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Jaaam posted:Nobody who plays video games is cool in the first place so this doesn't matter. That's kind of my issue with the way shields work in the souls games. They could be so much cool, but I guess it would be too tough to allow for actual attacks and the like with medium shields. Maybe a power stance type of move set, but with a 1handed weapon and a shield. Also, I never found just tanking damaging to be particularly effective, so I roll and dodge more than block even while using a shield. Far easier to position your self during fights that way. I guess greatshields would be good for tanking though. Fire Barrel fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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playing a living mountain of beef dragging around a huge greatshield is a pretty fun gimmick, but shields get so stale especially after how many Souls games. i'm glad Bloodborne opened up more people to the idea of leaving the shield at home.
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Genocyber posted:The (Hunter) torch actually had solid damage. Upgraded, and especially with some arcane, it did very good damage to beasts when you got it, and it stays pretty useful throughout for enemies weak to fire, especially the few that are super resistant to physical stuff. Yes, and BB had those dudes who would get blinded by the torch (unless there are enemies who do so in DSIII) which was kinda cool, if simple. Also, I may be misremembering, but it felt like BB had way more dark areas that required a torch, but then again it matches the game's theme. Mystic Stylez fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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Guillermus posted:I like the Spider shield, on top of that it offers 50 poison damage (it isn't inmune to poison/toxic like DS1 while blocking but hey). I really recommend leveling str to 18 and using Shield of Want. Really good block values and stability and the sweet +souls buff. e: can't be infused but simple infusion takes ages to get even one spell's worth restored. DeadlyHalibut fucked around with this message at 23:43 on Jun 15, 2016 |
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Million Ghosts posted:playing a living mountain of beef dragging around a huge greatshield is a pretty fun gimmick, but shields get so stale especially after how many Souls games. i'm glad Bloodborne opened up more people to the idea of leaving the shield at home. Yeah, I think BB's combat, overall, on point for the most part. Perhaps a bit too easy once you got use to it, but definitely the most satisfying gameplay of the Souls games. Would've liked to have seen some of the weapons tweaked a bit, but the sliding, parrying/visceral attack, and overall pace of the game's combat made for a very engaging experience. As for shields in ARPGs, I think Dragon's Dogma handled it really well. A bit over the top for some contexts, but the fighter blended mobility, blocking/parrying, and power. You're not just a boring tank - which is often my issues with the ways game depict fighters in armor or using shields, or both. You're not just taking huge blows on the shield - you're parrying, attacking, and moving into the action. These are all much more enjoyable, at least in my opinion. I mean, most "medium" shields weren't metal and weren't really cumbersome things just to soak up hits.
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Fire Barrel posted:That's kind of my issue with the way shields work in the souls games. They could be so much cool, but I guess it would be too tough to allow for actual attacks and the like with medium shields. Maybe a power stance type of move set, but with a 1handed weapon and a shield. Also, I never found just tanking damaging to be particularly effective, so I roll and dodge more than block even while using a shield. Far easier to position your self during fights that way. More realistic shield and weapon combat would be cool but probably hard to balance in the same way as having more realistic attack animations. It's just easier to follow what's going on when everyone makes huge, slow telegraphed movements.
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most games would be better if they shamelessly stole from Dragon's Dogma, except using big 2 handed swords sucked in DD and owns hard in Souls
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super fart shooter posted:Are you talking about boss fights or what? Cause it's hard to believe you hit most normal enemies enough times or in rapid enough succession for bleed to work. At least that's how I remember it in previous games
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DeadlyHalibut posted:I really recommend leveling str to 18 and using Shield of Want. Really good block values and stability and the sweet +souls buff. I have 18/22 STR/DEX so i can use the chaos astora greatsword(18) and Dark Carthus Curved Greatsword (A/A INT/FTH scaling). I have the shield of want but wanted something more... "lighter" and more fashionable with my half-viking pyro. Also having simple keeps quickstep being useful (iframes) while if you have 0 FP it doesn't have iframes. I may be wrong so please someone correct me.
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Mystic Stylez posted:Yes, and BB had those dudes who would get blinded by the torch (unless there are enemies who do so in DSIII) which was kinda cool, if simple there were no areas in bloodborne that required a torch it did more damage I guess but it was still lovely and the stun effect that the ds3 torch has is better than extra damage anyway. the beasts shying away from fire was cool tho
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i liked the ds2 long-arm guys in the cove
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Fire arrows, my droogs. Always carry a few around.
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Floodkiller posted:Not to mention that fire arrows work to light sconces as well. Hundreds of hours in dark souls 2 and I never knew this
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Digirat posted:Hundreds of hours in dark souls 2 and I never knew this Same but I'm so sure I tried and it didn't work. 
