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Hodgepodge posted:Using Dr. Manhattan was an elegant solution to how to present Ozymandias' plan efficiently in a film, and was in its own way quite appropriate thematically. Instead of presenting the world with an outside threat, Ozymandias tricks the world into to recognizing America's trump card in the nuclear standoff as the real problem pushing the world to the brink of suicide. This. And in its own way, it's actually even more disturbingly empathetic of Ozy's megalomaniacal master-plan than Moore's version, where the character just decides he's going to stoke some good ol' xeno(mor)phobia. It's ultimately the post-9/11, liberal apologetic position that "They wouldn't be this radicalized if it weren't for us!" writ to the cold war scenario, and it starkly complements Rorschach's far-right ideology and the ironic position of the New Statesmen as potential redeemer of the horrific truth. One thing Snyder is really good at doing is extrapolating the political extremes of the texts which he adapts and reframing them from a deliberately oppositional viewpoint. So Watchmen becomes the version of the story that Alan Moore would have never written, precisely because it's actually a closer adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns and has this jaded, Frank Miller bent. Alternatively, Batman v Superman is an inverted adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns which deliberately assumes the Christian universalist, utopian position that Miller is too cynical to imagine. edit: Remember, Snyder's Watchmen is a satire of superhero films, where it's now fairly cliche for this highly contrived, corporate product to frame the initial evils of the world as 'false flag' manipulations or the 'original sin' of the good guys. The point is that self-criticism and conscientious 'commentary' is not the same as earnest change. Indeed, the status quo now is that we are constantly being instructed by Hollywood ideology to see the shape of the world to come as fundamentally a problem of our 'imaginations,' one that only Hollywood can fix. K. Waste fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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When I first saw the movie I thought that ending worked way better than magic squids out of nowhere. Dr Manhattan is already feared and is basically a demigod, so his apparent attack on the world would give everyone a palpable target they've already worried about. It's not out of nowhere, it builds on the exact tension that has been tearing at the world. Rereading the comic after the movie, I swing back to the comic version. A 100% "alien" threat is a better motivator because it's not at all of this world. There's no possible partisanship. Dr Manhattan is something of Earth and an actual living target to fight (even if he never comes back), something familiar and possible to humanize given time. Years or decades down the line it's believable to see people starting to question whether Jon was coerced or a patsy or any number of things. The initial shock would wear off eventually, enough that governments might start to think of themselves again and not the threat. Aliens - aliens that don't exist of course - is a purely external force that the entire planet can rally behind trying to stave off the threat. It's by nature unknowable and you can't really humanize something that wasn't human ever. By the time people start to question why the aliens never attacked again presumably the world has banded together and bootstrapped itself into a new era. I like both versions, but magic squids does work better on a longer timeline in my book.
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 Set Visit to Justice League https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XtOCPJCX74 Official Synopsis Warner Brothers posted:Fueled by his restored faith in humanity and inspired by Superman’s selfless act, Bruce Wayne enlists the help of his newfound ally, Diana Prince, to face an even greater enemy. Together, Batman and Wonder Woman work quickly to find and recruit a team of metahumans to stand against this newly awakened threat. But despite the formation of this unprecedented league of heroes—Batman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Cyborg and The Flash—it may already be too late to save the planet from an assault of catastrophic proportions. (Bolding mine) Joblo posted:- It is no longer referred to as a two part film. Zack Snyder’s Justice League is simply that: Justice League, a complete, standalone film. http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/set-visit-everything-you-need-to-know-about-zack-snyders-justice-league-228 http://uproxx.com/movies/justice-league-set-visit/ Dark_Tzitzimine fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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Looking forward to Supermullet so hard. Also, the scene descriptions were really great, especially the bit between Bruce and Barry:Justice League Scene Description posted:The scene follows Ezra Miller as Barry Allen, entering an abandoned brick building with lots of colorful graffiti which he has co-opted for his home. He turns on the power and his apartment lights up with tons of computer monitors all over the place. The light reveals Ben Affleck as Bruce Wayne sitting in a chair. Ezra Miller gonna own. Source here - http://www.slashfilm.com/justice-league-set-visit/2/
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teagone posted:Looking forward to Supermullet so hard. Also, the scene descriptions were really great, especially the bit between Bruce and Barry: The red quips are coming
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teagone posted:Also, the scene descriptions were really great, especially the bit between Bruce and Barry: Yeah, this actually sounds like something out of a movie I'd like to see. In theatres, even.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Kirby vibe, eh. Hell yeah. I was totally expecting/hoping that JL would be more inspired by Kirby, but it was nice to see them say they are aiming for it.
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The final costume was Wonder Woman, and just like Batman it's the exact same costume as last time. And again, that's unusual. Just in case we forgot this was a Zack Snyder movie Wilkinson explained the deep crimson of her breastplate by saying it reflects the "centuries of congealed blood of her victims."
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quote:My special skills include viola, web design, fluent in sign language, gorilla sign language…” This is a nice little touch
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CityMidnightJunky posted:This is a nice little touch Yeah that's awesome. Very much looking forward to Miller's Flash as the comic relief. I'm not one of the people who think the DCCU has been in desperate need of it or anything, but that has long been Flash's role and it should help with the complaints (or at least shift them elsewhere). Slightly concerned about the cutback from the 2 part film. My guess is they did that due to the BvS backlash so told Snyder to pare it back in case this one also didn't do as well as they hoped. Hopefully if it picks back up we still get more Snyder directed sequels.
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The Fuzzy Hulk posted:I would be so excited about this movie if I didn't already know Snyder will find a way to make it terrible. Good news, you don't know that.
