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Virigoth posted:
This. I got a signing bonus of 1500 shares which seems great! Until you read the fine print that says 1/3 of that vests after the first year and then a portion every month until it is fully vested in 4 years. This tends to keep people around in a job they hate because they don't want to walk away from that money, and that in turns makes them difficult to deal with on a daily basis.
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You also have to be mindful of how vulnerable you are to equity dilution. The nice thing about being paid in money is your company can't just issue a bunch more to make yours mostly worthless.
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NippleFloss posted:You also have to be mindful of how vulnerable you are to equity dilution. The nice thing about being paid in money is your company can't just issue a bunch more to make yours mostly worthless.
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NippleFloss posted:You also have to be mindful of how vulnerable you are to equity dilution. The nice thing about being paid in money is your company can't just issue a bunch more to make yours mostly worthless. You are right, that's what governments are for!
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Arsten posted:Wow. That list makes you look very unknowledgeable about quite a few disciplines. Helpdesk and sysadmin are not the average for IT. Here is a list of local average salaries for non senior IT jobs. Data scientist, $130k, software engineer, $110k, devops engineer, $120k, sales engineer, $97k, UX designer, $95k, site reliability engineer, $128k, QA manager, security engineer, $124k, IT manager $112k, software architect, $142k, analytics manager, $125k, solutions architect, $129k. People in higher paying jobs are treated better in general. Higher paid jobs have more financial leverage to get better working conditions. Fast food workers in particular get treated like poo poo all the time. Veterinarians require 8 years of school and state licensing. A paralegal requires a degree, work experience and a formal certification. Neither paralegals or vet techs are well paid. Have you worked on a farm for even a single day? It is exhausting work. On a cranberry farm Furford pickers and bog buggy's haven't changed. The entire harvest season is long days and then when its over you have to find a new job. Working in IT is a sweet gig compared to any of the above. Great pay, low unemployment, future growth, minimal risk of injury, cushy benefits.
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# ? Jun 16, 2016 08:25 |
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Arsten posted:Legal workers who aren't attorneys? You mean the paralegals that tend to make 50K per year to enter and 70+k per year if they show they aren't drooling morons? My mother's a paralegal. She owns 3 houses in California. I remember 25 years ago we typically split a hot dog to go with our Mac and cheese for dinner because that's all she could afford. She also works from home. So yeah, I kinda chuckle at paralegals being poor and downtrodden. Also, the degree and certification "requirement" is exactly the same as any IT job listing. She had neither to get the exact position she still has 10 years later. She spent a lot of her life being a secretary for a law firm and stuck with it, learning more. Now she moved across the country and makes a good amount of money. Sounds probably very similar to a lot of people in this thread. Arsten posted:It doesn't, though. Traditional construction workers start out at 45-50K and in high demand years can put in enough overtime to hit 80+k. And this is my dad. I do his taxes for him and this is completely accurate for one of the lowest cost of living areas in the US. The starting pay may be a bit high - it's probably more like 40-50 is what you'll earn with some overtime while the 80k+ is the same job/workload after you've put in a few years.
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So, new job wants automated os & software deployment. I get to pretty much choose, so guys, please give suggestions, and tell me if products suck rear end. Looking at all things like opsi.org, Zenworks, CA, WDS...
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Friend: "Hey you were looking for a cheaper ESB alternative to BizTalk right? You should look into OpenESB." Me: *check wikipedia* "OpenESB is a Java-based..." Noooope.
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Dark Helmut posted:I worked as an independent contractor for the cable company. I'd follow cable techs for installs of wireless routers, static IP modems, and general internet troubleshooting stuff for commercial AND residential and I can 100% corroborate. It was awful and at times traumatic and just plain unhealthy and all I did was work with computers. The cable guys had it MUCH worse. Crawling through attics in FL heat, in lovely crawlspaces and dealing with horrible people. We live in a first world country and I saw some truly deplorable poo poo... Literally. Made a ton of money, but I'll never do that again. I actually miss cabling. It was a tough job, where I was at best "uncomfortable" 12 hours a day. But if I made more money than I do now, and had benefits I'd go back in a heartbeat. You're essentially invisible, don't have to answer to half a dozen bosses, there's no red tape, don't get berated for doing exactly what you were told to do, yadda yadda yadda. Essentially, it can be lovely, mindless, and unrewarding at times, but it's way less stressful and frustrating than my current job. Also, you don't have to deal with printers. gently caress printers.
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NippleFloss posted:You also have to be mindful of how vulnerable you are to equity dilution. The nice thing about being paid in money is your company can't just issue a bunch more to make yours mostly worthless. And let's not forget preference! Many a time the proceeds from a company sold at a profit never make it down to the common stock.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I actually miss cabling. It was a tough job, where I was at best "uncomfortable" 12 hours a day. I use to do a lot of physical installs of satellite internet dishes, WISP antennas, Wireless AP deployments, etc where I would get to climb on buildings and install all of theses things and run the cable. I really miss it too. You got to work in a new place every couple of days and meet new people. Each building was its own unique puzzle that had to be solved. This was also in rural Alaska and I felt like I was living in the wild west. Taking sled rides behind a snow machine(mobile) carrying all my gear out into the middle of nowhere. Working all day until 8-9PM and then taking a short walk to go catch some huge salmon for dinner, those were the days. If I could I'd love to get some higher paying good with benefits job that got me out of the office more and in a new environment every once in a while. Bonus if I get to climb towers occasionally.
