EVE Online 2017: We are the Alphas, the Omegas and the Gankers.

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Dalael: Oct 14, 2014; Hello. Yep, I still think Atlantis is Bolivia, yep, I'm still a giant idiot, yep, I'm still a huge racist. Some things never change!

Divine Blob posted:

Uh, the milkshakes Blacktap makes are orgasmic.

Also, are there passive forms of income generation in EVE? Someone in rookie help brought it up earlier, but I can't remember it for the life of me.

There are moons and Planetary Interaction (PI).
I know nothing about moons so I can't help you there.

Regarding PI, it can be done on any planet, be it in High sec, low sec or null sec. I think it can be done in wormhole also but I really am not sure. The initial investment is low if you don't screw it up (I screw it up all the time, making it expensive for me) and requires very little time. Setting up your planet(s) might take a you an hour when you don't know what you're doing, and once that's done you're looking at about 10 minutes worth of work every few days.

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hailthefish: Oct 24, 2010

Yeah, there's no completely passive moneymaking (other than like.. skimming off corp taxes or something), but the lowest effort is probably extraction PI. Factory planets are a little more effort intensive because you have to haul the inputs as well as the outputs, but extraction and low-level processing is just restarting your cycles whenever you have your cycles set to end (shorter cycles are more 'efficient' but longer cycles mean you get to gently caress with it less often, you can go as long as like two weeks but that's lovely returns, most people go for a 24-hour cycle IIRC), and then some pretty quick hauling trips to collect your products from your planets about once a week.

# ? Jun 21, 2016 04:09

Xolve: Oct 12, 2012; Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Elsa posted:

I began to assume it was more like, these are stupid questions meant to torment people who don't understand it's all about the vouch.

Well- in PL2016 it's just a screening process to make sure you're not a total gently caress up, if you have a vouch you're practically in unless you post a horrible app (one that your vouch should have screened for you).

It's a interesting time in the Legion where if you vouch a shitter into a corp- and they gently caress up, you leave with them. Unless of course, you're an RKK director with IWI ties.

# ? Jun 21, 2016 04:15

DisgracelandUSA: Aug 11, 2011; Yeah, I gets down with the homies

Syndic Thrass posted:

Goons, please join Swoleswarm. Please work out.

# ? Jun 21, 2016 04:28

hailthefish: Oct 24, 2010

Eat the onion, DisgracelandUSA.

# ? Jun 21, 2016 04:31

Syndic Thrass: Nov 10, 2011

DisgracelandUSA posted:

Goons, please join Swoleswarm. Please work out.

I'll post pics of me eating this motherfucker tomorrow. I tried to get one tonight but the kitchen was closed by the time I tried to call one in

# ? Jun 21, 2016 05:14

Hexel: Nov 18, 2011

DisgracelandUSA posted:

Goons, please join Swoleswarm. Please work out.

I just ate a pound of bacon

# ? Jun 21, 2016 05:25

ullerrm: Dec 31, 2012; Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

Divine Blob posted:

Uh, the milkshakes Blacktap makes are orgasmic.

Also, are there passive forms of income generation in EVE? Someone in rookie help brought it up earlier, but I can't remember it for the life of me.

Yep, there are several, depending on exactly how passive you want to be about it. My mental list:

* Planetary Interaction (PI) -- Best for newbies, and honestly drat near everyone. You push buttons on a planet, with almost no ISK investment to speak of, and it generates sellable items out of thin air that you can pick up a short time later. You have to push butan again to start another cycle. You can customize how quickly it delivers; generally, the more frequently you have to push butan, the more you get out of it. Most people go for either 24-hour or 72-hour cycles, or even 1-week cycles. Can be done by anyone with no real competition to speak of; however, the more characters doing it on the same planet, the less each character gets, so you ideally want to find planets that few people are using.

* Datacore farming -- Like PI but lower and slower, and honestly barely worth doing in this day and age. You run missions for a research corporation and train up a couple of skills, and then tell an agent "produce datacores for me" and they just chug away, producing datacores on a regular interval. You can come back at any time and pick up what they've produced so far; there's no mandatory requirement to check in regularly and no upper cap on how much they can produce for you. I've forgotten about R&D agents before and come back to pick up multiple years' worth of cores. But it produces very little money, on the order of 25-30M per month per character involved.