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I am looking forward to Justice League. I am also looking forward to a great deal of handwringing about how Zack Snyder is the superhero anti-Christ and ruining All The Movies.
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They stopped talking about doing a two-parter before BvS even came out. Terrio kept on saying he wasn't doing the second one and had written Justice League as a brighter conclusion to the "trilogy" of MoS/BvS/JL, and instead of going "maybe that means they're no longer one big movie split in half" they reacted with "Justice League two-parter to change writers midstream?!" Hell, Warners dropped the "Part 1" from Justice League months out from the release of BvS when they would talk it up at investor talks or promoting the future slate to media. Like in late 2015, that's how far back we're talking. What probably happened was that both Terrio and Snyder expressed a wish to not be tied to these movies perpetually (Snyder will have been doing DC universe movies for five years straight, no real breaks, when JL comes out), so Warners gave in and cut the two-parter idea and simply stopped referring to the movies as such. Dollars to donuts they're trying to get Justin Lin on to do JL2, which is why they seem to be letting him cut loose on making Space Jam 2 his way. Snyder has both an adaptation of The Illustrated Man that he's wanted to do since Sucker Punch, and has gotten his eye on the Ayn Rand screenplay for The Fountainhead, so he wants to pursue that stuff on WB's dime as a "you owe me" for doing the whole DC thing and giving them this whole launching point and probably remaining on as an executive producer and a guy to schmooze creatives onto the projects. Terrio probably has offers to direct screenplays that he's written, and for the most part got sold on even doing these DC scripts by Affleck and Snyder in the first place.
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HIJK posted:I am looking forward to Justice League. I am also looking forward to a great deal of handwringing about how Zack Snyder is the superhero anti-Christ and ruining All The Movies. I saw how violently people rejected BvS and knew I had to see it on the big screen. Also, Man of Steel was good and pretty.
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The Cameo posted:They stopped talking about doing a two-parter before BvS even came out. Terrio kept on saying he wasn't doing the second one and had written Justice League as a brighter conclusion to the "trilogy" of MoS/BvS/JL, and instead of going "maybe that means they're no longer one big movie split in half" they reacted with "Justice League two-parter to change writers midstream?!" Ohhh my bad, this is good info. I've loved both of Snyder's DCCU films so would like more but this is better news than WB getting skittish.
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greatn posted:I'd much rather have two justice league films than one two part film. I agree. Especially with a set up movie already in the books, there's absolutely no reason a good JL story can't be told in 2 hours.
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Basebf555 posted:Is Steve Trevor going to make an appearance in Wonder Woman? Played by Chris Pine.
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That logo has some serious JL/JLU vibes. I like it.Basebf555 posted:Is Steve Trevor going to make an appearance in Wonder Woman? Chris Pine is playing a Trevor, apparently.
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The Cameo posted:Snyder has both an adaptation of The Illustrated Man that he's wanted to do since Sucker Punch, and has gotten his eye on the Ayn Rand screenplay for The Fountainhead, so he wants to pursue that stuff on WB's dime as a "you owe me" for doing the whole DC thing and giving them this whole launching point and probably remaining on as an executive producer and a guy to schmooze creatives onto the projects. Terrio probably has offers to direct screenplays that he's written, and for the most part got sold on even doing these DC scripts by Affleck and Snyder in the first place. I would kill to see Snyder's The Illustrated Man, or The Fountainhead (which would basically finally be his Starship Troopers), but I think after Sucker Punch (his Showgirls) it's gonna be increasingly difficult for him to ransom studios with blockbusters that also just barely justify their existence financially and utterly polemicize critical and popular response. edit: Famuyiwa's Flash better be dope. I already know it's gonna be better shot than Ant-Man, and it doesn't even need to go that far to be funnier, but it would be nice if both he, Wan, and Jenkins hit it out of the park just because Snyder could get some good will by proxy. K. Waste fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jun 21, 2016 |
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I'm really glad they dropped the Part 1+2 thing. I hate that crap.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm really glad they dropped the Part 1+2 thing. I hate that crap. I'm actually off the opposite opinion. We missed out on the superhero version of Fritz Lang's Die Nibelungen
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'm really glad they dropped the Part 1+2 thing. I hate that crap. I'm a little ambivalent about it. On the one hand, I think the part 1, part 2 trend of recent blockbusters needs to die. On the other hand, I don't want them to try and cram too much into a 2.5 hour runtime. If they can make two standalone Justice League movies separated by 5 years of solo ones, that would be ideal to me.
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Justice League: We nailed the Marvel formula this time
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I'm a little ambivalent about it. On the one hand, I think the part 1, part 2 trend of recent blockbusters needs to die. On the other hand, I don't want them to try and cram too much into a 2.5 hour runtime. If they can make two standalone Justice League movies separated by 5 years of solo ones, that would be ideal to me. I'd rather see a crammed, overambitious 3 hour movie than the movie equivalent of a season finale.
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I'm a little ambivalent about it. On the one hand, I think the part 1, part 2 trend of recent blockbusters needs to die. On the other hand, I don't want them to try and cram too much into a 2.5 hour runtime. If they can make two standalone Justice League movies separated by 5 years of solo ones, that would be ideal to me. It seems like they're still mostly saving Darkseid for a follow-up movie, it will just have its own name instead of being Justice League Part 2.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:I'd rather see a crammed, overambitious 3 hour movie than the movie equivalent of a season finale. What about an ambitious 5 hour movie, that is paced well? Could it be done? Could it be done with Superheroes?
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MacheteZombie posted:What about an ambitious 5 hour movie, that is paced well? Could it be done? Could it be done with Superheroes? Yes.
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Crossposting from the posters threadDark_Tzitzimine posted:Another batch of Character posters for Suicide Squad
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