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I've never heard anyone say anything good about Boulder Heave but I've been trying it out in the fire dungeon and it's serving me very well. It pancakes a lot of enemies and does good damage against anything that's fire resistant. I doubt it'll be useful in PvP unless someone keeps charging straight forward.Carl Seitan posted:I decided to make a new character with a dex build and only using weapons with bleed. And holy poo poo does bleed trivialize a lot of encounters. That's a nice name, I think I'm going to go with "Forever Alonne" for my next dude
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The weirdest thing about the torch was that there was no pyromancy that just lit your torch. I mean cmon I would have used it five times as much if you could do that.
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How do you open up fire arrows for sale in the store? My Shrine Handmaiden has wood, feather and poison.
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Million Ghosts posted:most games would be better if they shamelessly stole from Dragon's Dogma, except using big 2 handed swords sucked in DD and owns hard in Souls Warrior owned in DD!
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MysticalMachineGun posted:How do you open up fire arrows for sale in the store? My Shrine Handmaiden has wood, feather and poison. Greirat sells them. If he's dead, give his ashes to her and then she stocks it.
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Mystic Stylez posted:Greirat sells them. If he's dead, give his ashes to her and then she stocks it. Ah, Greirat is still locked up somewhere on the High Wall for me. I'll see if he's still kicking, thanks 
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Thats the safest place for him really. Letting him out doesnt really have good consequences. For him. 
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SynthOrange posted:Thats the safest place for him really. Letting him out doesnt really have good consequences. For him. you can be his best bud and let him live a long life by just not sending him to lothric
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Manatee Cannon posted:there were no areas in bloodborne that required a torch I meant required in a "there were lots of really dark places you could see better with the torch" way instead of "you actually need it" like in The Gutter or whatever. Or perhaps my TV sucks.
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You guys.... I just spent a good 10 minutes in an invasion chasing around a host that kept summoning more dudes. Wtf lol. I invaded a world that had just gotten invaded so there was the host plus a white and a blue phantom waiting for me down where the arena is. Then I kill off the blue and then they run down to the pontiff's balcony and start summoning more dudes. Another invader comes in to help out. We manage to get into a 2v2 fight and kill off the last white phantom he had. Then he starts running around the place, trying to lure both of us off the area with all the summon signs on it and I just stood by while the other invader chases him down. And then while he was trying to run away I would throw firebombs at him from above. I finally nailed him with one to kill him while he was being a pussy and it felt so good! He was the most annoying host ever. Just didnt want to die!
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MarshyMcFly posted:You guys.... I just spent a good 10 minutes in an invasion chasing around a host that kept summoning more dudes. Wtf lol. I invaded a world that had just gotten invaded so there was the host plus a white and a blue phantom waiting for me down where the arena is. Then I kill off the blue ans then they run down to the pontiff's balcony and start summoning more dudes. Another invader comes in to help out. We manage to get into a 2v2 fight and kill off the last white phantom he had. Then he starts running around the place, trying to lure both of us off the area with all the summon signs on it and I just stood by while the other invader chases him down. And then while he was trying to run away I would throw firebombs at him from above. I finally nailed him with one to kill him while he was being a pussy and it felt so good! He was the most annoying host ever. Just didnt want to die! Welcome to Dark Souls. Not the "prepare to die" part, the "At least half of your future invasions will be exactly like this one" part.
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MarshyMcFly posted:You guys.... I just spent a good 10 minutes in an invasion chasing around a host that kept summoning more dudes. Wtf lol. I invaded a world that had just gotten invaded so there was the host plus a white and a blue phantom waiting for me down where the arena is. Then I kill off the blue ans then they run down to the pontiff's balcony and start summoning more dudes. Another invader comes in to help out. We manage to get into a 2v2 fight and kill off the last white phantom he had. Then he starts running around the place, trying to lure both of us off the area with all the summon signs on it and I just stood by while the other invader chases him down. And then while he was trying to run away I would throw firebombs at him from above. I finally nailed him with one to kill him while he was being a pussy and it felt so good! He was the most annoying host ever. Just didnt want to die! Few days ago me and another aldrich faithful chased a host around in circles for maybe ten minutes until he finally fell off a cliff by accident. *jazzhands*
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Odobenidae posted:Started a second playthrough and I'm trying some invading. Already encountered some good gimmicks, for example a bald and shirtless Bluecop named "Genie" that throws fire and uses a scimitar. I think I fell into some ganksquad's trap, though. There were three dudes all with endgame gear that I ran into. One was huge and had a fume sword, the second had smough's armor and some fuckoff crossbow that fired three lightning bolts, and the third had some giant chaos fire orb. I got destroyed, probably partly because I'm not going for a PvP build, and my sellsword twinblades aren't the greatest. LOL these guys invited me into a steam group that told me that I was bad after they ganked me. That's the second time that's happened, the first time it was some smurfing guys on a CSGO casual server.