* Industry -- You put ISK into a hole and push a button, and get out an item after a short period of time (varying from a couple hours to a couple days) that you can sell. If you're lucky enough to have predicted correctly where the market will go in that time period, then that item will sell for equal or more ISK than the amount you spent to make it. Requires some investment cash, and a relatively skilled character, but it can produce some consistent cash, without ever undocking.

* Moon mining -- Every moon in the game has a chance to contain valuable materials used in producing Tech2 mods/ships, which everyone calls "moongoo" for short. You can find out what goo is in a moon by using a survey probe on it (or looking up a moon's content on Dotlan, which may or may not be accurate/available). If you find a moon with something worth mining in a system in lowsec or nullsec, you can purchase a POS control tower and moon mining equipment, and install it on that moon. It will produce an infinite supply of that material, 100 units per hour, as long as the moon is fueled and the output silos aren't full. Can be profitable and lazy, but has a few catches:

1) Your POS can be shot by anyone.
2) Most of the really profitable moon goo is well known and squatted on by alliances, treated as alliance-level assets. So you probably won't find good poo poo.
3) Gotta show up on a regular basis (roughly weekly) to purchase fuel, undock, haul fuel to the tower, put it in the tower's fuel bay, and take away the mined goo to sell. And much of the moongoo isn't worth enough on its own to break even with the fuel used by the mining POS, unless you're using it for...

* Moon reactions -- The king of passive income. You build a control tower on any moon, and install a reactor on it, which takes two or more less-valuable types of moongoo and combines them to create a valuable type. You can mine the lovely moongoo inputs yourself, or you can buy them at a trade hub and treat them as if they were fuel. There's two ways to do it:

1) Do it in sov null-sec, which optimizes your income (because it reduces the amount of fuel consumed by the tower per hour) but allows your POS to be shot
2) Do it in high-sec, which reduces your income but makes it extremely unlikely that your POS will be shot

ullerrm fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Jun 21, 2016

# ? Jun 21, 2016 05:29

PookBear: Nov 1, 2008

Xolve posted:

Well- in PL2016 it's just a screening process to make sure you're not a total gently caress up, if you have a vouch you're practically in unless you post a horrible app (one that your vouch should have screened for you).

It's a interesting time in the Legion where if you vouch a shitter into a corp- and they gently caress up, you leave with them. Unless of course, you're an RKK director with IWI ties.

Name and shame.

Also it's been funny watching PL change over the years.its just what happens when you have so many people. What's going to bd really funny is when all the shitters that got stomped out by goons and joined horde. Sure some won't get in, but eventually you'll have shitters vouching shitters.

In no one am I trying to say PL sucks, but it's funny to see the random idiots lossmail who thought his Kronos could solo the Saranen undock, or the guy in a fit that doesn't really make sense in a command ship fleet.

# ? Jun 21, 2016 05:40

Venom Snake: Feb 19, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

ullerrm posted:

Yep, there are several, depending on exactly how passive you want to be about it. My mental list:

* Planetary Interaction (PI) -- Best for newbies, and honestly drat near everyone. You push buttons on a planet, with almost no ISK investment to speak of, and it generates sellable items out of thin air that you can pick up a short time later. You have to push butan again to start another cycle. You can customize how quickly it delivers; generally, the more frequently you have to push butan, the more you get out of it. Most people go for either 24-hour or 72-hour cycles, or even 1-week cycles. Can be done by anyone with no real competition to speak of; however, the more characters doing it on the same planet, the less each character gets, so you ideally want to find planets that few people are using.

Funny story about this, after starting a buy back program to run factories goku's planets have gone from a two dozen or so CC's in total to more than a hundred.

# ? Jun 21, 2016 06:04

Anagram of GINGER: Oct 3, 2014; by Smythe

Xolve posted:

Well- in PL2016 it's just a screening process to make sure you're not a total gently caress up, if you have a vouch you're practically in unless you post a horrible app (one that your vouch should have screened for you).

It's a interesting time in the Legion where if you vouch a shitter into a corp- and they gently caress up, you leave with them. Unless of course, you're an RKK director with IWI ties.

I won't label it shaming but I'm curious too: what do you get kicked for? I'm still having trouble understanding why you'd turn people away who are willing to put ships in fleet.

# ? Jun 21, 2016 06:11

Xolve: Oct 12, 2012; Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?