirement of 15 in trail regardless of altitude?

Part 2:

How do you release a C525 in front of any Boeing/Airbus product and expect him to stay 15 miles infront? lol

TangoFox
Jan 29, 2016
Well gently caress I killed it.

New contract seems nice. Credit hours are back, gently caress yes.

babyeatingpsychopath
Oct 28, 2000
Forum Veteran


TangoFox posted:

Well gently caress I killed it.

New contract seems nice. Credit hours are back, gently caress yes.

Any word on what the 1% bonus on contract passing is about?

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

TangoFox posted:

Well gently caress I killed it.

New contract seems nice. Credit hours are back, gently caress yes.

Do you have a link to stuff that's in it? I can't seem to find one on NATCA's site or in any of the emails I've gotten.

I like that they did it for 6 years to get it away from national election years. That will probably work out in our favor at some point in the future.

two_beer_bishes
Jun 27, 2004

fknlo posted:

Do you have a link to stuff that's in it? I can't seem to find one on NATCA's site or in any of the emails I've gotten.

I like that they did it for 6 years to get it away from national election years. That will probably work out in our favor at some point in the future.

I got this, sorry if the formatting is hosed, I'm posting from my phone

code:
.   CBA Update Telcon Summary

I.         Important Dates

A.     Contract good for 6 years

B.     Should receive a hard copy between 6/5-6/12 (approximately)

C.     Voting will take place 6/15-7/5 (approximately)

D.     Contract start date is TBA

II.         Pay

A.     January Pay Raises

1.     In accordance with government-wide raises

2.     Band will move with raises

3.     No cap on raises for six years

B.     1.6% June Pay Increases

1.     Guaranteed for six years

2.     Cap is in effect on these raises and bands will not move

3.     If at cap you will receive lump sum

C.     August Signing Bonus

1.     1% lump sum

2.     Will take place first full pay period of August

III.         Worker’s Rules

A.     Sick Leave

1.     40% buy-back

B.     Annual Leave

1.     Prime time and non-prime time leave will be overseen by union

C.     Credit Hours

1.     24 hours max carried over per pay period

2.     Supervisors cannot solicit credit hours

 

D.     Schedule

1.     5-4-9 schedules are available as well as 4-10’s

a.      5-4-9 = 5 – nine hour days, 4 – ten hour days,

E.     Other Leave

1.     Eight hours excused leave for retirement seminars

2.     FMLA – “Acting” parents added to FMLA

3.     Fatigue leave added to agreement

4.     Workgroup has been created to explore further options for parental leave

F.     Other Issues

1.     OJTI and CIC will not be a further qualification for choosing overtime

2.     Written performance records by supervisors will expire after 24 months

3.     Record of conversations will expire after 24 months

IV.          Further Exploration Workgroups 

A.     Workgroups have been created for the following situations:

a.      Electric car charging at facilities

b.     Fatigue Mitigation

c.      Hazardous Material

d.     Asbestos

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

two_beer_bishes posted:

I got this, sorry if the formatting is hosed, I'm posting from my phone

code:
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3.     Fatigue leave added to agreement


Oh yeah? :allears:

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

two_beer_bishes posted:

2. Written performance records by supervisors will expire after 24 months

3. Record of conversations will expire after 24 months

IIRC, these used to be permanent in your record, right? That's loving huge.

two_beer_bishes posted:

a. Electric car charging at facilities

:dance:

hjp766
Sep 6, 2013
Dinosaur Gum

two_beer_bishes posted:

I got this, sorry if the formatting is hosed, I'm posting from my phone

code:
.   CBA Update Telcon Summary

I.         Important Dates

A.     Contract good for 6 years

B.     Should receive a hard copy between 6/5-6/12 (approximately)

C.     Voting will take place 6/15-7/5 (approximately)

D.     Contract start date is TBA

II.         Pay

A.     January Pay Raises

1.     In accordance with government-wide raises

2.     Band will move with raises

3.     No cap on raises for six years

B.     1.6% June Pay Increases

1.     Guaranteed for six years

2.     Cap is in effect on these raises and bands will not move

3.     If at cap you will receive lump sum

C.     August Signing Bonus

1.     1% lump sum

2.     Will take place first full pay period of August

III.         Worker’s Rules

A.     Sick Leave

1.     40% buy-back

B.     Annual Leave

1.     Prime time and non-prime time leave will be overseen by union

C.     Credit Hours

1.     24 hours max carried over per pay period

2.     Supervisors cannot solicit credit hours

 

D.     Schedule

1.     5-4-9 schedules are available as well as 4-10’s

a.      5-4-9 = 5 – nine hour days, 4 – ten hour days,

E.     Other Leave

1.     Eight hours excused leave for retirement seminars

2.     FMLA – “Acting” parents added to FMLA

3.     Fatigue leave added to agreement

4.     Workgroup has been created to explore further options for parental leave

F.     Other Issues

1.     OJTI and CIC will not be a further qualification for choosing overtime

2.     Written performance records by supervisors will expire after 24 months

3.     Record of conversations will expire after 24 months

IV.          Further Exploration Workgroups 

A.     Workgroups have been created for the following situations:

a.      Electric car charging at facilities

b.     Fatigue Mitigation

c.      Hazardous Material

d.     Asbestos

You trying to make us pilots wind you up more than normal?

