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BetterToRuleInHell posted:How about this: This probably got lost in stupid loving gun chat, but the article in question is someone screaming about how the Syrian resistance in 2012 included Al-Qaeda in Iraq members and therefore Obama and Clinton armed the Syrian rebellion knowing full well that there were radical Islamists that would get weapons. Which, IIRC, was.publicly known and part of the debate. This is the "evidence" Trump is doubling down with. I'm starting to think he'll underperform Dukakis.
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Xae posted:Laffo at calling those "pistols". Some handguns fire bottlenecked rounds, FN Five Seven for example. Anything that isn't smoothbore has a rifled barrel; that included most modern pistols. And none of those are legally considered stocks, which is what is at issue here, wbich, appearances aside, makes those pistols in the eyes of the law. It's stupid, but laws frequently are.
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Realtalk the most frustrating thing about gun crazies is that they're right. The 2nd amendment pretty explicitly guarantees every citizen the right to their own mass-murder-suicide. I think a serious proposal to repeal and possibly replace the 2nd amendment would get a lot of public support, but not enough. Maybe up to 50% of the popular vote if the campaign was well managed. But that's still not enough. So the murders continue.
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ColdPie posted:Realtalk the most frustrating thing about gun crazies is that they're right. The 2nd amendment pretty explicitly guarantees every citizen the right to their own mass-murder-suicide. I think a serious proposal to repeal and possibly replace the 2nd amendment would get a lot of public support, but not enough. Maybe up to 50% of the popular vote if the campaign was well managed. But that's still not enough. So the murders continue. Except that's only one particular interpretation of the second amendment and one that's only recently gained ground in the courts. It's obvious the founders never intended to allow all people living in America to own or even access a gun.
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Trabisnikof posted:It's obvious the founders never intended to allow all people living in America to own or even access a gun. I believe all guns should be illegal and I really can't see how you can end up with that reading.
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Trabisnikof posted:Except that's only one particular interpretation of the second amendment and one that's only recently gained ground in the courts. Some folks could get 3/5ths of a gun.
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Trabisnikof posted:Except that's only one particular interpretation of the second amendment and one that's only recently gained ground in the courts. "Hmm, well, every adult male in our new country has a rifle, so let's write something into the Bill of Rights here that will put a stop to that." Good thinking.
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loving hell, they're cannibalizing themselves: quote:The suspicion of protesters reached a point at which Trump supporters were informing on each other for not being “real” supporters. One woman pointed security toward a couple sitting quietly in their seats. “Them,” she mouthed.
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Joementum posted:
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ColdPie posted:Realtalk the most frustrating thing about gun crazies is that they're right. The 2nd amendment pretty explicitly guarantees every citizen the right to their own mass-murder-suicide. I think a serious proposal to repeal and possibly replace the 2nd amendment would get a lot of public support, but not enough. Maybe up to 50% of the popular vote if the campaign was well managed. But that's still not enough. So the murders continue. What's the political party for "I think its really stupid that we base all our laws and our entire system off of stuff a bunch of guys came up with 240 years ago and pretend nothing has substantially changed and they didn't get anything wrong like not letting anyone who wasn't white, male, and a land owner have any rights"?
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STAC Goat posted:What's the political party for "I think its really stupid that we base all our laws and our entire system off of stuff a bunch of guys came up with 240 years ago and pretend nothing has substantially changed and they didn't get anything wrong like not letting anyone who wasn't white, male, and a land owner have any rights"? Canadian.
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STAC Goat posted:What's the political party for "I think its really stupid that we base all our laws and our entire system off of stuff a bunch of guys came up with 240 years ago and pretend nothing has substantially changed and they didn't get anything wrong like not letting anyone who wasn't white, male, and a land owner have any rights"? That has substantially changed, though.
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quote:“This place is packed,” he said, shielding his eyes against stage lights. “We have people outside who couldn’t get in. Does anybody want to give up their seat?” 
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Maoist Pussy posted:That has substantially changed, though. HA! No it hasn't.
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MariusLecter posted:Not if you don't think "Obama is a secret Muslim sabotaging America from the inside" is misinformation. That's part of why I support him, though?
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STAC Goat posted:What's the political party for "I think its really stupid that we base all our laws and our entire system off of stuff a bunch of guys came up with 240 years ago and pretend nothing has substantially changed and they didn't get anything wrong like not letting anyone who wasn't white, male, and a land owner have any rights"? Like, literally all three of the things you mentioned have changed.
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well Regulated Militia Ha! I love how the "another way you can read this" is an incompete and completely different sentance. Reinterprate this complete thought: "the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT (a loaded legal term) be infringed. Thats the setup, the windup before the pitch, the sentence where they justify what they are about to say, the real meat of the amendment. The. Right. Of. The. People. Shall. Not. Be. Infringed. The gun nuts are right, and gun control never passes because you are wrong and just want to do something!!! MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Bolt action rifles would i guess be great for halting a patrol on a rural road without commiting much manpower (gotta run before the artillery comes in! How would that in work in America? I get that one area of one county might collapse, but I don't see how that would accomplish anything besides wrecking their own economy and sparking a small refugee crises in neighboring areas. Like, say your militia can take over a neighborhood, how do they travel fifty or sixty miles to take over even a small city with a metropolitan area containing millions and a police force numbering in the tens of thousands? Why would career police officers give up high paying jobs, pensions and benefits to die for crazy power fantasy? Why would career soldiers give up their pensions and benefits to do it? We've seen over and over how these militia stand offs end. It doesn't matter how heavily armed they are; the true believers suicide by cop and everyone else gets arrested.
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), but for building to building you absolutely need a "Semi automatic with a box magazine". The army already outguns us by so much, and you want to make it worse!?
