How will you be voting in the UKEU Referendum? This poll is closed. |
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Remain - Keep Britane Strong! | 328 | 15.40% | |
Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! | 115 | 5.40% | |
Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy | 506 | 23.76% | |
Leave - But only because the EU is terrible | 157 | 7.37% | |
Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea | 61 | 2.86% | |
I'm not going to vote | 19 | 0.89% | |
I'm not allowed to vote | 411 | 19.30% | |
Pissflaps | 533 | 25.02% | |
Total: | 2130 votes |
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Gonzo McFee posted:I hope gangs of youths terrify every elderly person going anywhere near a polling station. It's not too late for one of 'those' heatwaves
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:16 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 07:15 |
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Surely that'd be the double-edged sword of demoralizing potential remain voters too? Also isn't there some effect where the more people want to do something the more normal it becomes to people who haven't made up their mind?
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:19 |
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hookerbot 5000 posted:But the SNP are seen as incredibly pro Europe, the big argument that if the UK votes leave it'll trigger another Scottish referendum is based on the idea that Scotland (and by extension the SNP) are hugely in favour of voting to remain. There's no ambiguity there at all.So the argument that Corbyn is making us leave the EU because 'something' doesn't make sense (as is often the case) because support from the SNP supporters and support from Labour supporters is pretty much identical. I'm very certain the majority of Scotland is Remain, so if England's greater majority vote Leave we're going to get another schism and this time we're almost certainly going to be saying Yes to independence because jesus christ the two countries are so different in political thoughts that it will be impossible to come to any agreement in a Leave campaign.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:23 |
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Coohoolin posted:It was the old people that hosed us then and it'll be the old people that gently caress us this time. In regards to the IndyRef this isn't true. Full indyref survey reveals young voters voted No and only 25-39 age group said Yes quote:THE elderly did not rob the young of an independent Scotland, according to YouGov's final poll of how Scotland voted in the independence referendum.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:29 |
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quote:Their study of 3,188 voters Hmmm.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:34 |
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Zephro posted:This is sort of what I mean about how Remain are handling this. People who ask the question usually don't care about what immigrants do to wages generally across the nation, or at least not as much as what they think immigrants do or will do to their wages or jobs specifically. An American example to make things uncontroversial: those workers at the air conditioning factory who all lost their jobs because management moved the factory to Mexico probably don't care about the diffuse benefit that slightly cheaper air conditioners brings to every other American, but they care very much indeed about the fact that they're now unemployed. But then what can you do? Every single fact indicates that immigration just doesn't affect wages and that jobs just don't get stolen, but there's this mad irrational perception that they do. The sad reality is if by some act of god you lose your job to a foreign worker that poo poo is your fault for being poo poo and not their fault for being here and not the government's fault for letting them in (I mean maybe it's the government's fault for being bad at education, but meh). But you can't persuade people that they're to blame for anything that's their own fault.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:39 |
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Coohoolin posted:Hmmm. That's a very good sample size.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:41 |
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Coohoolin posted:Hmmm. Oh god are we going to have to have the sample chat?
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:41 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:That's a very good sample size. Depends on how big the sample of 18-24's are. They are saying Ashcroft's 2000 person survey only had 14 of that low age bracket, which may have skewed things, but then don't state how big their own section was. It's a reasonable sample size overall, but it can be incredibly shut for demographics.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:44 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:That's a very good sample size. Not sure the study had good samples down the line quote:However, only 14 people in that age group responded to the survey. But then again I did terribly at my statistics module so I'll defer to other people here.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:45 |
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So what's everyone drinking after voting? I'm going to hoard spiced rum.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:46 |
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Coohoolin posted:Hmmm. I realise that's less comprehensive than "people on coohoolin's Facebook feed (that he agrees with)" and "wings over Scotland commenters"
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:46 |
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Yorkshire Tea posted:But then what can you do? Every single fact indicates that immigration just doesn't affect wages and that jobs just don't get stolen, but there's this mad irrational perception that they do. The sad reality is if by some act of god you lose your job to a foreign worker that poo poo is your fault for being poo poo and not their fault for being here and not the government's fault for letting them in (I mean maybe it's the government's fault for being bad at education, but meh). But you can't persuade people that they're to blame for anything that's their own fault. "I feel it" trumps "Here's information". That's why anecdotes are so important to things like this, because it then becomes real to people.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:46 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:So what's everyone drinking after voting? I'm going to hoard spiced rum. Mulled wine.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:48 |
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I've made peace with getting hosed by the vote. Not looking forward to it especially as I'll be job hunting again soon but at least I know it's coming. Just another poo poo sandwich served up by the electorate like 2015. All the retards who expect sunshine and lollipops after Nige takes back are cuntry will be in for a massive shock though.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:49 |
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Coohoolin posted:Not sure the study had good samples down the line 14 is the sample size of "young people" in the Ashcroft poll being rebuffed, not the YouGov one you're criticising
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:50 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:So what's everyone drinking after voting? I'm going to hoard spiced rum. Already voted and working next day. Got some russian standard to drown my sorrows after though
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:52 |
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Yorkshire Tea posted:But then what can you do? Every single fact indicates that immigration just doesn't affect wages and that jobs just don't get stolen, but there's this mad irrational perception that they do. The sad reality is if by some act of god you lose your job to a foreign worker that poo poo is your fault for being poo poo and not their fault for being here and not the government's fault for letting them in (I mean maybe it's the government's fault for being bad at education, but meh). But you can't persuade people that they're to blame for anything that's their own fault. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Backfire_effect
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:54 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:So what's everyone drinking after voting? I'm going to hoard spiced rum.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:55 |
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I'll drink cheap Polish lager for the last time it'll feel like it then go into work hungover the next day and growl incomprehensibly at my student until either she stops listening or someone sends me home.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 17:55 |
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Niric posted:14 is the sample size of "young people" in the Ashcroft poll being rebuffed, not the YouGov one you're criticising Ah misread it. In any case "old people cost us the referendum" isn't necessarily refuted by "other age groups also voted No". If we took old people out of the equation, would Yes have won?