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megalodong posted:Warrior owned in DD! warrior is fun but it sucks cause it has no options. the dual katanas are good now? onislayer does deserve to be more than a vanity move
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Manatee Cannon posted:you can be his best bud and let him live a long life by just not sending him to lothric Yep, I only (spoiling just in case) send him out two times and for the second I really really make sure patches rescues him so I can buy catarina's armor for my buddy Siegward so I can get his sweet emotes and slab. Pyro is by far the easiest char I've made for mid-game. While a bit underpowered at the start and having to rely on the raw rear end, it makes zones like past Pontiff trivial since I can just use a lovely staff and cast spook and hidden body to bypass most of the poo poo. Irithyll Dungeon was piss easy since you can run past most of the stuff and the drop to the toxic pond with arachnid bitches was just a breeze. Oh and I shamelessly used a +8 Dark Dark Sword (sorry, it sounds cooler like that  ) against dancer and destroyed it.I''m on Lothric Castle and my weapon lineup is quite great: Chaos Thrall hatchet for quickstepping behind knights, Chaos Astora Greatsword for pancaking stuff, Dark Darksword and Dark Carthus Curved Greatsword (seriously the best curved greatsword by far). Add a refined mace for all armor and a raw rear end. By endgame I'll upgrade the winged spear as it scales A/A on INT/FTH (or S if only INT or FTH) and maybe a lighting weapon to get all bases covered.
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Smol posted:Does it reduce damage as well? I thought it only prevented getting staggered mid swing. Yeah you get about a 20% reduction. Not much, but it pays off in some situations. Damage reduction may vary depending on what you're using & could possibly be tied in with the weapons blocked damage stat when used as a pseudo-shield. I haven't done much testing to see if there's a difference, but the reduction is there.
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You can take Phantom Knightslayer Tsorig and get him to fight actual Knightslayer Tsorig in the Smouldering Lake. What kind of headfuckery is that.
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Rough Lobster posted:You can take Phantom Knightslayer Tsorig and get him to fight actual Knightslayer Tsorig in the Smouldering Lake. What kind of headfuckery is that. Well Tsorig is also a knight. He doesn't discriminate
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Guillermus posted:Yep, I only (spoiling just in case) send him out two times and for the second I really really make sure patches rescues him so I can buy catarina's armor for my buddy Siegward so I can get his sweet emotes and slab. if you give Siegward his armor first, then talk to him in the sewers in Irithyll, he'll rescue Greirat instead of patches.
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Rough Lobster posted:You can take Phantom Knightslayer Tsorig and get him to fight actual Knightslayer Tsorig in the Smouldering Lake. What kind of headfuckery is that. Just the idea of clearing Smouldering Lake, Demon Ruins and the last part until the dark phantom with the basilisks... God drat, at the other hand gently caress Phantom Knightslayer Tsorig, the only way to fight him is to have enough room to stagger him with a hammer, run away, stagger and run away. And if you are on catacombs, get him to the boulder, he gets up so slow that the ball will run over him again in seconds.
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Sorry doubleplost.
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Deacons of the deep was the easiest boss I have encountered in a souls type game yet. Seriously, almost no tactics necessary, just hack your way to red eyes, and hack anything shooting magic at you. I am not really complaining, but you see this huge mob and you think it will actually be a fight. I guess if you play using magic... 
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Rough Lobster posted:You can take Phantom Knightslayer Tsorig and get him to fight actual Knightslayer Tsorig in the Smouldering Lake. What kind of headfuckery is that. Space and time are distorted in
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unlawfulsoup posted:Deacons of the deep was the easiest boss I have encountered in a souls type game yet. Seriously, almost no tactics necessary, just hack your way to red eyes, and hack anything shooting magic at you. I am not really complaining, but you see this huge mob and you think it will actually be a fight. They're pretty awful if you don't have wide swinging weapons as I understand it, rapiers and the like have issues getting to the target if they're not smart about it. Mainly I think they're an intentional joke, because you're meant to think you're coming up on Aldrich. That room contains his coffin and it is his cathedral.
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Mystic Stylez posted:I meant required in a "there were lots of really dark places you could see better with the torch" way instead of "you actually need it" like in The Gutter or whatever. Or perhaps my TV sucks. Chalice layers or maybe individual rooms also have a chance of having all the lights turned off, in which case you really do need the torch because the hand lantern is worthless for locking on to anything.
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super fart shooter posted:Are you talking about boss fights or what? Cause it's hard to believe you hit most normal enemies enough times or in rapid enough succession for bleed to work. At least that's how I remember it in previous games Whaaaaat? I don't think I ever played a Bleed build in Demon's or DS2, but it was great in DS1 and AMAZING in DS3. Uchi + Carthous Rouge + >25 Luck = some minor enemies Bleed on the FIRST hit, and EVERYTHING which can bleed definitely does so by 3 hits, most in 2. I clowned NG++ Dancer so hard with Bleed that she never even did the animations for her later phases.
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