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BaseballPCHiker posted:I use to do a lot of physical installs of satellite internet dishes, WISP antennas, Wireless AP deployments, etc where I would get to climb on buildings and install all of theses things and run the cable. I really miss it too. You got to work in a new place every couple of days and meet new people. Each building was its own unique puzzle that had to be solved. I hear linemen get paid a good amount. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDa6nM0o5JU
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I actually miss cabling. It was a tough job, where I was at best "uncomfortable" 12 hours a day. I have nothing but respect for anyone mad enough to be willing to splice fiber optic cable out in the field. The poo poo that can turn up in Joints and FISTS is amazing here in Australia.
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lampey posted:devops engineer, $120k
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lampey posted:Helpdesk and sysadmin are not the average for IT. Here is a list of local average salaries for non senior IT jobs. Data scientist, $130k, software engineer, $110k, devops engineer, $120k, sales engineer, $97k, UX designer, $95k, site reliability engineer, $128k, QA manager, security engineer, $124k, IT manager $112k, software architect, $142k, analytics manager, $125k, solutions architect, $129k. People in higher paying jobs are treated better in general. Higher paid jobs have more financial leverage to get better working conditions. Fast food workers in particular get treated like poo poo all the time. Any data scientist making that kind of money is going to have a PH.D, and that is not an entry or mid level position. Honestly, those numbers all seem high even from an expensive market like Chicago or NYC where we have offices and most of those roles.
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What does a Microsoft Windows Update QA person make? Because I have some suggestions on how much to cut their pay by, after this month's updates.
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CLAM DOWN posted:What does a Microsoft Windows Update QA person make? Because I have some suggestions on how much to cut their pay by, after this month's updates.
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anthonypants posted:Microsoft doesn't believe in QA. Literally. PCjr sidecar posted:Why pay for ten manual testers when you can hire two SDETs for the same price?
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anthonypants posted:Microsoft doesn't believe in QA. Literally. quote:PS: I'm a cowboy coder and I would never get near software where my idiot mistakes could endanger lives. Well thank gently caress for that
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we're the QA department
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go3 posted:we're the QA department Our reports are being ignored just the same, so really it isn't any different.
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anthonypants posted:Microsoft doesn't believe in QA. Literally. Um, except that's not what the author of that article is saying? quote:Ah, but what does testing mean? Herein lies the other downfall of many. It does not mean manually repeating steps to make sure something works. It does not mean multi-step documents telling your peers "how to run tests on this." Continuous integration and rapid iteration mean writing software to test your software. If the way you test that the thing you wrote is to start an app and click some buttons or type some commands then you have royally hosed up. That's called QA, and it's a totally different thing, and it is not what test is considered to be. I'm not a programmer (and yes, the guy sounds like an rear end in a top hat), but it seems you're misinterpreting his words.
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MiniFoo posted:Um, except that's not what the author of that article is saying?
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I hear linemen get paid a good amount. It's mostly because of hazard pay. My father-in-law has been a lineman for almost 25 years and his body has worn to the point where he literally can't do it anymore. He makes loving bank but now he can barely move and is faced with the choice of being stuck behind a desk waiting to collect pension or just retiring right now and living off of savings until pension/SS kicks in. He's also told some of the most stories about watching coworkers die right in front of him from electrocution or nasty falls. It's a job that will wreck you, physically and emotionally.
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mayodreams posted:Any data scientist making that kind of money is going to have a PH.D, and that is not an entry or mid level position. Those numbers all seem pretty reasonable, though I'd submit that none of those are "non-senior IT" though they are non-management positions, maybe that's what he means?