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 18:04 |
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Yorkshire Tea posted:But then what can you do? Every single fact indicates that immigration just doesn't affect wages and that jobs just don't get stolen, but there's this mad irrational perception that they do. The sad reality is if by some act of god you lose your job to a foreign worker that poo poo is your fault for being poo poo and not their fault for being here and not the government's fault for letting them in (I mean maybe it's the government's fault for being bad at education, but meh). But you can't persuade people that they're to blame for anything that's their own fault.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 18:23 |
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Coohoolin posted:Ah misread it. But what if taking out 16-24 would've also made Yes win, then did 16-24s AND old people cost you the referendum?
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 18:47 |
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Coohoolin posted:Ah misread it. Well you'd need the figures of turnout by age and then calculate the result by using that to weight likely voting preference. There's also the definitional problem of "old."
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 18:51 |
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its anyone over 30
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 18:53 |
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Coohoolin posted:Ah misread it. Let's do the numbers. We'll assume that turnout was 100% proportional. We'll also eliminate the 18-24 bracket as the numbers aren't statistically meaningful. Our brackets are: 25-39 - 1031923 40-59 - 1513756 60-64 - 316998 (Source) Those brackets break 55:45, 47:53 and 45:55 respectively. That equates to a total of 1,421,672 votes for Yes and 1,441,005 votes for No. So even without pensioners, No would have won unless the young came out in favour of independence. Before you start about the young: the most reliable poll I know on 16-19 year olds was the Aberdeenshire Schools Referendum, which had a better than 90% turnout of all children who would be that age on referendum day and which came out something like 79% in favour of No. E: I don't have time to run the full spread as I'm going out, but assuming even breakdown by year, 20-24s would have had to have voted something like 7:1 in favour of independence. It was never happening. Jedit fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jun 14, 2016 |
# ? Jun 14, 2016 18:54 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:The generational gap is quite infuriating. That a decision that will massively impact the future of young people in this country might go against them because Gladys and Wilfred saw a foreign on the bus and got perturbed. It's more infuriating that that's enough to get Gladys and Wilfred into the voting booth and not the people whose futures will be impacted. gently caress olds. gently caress kids. gently caress everyone. Don't know how much exposure it's gotten, but this was fab.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 18:58 |
Manic_Misanthrope posted:So what's everyone drinking after voting? I'm going to hoard spiced rum. Havana Club in celebration of the wounding of European neoliberalism
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 18:59 |
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Rolled Cabbage posted:
made the front page of the graun this morning
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 18:59 |
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XMNN posted:its anyone over 30
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:00 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:So what's everyone drinking after voting? I'm going to hoard spiced rum. im off the sauce so it's seltzer water for me
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:03 |
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I'll probably be drinking blood
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:04 |
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probably a fruit smoothie
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:06 |
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I got my entire local family to change from leave to uncertain/remain by telling them they could live in portugal on their pension and get NHS coverage at the same time they don't make alcohol strong enough to wash away this much bitterness
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:06 |
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Manic_Misanthrope posted:So what's everyone drinking after voting? I'm going to hoard spiced rum. Probably water because it's all I can afford. Which is probably the loving EU's fault, the bastards. If I had that £350m a week that they steal from us, dirty foreign bastards, I'd do what I did at the 2015 general election, drink nothing until 10pm, then as soon as the polls close break open a terrible, cheap, bottle of vodka, probably Glen's. The main aim being to black out before the result is confirmed. Because the best way to cope with the electorate voting in a way that leaves you with an existential sense of horror is to wake up feeling like death.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:06 |
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Spangly A posted:I got my entire local family to change from leave to uncertain/remain by telling them they could live in portugal on their pension and get NHS coverage at the same time portuguese moonshine would give it a good go JFairfax fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Jun 14, 2016 |
# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:07 |
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If it's a small consolation, most polls are GB-only. NI, ex-pats, and Gibraltar combined should add an extra percent onto Remain, given they mostly lean that way.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:11 |
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oh man gibraltar is gonna get loving messy if we vote out
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:13 |
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the Spanish would have so much fun loving with Gibraltar if they didn't have to play nice at the border
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:13 |
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# ? Jun 8, 2024 07:15 |
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JFairfax posted:probably a fruit smoothie I had a smoothie for the first time today. Nice flavour but def. feels like drinking cold puke.
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# ? Jun 14, 2016 19:13 |