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HEY GAL posted:edit: you might like the parts where most of the authors are leftists and commies But still, if I remember correctly, very much 'America gently caress yeah!' bringing all the benefits of specifically American democracy and civilisation to the backwards Europeans.
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These sound like the island in the sea of time series except possibly with less YANKEE PROTESTANT WORK ETHIC IS THE BEST and obviously author-fantasy lesbianism. My Maine libertarian uncle-in-law asked for my critique on them as an archaeologist (back when I was an archaeologist) and then again when I got this job and apparently became a historian. It was.... Difficult to remain diplomatic about his favourite book series.
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feedmegin posted:But still, if I remember correctly, very much 'America gently caress yeah!' bringing all the benefits of specifically American democracy and civilisation to the backwards Europeans.
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cheerfullydrab posted:I remember the David Drake Hammer's Slammers stories to be pretty good military scifi spacepulp. Drake's MilSF was informed by his time in Vietnam. It's very... 'brutal' is not the right word. 'Unsanitised'? I have no idea if the tone is realistic or not, but it feels real.
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I scoff at y'all for reading unavowed trashy SF. Pulpy time travel/ISOT/alien stuff though, yowza!  I'm not even ashamed to admit to trawling the alternatehistory.com forums for decentish shlock, since prose and politics notwithstanding, some people there have at least got a sense of irony. Like that one abortive story with the 18th century EIC types trying to cash in on a portal to our world. Or the actually rather good, longrunning thread with 80s Britain being sent back to the 18th c (I sense a pattern here). Which has Maggie Milksnatcher instituting rationing and a massive nationalization program, and it includes the dawn massive social movement coalescing around a crusade to abolish slavery. Tasty.
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I just finished reading Xenogears LP, started reading Johny Ringo Thread 2 and watching Devils Third LP on the side. I'm an now really convinced that JUST POST basically works for book and game plots: it doesn't matter what you write as long as you write.
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HEY GAL posted:yes except for the part where some of them agree with us already and are therefore not backwards I was going to read these at some point. I think time travellers coping with the early modern era could be written really well. Someone described a scene where Wallenstein reads history books that treat him fairly badly and not coping well. That hooker me, but whenever I've been to a book shop since I've been strapped for cash or out doing something else. I did love the idea of teaching mercenaries modern equipment and using military trucks to destroy tercios, but if it's as bad as you say.
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One team but four of the players are Hungarians coached by a separate Hungarian coach with full coaching powers.
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bewbies posted:
When you put them side by side like that, those flags sure are halfassed.
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It's one team, but they have (at least) two different uniforms, each player gets to choose where and when to score and they only use really short ball passes because there is only one ball in the whole stadium and they can't afford to loose it. Also they only ever win against Italy.
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bewbies posted:
If they're running into each other constantly and knocking themselves out, it's one team. The good old team.
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When they play Italy the ball never leaves the center circle and 12 players are carted off with career ending injuries.
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I have been trying to re-find this one mil-sf short story for years. All I remember is that it was about the siege of a small town in central Europe in some sort of techno-future. Possibly/probably based on the actual story of the Siege of Sarajevo. There were some descriptions of elaborate future artillery pieces. It was in a collection I read quite a while ago. Does this sound familiar to anybody? Shot in the dark, but still.
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bewbies posted:
An Austrian friend told me that apparently Austria vs Hungary was the football rivalry for the two teams far into the 1950s, and it only switched to Germany being the main rival (at least in the eyes of Austrian fans, pretty much noone in Germany gave or gives a toss about them ) of Austria after the Austrians were clowned on by Germany during the 1954 world cup. The fact that the Iron Curtain increasingly restricted contact with Hungary may also have played a role in this.
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bewbies posted:When they play Italy the ball never leaves the center circle and 12 players are carted off with career ending injuries. And the shootout lasts forever. It's two teams and one's coached by a swimming coach.
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And then a large wave of Russians storm in from nowhere and beats everyone to a bloody pulp?
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xthetenth posted:It's two teams and one's coached by a swimming coach. Considering that Hungary is the only non-ex-Yu country capable of winning water polo world championship medals, that would actually be a good thing.
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my dad posted:Considering that Hungary is the only non-ex-Yu country capable of winning water polo world championship medals, that would actually be a good thing. Hungarian water polo brings the discussion back to military history
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RogueTM posted:Didn't stop people from claiming that the soldiers in Italy was having a holiday and avoiding D-Day, leading to this wonderful song. We've got an entire small section devoted to this in the museum I work at all lovingly centered around a rather lovingly hand crafted lyrics sheet. Don't piss off bored fed up British soldiers. Bad war poetry will be only the start.
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Hazzard posted:Someone described a scene where Wallenstein reads history books that treat him fairly badly and not coping well. Like I keep saying, this guy wrote up to 8 or 10 letters a day to a single recipient, imagine if he could talk to people who were far away in real time. Phones are probably the best thing that's happened to him since he met Kepler. HEY GUNS fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Jun 14, 2016 |
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Who was the Civil War general who was happy to hear Stuart had cut his telegraph lines since Washington couldn't give him orders anymore?
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i seem to remember there was also a scene that was intended to be badass where Wallenstein had a bunch of public buildings draped in his coat of arms and colors, but considering that that looked like this, the effect would have been more like a militarized Ikea.