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STAC Goat posted:What's the political party for "I think its really stupid that we base all our laws and our entire system off of stuff a bunch of guys came up with 240 years ago and pretend nothing has substantially changed and they didn't get anything wrong like not letting anyone who wasn't white, male, and a land owner have any rights"? You mean like a party that believes in just selectively ignoring laws they find inconvenient at the moment rather than following well-established, often-used rules for changing laws considered to be mistaken or obsolete? We've got those, but they generally have awful views especially if you're not in their ingroup.
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Lemming posted:Ah, good, this behavior is not extremely frightening at all. It's exactly the kind of behavior that Trump is calling for in muslim communities; people should inform on their neighbors. It's not a ridiculous thing to say that everyone has a responsibility to report criminal activity but, it degenerates into neighbors imagining conspiracies and reporting based on speculation alone or just outright making poo poo up to screw people you don't like.
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radical meme posted:It's exactly the kind of behavior that Trump is calling for in muslim communities; people should inform on their neighbors. Yeah, calling people Trumpenstaffel is less and less funny
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Is Maoist Pussy an honest to god Trump fan or some accelerationist looking forward to the revolution that brings down the nation? The former, I think. They're an unironic transphobe who regularly says genuinely awful things about transgender people. I'm upset to even see them here posting again. hoping the permaban comes swiftly.
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Maoist Pussy posted:"Hmm, well, every adult male in our new country has a rifle, so let's write something into the Bill of Rights here that will put a stop to that." Good thinking. Lol good job there white washing history. But you're wrong if you think the founding fathers wanted "every adult male" to be allowed to own or use a gun.
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Maoist Pussy posted:Pistols and pistol rounds are not designed to be fired from the shoulder, though. But even they can be turned into rifles. For example:  That is an example of what is probably one of the most common "SBR" out there next to the AR platform. A glock with a $50 stock you can get from amazon. Literally. Prime shipping too. The SBR designation honestly has almost more to do with adding stocks to existing handguns than it does regulating cut down or shortened rifles. They're easier to conceal, and if you step into the realm of SMGs, otherwise known as pistol caliber carbines/rifles, you have very high rates of fire with very low recoil rounds. Xae posted:Laffo at calling those "pistols". You're not wrong. But welcome to the world of Bureaucracies and Regulations. When you start introducing specifics, you're creating loop holes. Somewhere down the line someone at the ATF or some other agency had to sit down and list what exactly defined a "pistol", "rifle", "shotgun", and "handgun" were. Those definitions produce things like that 5.56 NATO, 20 in long pistol. For even more fun take a look at this video about a "firearm" someone made that exists exclusively in the NFA and ATF's blind spots: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP5KbWOe64g Also BTW, I'm not a gun nut and am for heavily increased regulation and even outright repealing or modifying the 2A. I just know this stuff because I have a lot of family very into guns, and from looking this stuff up myself after so many gun chats.
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MattD1zzl3 posted:Ha! I love how the "another way you can read this" is an incompete and completely different sentance. Your complete thought is missing like half of the text please try again
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Trabisnikof posted:Lol good job there white washing history. But you're wrong if you think the founding fathers wanted "every adult male" to be allowed to own or use a gun. That portion of history was already white-washed. I cannot credit my contributions.
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Spatula City posted:The former, I think. They're an unironic transphobe who regularly says genuinely awful things about transgender people. I'm upset to even see them here posting again. hoping the permaban comes swiftly. Personally I hope they have an epiphany that changes their positions, for example coming out to themselves, and they change. Worked for me 
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Spatula City posted:The former, I think. They're an unironic transphobe who regularly says genuinely awful things about transgender people. I'm upset to even see them here posting again. hoping the permaban comes swiftly. Same, but for all the loving gunchat people who won't shut up as well.
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Literally The Worst posted:Your complete thought is missing like half of the text please try again He removed the non-sequitur that some idiot founding father accidentally scribbled down halfway through the amendment without thinking.
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Evil Fluffy posted:Same, but for all the loving gunchat people who won't shut up as well. I mean, this has been one of our most civil gunchats ever. Usually it's just Lejackal coming in and being a twat. But I am out of "weird poo poo that the gun manufacturers use to get around the ATF to sell restricted things freely". So I'm really done at least.
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:How about this: I didn't really think about it, but Trump pulled the credentials of the Washington Post for putting 2 and 2 together and "insinuating" to something he just doubled down on in less convoluted terms. 
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Literally The Worst posted:Your complete thought is missing like half of the text please try again It's the part of the sentence that actually has instructive content and a makes an actionable declaration as "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state," is very much not a complete thought and does not suggest that it should limit or modify what follows, it's a preface. To make a totally ridiculous example- let's say we're in a frat, and our frat's founding document says "Proper keggers being a necessary component of the college experience, the right of our all of brothers to possess and consume alcohol should not be infringed." To me that seems like a pretty clear indication that we can't pass restrictions on alcohol consumption for our members without amending the founding document through whatever procedure we have for that. You apparently believe that the explanatory preface means that we're free to pass bylaws restrict alcohol possession and consumption among our members exclusively to "proper keggers," and we can choose to define what "proper" and "kegger" mean such that the only time that qualifies are university approved social events, serving university approved alcohol, and attended exclusively by frat members who are either graduate students or otherwise employed by the university. That interpretation is not a reasonable one. We might conclude through our fraternity's ridiculously long common law history that we can place some restrictions on alcohol consumption so we don't have people butt chugging vodka in the middle of the lawn or whatever, but we should be putting far more weight on the declaration in the second half of that sentence than on using a tortured reading of the first to just do whatever we want, even if the University Administration is currently breathing down our necks because one of our brothers just threw up outside the Dean's office. LGD fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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