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lampey posted:Helpdesk and sysadmin are not the average for IT. Here is a list of local average salaries for non senior IT jobs. Data scientist, $130k, software engineer, $110k, devops engineer, $120k, sales engineer, $97k, UX designer, $95k, site reliability engineer, $128k, QA manager, security engineer, $124k, IT manager $112k, software architect, $142k, analytics manager, $125k, solutions architect, $129k. People in higher paying jobs are treated better in general. Higher paid jobs have more financial leverage to get better working conditions. Fast food workers in particular get treated like poo poo all the time. Each and every one of those positions require education - demonstrated education, by the by. You can't just walk in from McDonalds at 18 and expect to get into any of them. And, yeah, some people can make it into those jobs in 5 or so years because they do nothing but educate themselves about some aspect of IT. More commonly? Ten years experience, usually in progressively more applicable roles with at least 3 years in a similar or step-to role. And help desk, Sys Admin, and Network Admin (or some bastard hybrid of the three) are the most common roles in IT by number of people that work them. lampey posted:Veterinarians require 8 years of school and state licensing. A paralegal requires a degree, work experience and a formal certification. Neither paralegals or vet techs are well paid. lampey posted:Have you worked on a farm for even a single day? It is exhausting work. On a cranberry farm Furford pickers and bog buggy's haven't changed. The entire harvest season is long days and then when its over you have to find a new job. quote:There are still a few farm types that need manual labor, but then you are talking about il/legal immigrants in this country who are paid beans. Are you trying to say that since immigrants make nothing, IT workers should make nothing? You also failed to answer the question. IT Workers should be paid nothing because someone, somewhere has it worse? That's not only backwards thinking, it's toxic. Let's apply that anywhere else: Be happy you work at a counter at McDonalds, guy, some illegal immigrants have to pick cranberries for a buck an hour while evading INS. Forget $15/hour, they should work for $1 an hour so that they have it the same as people in different situations. Right? It makes as much sense as the older generations that tell the younger generations to quit whining because they put themselves through college in 1972 on minimum wage and the world hasn't changed one bit since then, so obviously the new generations are whining about nothing. lampey posted:Working in IT is a sweet gig compared to any of the above. Great pay, low unemployment, future growth, minimal risk of injury, cushy benefits. Ugato posted:My mother's a paralegal. She owns 3 houses in California. I remember 25 years ago we typically split a hot dog to go with our Mac and cheese for dinner because that's all she could afford. She also works from home. So yeah, I kinda chuckle at paralegals being poor and downtrodden. Also, the degree and certification "requirement" is exactly the same as any IT job listing. She had neither to get the exact position she still has 10 years later. She spent a lot of her life being a secretary for a law firm and stuck with it, learning more. Now she moved across the country and makes a good amount of money. Sounds probably very similar to a lot of people in this thread. Ugato posted:And this is my dad. I do his taxes for him and this is completely accurate for one of the lowest cost of living areas in the US. The starting pay may be a bit high - it's probably more like 40-50 is what you'll earn with some overtime while the 80k+ is the same job/workload after you've put in a few years. I do know that the common trades workers (carpenters, electricians, etc) tend to start out higher and get less overtime overall.
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NippleFloss posted:Those numbers all seem pretty reasonable, though I'd submit that none of those are "non-senior IT" though they are non-management positions, maybe that's what he means? Yeah, a couple of those seem pretty well in the ballpark for sr. level non-management positions. Depending on the size of the company, the individual, and the job specifics, a couple of those can even be on the low-ish end. But yeah, that's all specialist work. Proteus Jones fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Jun 16, 2016 |
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lampey posted:Helpdesk and sysadmin are not the average for IT. Here is a list of local average salaries for non senior IT jobs. Data scientist, $130k, software engineer, $110k, devops engineer, $120k, sales engineer, $97k, UX designer, $95k, site reliability engineer, $128k, QA manager, security engineer, $124k, IT manager $112k, software architect, $142k, analytics manager, $125k, solutions architect, $129k. Odds that by "local" lampey means "San Francisco" = 99% IT sucks when you're Tier 1 making $14/hour and getting a hundred calls a day. IT, like every other office job, gets better as you work your way up and get more money and less poo poo work.
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Cenodoxus posted:It's mostly because of hazard pay. Vulture Culture fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jun 17, 2016 |
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WampaLord posted:Odds that by "local" lampey means "San Francisco" = 99% Any big city tbqh. It's not difficult to find that money in the city. That money is kinda crap for SF or NYC. The cost of living in those cities is so high.
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WampaLord posted:Odds that by "local" lampey means "San Francisco" = 99%
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I'm going to be making over 80k 3 years out of college, with over 2 weeks of paid time off (not including 15 paid holidays throughout the year) and incredible benefits. IT loving OWNS!!!
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I'm about to give up a 50k/yr job to go back to school to try to get into IT!
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The Nards Pan posted:I'm about to give up a 50k/yr job to go back to school to try to get into IT!
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adorai posted:Or you could skip school and just start working in IT. Yeah, but I already have some community college credits and I can take cheaper certs there while working on pretty good lab set ups. I should be able to get an AS in network admin along with a handful of certs in less than a year with very little debt, I'm not cutting huge checks to ITT tech or anything.
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I just applied for a job for the first time in about four years. I feel rusty
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When it's all worth it: I just called a vendor's support number and the guy on the other end was an emphatic user of the product that's kept me from sleeping for the past two weeks. He totally fanboyed out for a minute, then apologized for sounding so unprofessional.
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Got a four month consultancy at government research office, which gets me out of unemployment for a while. I have to work all summer, but I do have a balcony outside my office with a view of these guys: Also, 7 hour days, because government and summer. My contract said 8 hours, so the agency that put me here is working on ironing out the details there, but I shouldn't lose any money.
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Arsten posted:Ten years experience, Required: 5 years experience with Windows 10 and 10 years with Windows Server 2012
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:Hiring <Entry Level IT Position>! * Debunking Einstein required knowledge for our Help Desk!
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