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All this kind of sounds like the dude except if he ran Ikea the instructions would be a lot more interesting.
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xthetenth posted:All this kind of sounds like the dude except if he ran Ikea the instructions would be a lot more interesting. Yeah, he'd make people assemble their own gallows.
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Throatwarbler posted:And then a large wave of Russians storm in from nowhere and beats everyone to a bloody pulp? So basically just the Euro cup?
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Phobophilia posted:ive still got a soft spot for david weber, he's got the balls to make the queen of space england black the last time I was reading those books haven was no longer lead by the committee of public safety and robert s pierre (get it) and are now good guys and the bad guys were the shadowy conspiracy of slavers and ubermenchen I've read 15+ honorverse books ama
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Throatwarbler posted:And then a large wave of Russians storm in from nowhere and beats everyone to a bloody pulp? yes this exactly
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There's a series on the iPlayer right now that I can heartily recommend to anyone who's able to watch it (the first episode is gone after Wednesday, so hurry); it's called "Bullets, Boots and Bandages" and it's all about those lovely crunchy logistics that keep an army alive and able to fight and to get it where it's going in the first place. There's quite a few things to nitpick over and of course it's Anglo-centric, but this sort of thing should be encouraged. 100 Years Ago The Canadians have secured Mont Sorrel and proved the utility of Behaviour Modification, which will be widely used at the Somme. Speaking of which, we're spending a long time considering some battlefield tactics to be used by the BEF that were actually quite good, and some that were less so, and guess what, a plan that involves the men "climbing out of our trenches and walking very slowly towards the enemy" actually turns out to be not as ridiculous as a satirical comedy would have us believe. In other news; we take a moment to catch up with Edward Mousley, whose adventures are far from over; Lt-Col Fraser-Tytler visits his observation post; E.S. Thompson sees two people die of dysentery; and Maximilian Mugge, now on light duty, has plenty of time to think about the betterment of society.
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Elyv posted:the last time I was reading those books haven was no longer lead by the committee of public safety and robert s pierre (get it) and are now good guys and the bad guys were the shadowy conspiracy of slavers and ubermenchen Having female not-Napoleon fail and get blown up in her not-Brumaire was an interesting swerve, I thought.
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BeigeJacket posted:Are any of these Cold War Gone Hot trash novels any good at all? I just want to grog out with tank porn. The Guardians starts out great! Full scale exchange, a special ops unit has to get the President from the White House to the secret rebuild-the-nuked-US enclave in a small convoy of V-150 Super Commandoes, actually decent writing (by which I mean, a good command of the language, actually decent prose), it's Mad Max meets John Rambo. Then after the first book it gets totally ridiculous. Eventually there is magic involved, I'm told. Actual magic. But I never made it that far. And I was 12.
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feedmegin posted:Having female not-Napoleon fail and get blown up in her not-Brumaire was an interesting swerve, I thought. To be honest, other than manticore being space england in every way, haven being lead by the committee of public safety for some time, and incredibly tortured age of sail analogs that lead to things like crossing the t being a thing, I don't think the story maps all that well to the French Revolution and following events
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Cold War gone hot fiction is the best! Especially Threads.
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lenoon posted:Cold War gone hot fiction is the best! Especially Threads.  God, I only saw Threads once nearly a decade ago, but I still think about it all the time.
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I'm quite happy with this as my Cold War Gone Hot ration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebOmKEsyDQs I first saw it at exactly the right age for the final line to hit me as hard as it possibly could have.
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Elyv posted:the last time I was reading those books haven was no longer lead by the committee of public safety and robert s pierre (get it) and are now good guys and the bad guys were the shadowy conspiracy of slavers and ubermenchen I've read two books from Honorverse, I think (Basilisk Station and the one where they blow up ubermenchen eugenics HQ) and the part about the books ending up in a "x ship launched bajillion missiles, y missile got intercepted, z got through" is definitely true. It wants combat to be tragic like in real life, but manages to make it extremely boring. I wonder if Russians have a bunch of Cold War Gone Hot And Well For Russians novels. I bet they do, but nobody translated them because nobody really cares for Russian nationalism/barely-concealed pining for the glory days of the USSR
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Elyv posted:I've read 15+ honorverse books ama No thanks!
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JcDent posted:I've read two books from Honorverse, I think (Basilisk Station and the one where they blow up ubermenchen eugenics HQ) and the part about the books ending up in a "x ship launched bajillion missiles, y missile got intercepted, z got through" is definitely true. It wants combat to be tragic like in real life, but manages to make it extremely boring. The hot thing in trashy Russian historical fiction is a hero from modern days who appear in the past and influence WWI, the revolution/Civil War, or WWII somehow. The genre is called popadantsy (those who ended up in something), while actual historians gave it the derogatory nickname vpopudantsy (those who let you put it in their butt). As far as I can tell, the only value of those books is in their amazing cover art.
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I've been playing a lot of War of the Roses, and this got me thinking about the 15th century. Everyone always talks about the equipment of mercenaries and k***hts because of the rise of professional soldiers, but did rulers still levy people, and if so what equipment would they have used? There's probably huge regional variations on this stuff so I guess learning about English levies would be fine.
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