Overpaid atc... :duck:

TangoFox
Jan 29, 2016

MrYenko posted:

IIRC, these used to be permanent in your record, right? That's loving huge.


:dance:



Yeah, they were permanent and that's why I fight them so hard.

Also the EV stations are going to workgroup.

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck
EV Stations?

two_beer_bishes
Jun 27, 2004
CBA is now on the natca site

edit: website or the address they sent out seems to be broken, not sure which

xaarman
Mar 12, 2003

IRONKNUCKLE PERMABANNED! READ HERE

MrYenko posted:

Our rule book says anything the DOD owns is allowed in.

I did my bi monthly scan through the aeronautical insanity thread and came across this in an RVSM discussion.

Where is this written? I always have to request non rvsm and its a 50/50 if I get it.

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck
FAA JO 7110.65W, 2-1-28 a. 1.

quote:

1. Ensure non-RVSM aircraft are not permitted
in RVSM airspace unless they meet the criteria of
excepted aircraft and are previously approved by the
operations supervisor/CIC. The following aircraft are
excepted: DOD, DOD-certified aircraft operated by
NASA (T38, F15, F18, WB57, S3, and U2 aircraft
only), MEDEVAC, manufacturer aircraft being
flown for development/certification, and Foreign
State aircraft. These exceptions are accommodated
on a workload or traffic-permitting basis.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

xaarman posted:

I did my bi monthly scan through the aeronautical insanity thread and came across this in an RVSM discussion.

Where is this written? I always have to request non rvsm and its a 50/50 if I get it.

FAA Order 7110.65 2-1-28, Subpart a. 1.

quote:

2−1−28. RVSM OPERATIONS
Controller responsibilities must include but not be limited to the following:
a. Non−RVSM aircraft operating in RVSM airspace.
1. Ensure non-RVSM aircraft are not permitted in RVSM airspace unless they meet the criteria of excepted aircraft and are previously approved by the operations supervisor/CIC. The following aircraft are excepted: DOD, DOD-certified aircraft operated by NASA (T38, F15, F18, WB57, S3, and U2 aircraft only), MEDEVAC, manufacturer aircraft being flown for development/certification, and Foreign State aircraft. These exceptions are accommodated on a workload or traffic-permitting basis.

It takes a little bit of extra coordination, but DOD is blanket exempted.

Edit: FERRETKIIIIIING

xaarman
Mar 12, 2003

IRONKNUCKLE PERMABANNED! READ HERE
Non RVSM aircraft are never allowed, even if they request it - DoD are allowed if requested, on a workload permitted basis.

Which is what is already happening.

I never knew civvies weren't allowed. Harumph.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Traffic permitting, my final checkride is today... Hold on to yer butts.

TangoFox
Jan 29, 2016
I'm going to steal your thunder.


YENKO PASSED!!!!! Congrats to this motherfucker! :smugdon:

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck
Great job

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

TangoFox posted:

I'm going to steal your thunder.


YENKO PASSED!!!!! Congrats to this motherfucker! :smugdon:

Dickhole.

FYI: Baconator immediately before the checkride is not a pro move.

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe
Congrats man!

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

(I dont have to train anymore.)

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

MrYenko posted:


(I dont have to train anymore.)

This is seriously the best thing ever. The raise is cool too.

Got an email about a phone interview for the ZDV TMU job I bid on!

kmcormick9
Feb 2, 2004
Magenta Alert
Where do I go to find bids for sups, tmu, etc? I'm trying to get back to the Richmond area, but without losing 40 k a year, and since err is shutdown at zdc, I'll have to find another way out

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck
Usajobs.gov

kmcormick9
Feb 2, 2004
Magenta Alert
Yeah that's where I've been checking but nothing relevant ever gets posted.

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck
That's really it. If they aren't up there, then there aren't any bids open unfortunately.

The FAA is prepping for shutdown since the current CR expires next month so that's probably putting the brakes on bids until new funding is passed.

JohnClark
Mar 24, 2005

Well that's less than ideal

kmcormick9 posted:

Yeah that's where I've been checking but nothing relevant ever gets posted.
Make you sure you click the radio button that says you're a federal employee. I searched a couple times for 2152 gigs and didn't find anything, but then I realized it was only showing me jobs available to the general public.

Dunno if it's what you're looking for exactly, but DCA has a supe bid out currently: https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/441357200/

fknlo
Jul 6, 2009


Fun Shoe

kmcormick9 posted:

Yeah that's where I've been checking but nothing relevant ever gets posted.

Stuff tends to get posted in batches. There isn't much on there at all right now.

Just had my phone interview with ZDV TMU a little while ago and I think it went well. Time to wait some more!

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck
Certified on departures today. Essentially 1/4 of the way to full certification.

The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck
Voting for the contract opened today.

There's also a subcommittee hearing on the ATC staffing crisis. Live feed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fce4eNqC0cg

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

The Ferret King posted:

Certified on departures today. Essentially 1/4 of the way to full certification.

gently caress yes.

Is this your first radar cert?

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The Ferret King
Nov 23, 2003

cluck cluck

MrYenko posted:

gently caress yes.

Is this your first radar cert?

Here, yes.

I've been CPC at two up/downs prior.

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