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So far as I know, most of the regulations that these people are complaining about are weird protectionist things like food trademarks, which America mostly ignores. Things like champagne only being able to come from Champagne, France. There's also the fact that trade with other EU nations can't be restricted, so countries have to be roundabout with their own protectionist measures, like how Greece made it so milk expires after a couple days so imported Italian milk couldn't compete. The UK is the sort of nation that mostly benefits from free trade though. The EU also facilitates people being able to immigrate from one EU country to another, but from a racist perspective, you'd think they'd prefer European immigrants as opposed to ones from Africa, Asia, or South America, but then, I guess they also hate ethnicities as well as races. I hear a lot of UK nuts complaining about the Polish.
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SlothfulCobra posted:The EU also facilitates people being able to immigrate from one EU country to another, but from a racist perspective, you'd think they'd prefer European immigrants as opposed to ones from Africa, Asia, or South America, but then, I guess they also hate ethnicities as well as races. I hear a lot of UK nuts complaining about the Polish. They had that one clip of the ukip member claiming that an mp that was born in England "wasn't British enough" to sit in parliament because his parents were immigrants. I think you're underestimating how far racists are willing to go when it comes to excluding people from their special club.
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No Butt Stuff posted:Whatever the British version of a Tea Party is ....
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Yeah everyone knows about the typical British dislike for the rest of the EU and anything foreign, but I think a lot of us regularly forget just how much some of them hate foreigners. It's some incredibly deep-rooted racism and they're very good at bottling it up until someone pokes it the wrong way and it all comes flying out in a hilarious and alarming torrent of crazy.
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I think that classist poo poo turns outward in a hurry when things aren't great for a commoner or whatever you call a person who is allowed to be a servant but not a lord by justification that one was lucky enough to be the product of the correct pairing, some ancestral doggystyle in one of the nastiest royal orgies you've ever imagined. Fingers and fists in asses, santorum just everywhere. Really crazy poo poo. The kind of stuff you have to go to parliament and start a civil war over to reconcile with yourself and the church. When someone internalizes the logic that makes that sort of poo poo okay in 2016, you still have the royal jizzmopper and there's no way he doesn't just fight viciously to put some other class of other in a position below him in his mental hierarchy.
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Also if you're middle to lower class you do not want immigration by any means which is the largest population so... Maybe that's part of it too?
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Majorian posted:Great episode. That weird salsa version of the Ode to Joy is unacceptable, Europe. Shame on you. Yeah, Oliver's finally found a good balance between his bombastic HBO gently caress-yous and deadpan sarcasm. Talking about international politics also helped. Looking forward to next week!
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Jun 21, 2016 19:25
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A British version of our version.
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No Butt Stuff posted:A British version of our version. Sorry
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It's an incredibly regional thing, by the way. It's interesting how the areas that have many UKIP voters, and a high number of potential Brexit voters, are also the least diverse areas. The diverse cities and areas are much more open to it.
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sweek0 posted:It's an incredibly regional thing, by the way. It's interesting how the areas that have many UKIP voters, and a high number of potential Brexit voters, are also the least diverse areas. The diverse cities and areas are much more open to it. Similar phenomenon in the US. Actually being consistently exposed to diverse groups of people helps most average humans realize everyone else is just going about their life as well and aren't some crazy bogeyman out to get them. This one of the many reasons large cities tend to be significantly more liberal than rural areas.
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It seems weird that the people most bothered by immigration are the people who would be least affected by it. I mean what does it matter if foreigners are all crowding into the big cities? You don't live in the city.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:It seems weird that the people most bothered by immigration are the people who would be least affected by it. I mean what does it matter if foreigners are all crowding into the big cities? You don't live in the city. Xenophobia.
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And probably more than a little bit of racism, like this guy https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/23/make-america-white-again-a-politicians-billboard-ignites-uproar/ #makeamericawhiteagain
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Well yes, but also the fact that people living in rural and/or less well educated areas are in jobs that are more at risk from globalisation in general. I'm not at all agreeing that voting to leave the EU is the answer to that, but I can understand it.
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I'd say that I can't believe the UK did this just because a bunch of hyperconservative activists managed to scare massive amounts of regular folk into voting for something insane using misleading and outright dishonest arguing tactics... if Trump weren't the GOP presidential candidate, and if political commercials for Missouri political candidates (I live on the IL/MO border, so we see it all) didn't feature non-ironic images of candidates using assault rifles to detonate huge explosions to show just how much they love guns. Holy gently caress.
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Apparently Cameron is resigning because of the brexit vote and Scotland is saying they want to have another vote to leave the UK. If they keep melting down at this rate it's going to be full on Children of Men within a year.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Apparently Cameron is resigning because of the brexit vote and Scotland is saying they want to have another vote to leave the UK. If they keep melting down at this rate it's going to be full on Children of Men within a year.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Apparently Cameron is resigning because of the brexit vote and Scotland is saying they want to have another vote to leave the UK. If they keep melting down at this rate it's going to be full on Children of Men within a year. That could be interesting, seeing Scotland leave the UK, and then join the EU like the next day. I'd like to see Northern Ireland leave, maybe they will join back up with Ireland. Question, over/under 5 years for UK to realize the mistake they have made and beg to get back into the EU?
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PassTheRemote posted:Question, over/under 5 years for UK to realize the mistake they have made and beg to get back into the EU? In a few cases they realized their mistake pretty much instantly https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/746345810862940160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw https://twitter.com/RichardNJames/status/746259755895783424/video/1
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:In a few cases they realized their mistake pretty much instantly loving retards.  Anyone with aristic & Photoshop ability want to come up with an apropos version of this:  It's the first thing that came to mind.
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Looking at the map of how people voted, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted stay while England and Wales voted to leave http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36616028 Also, U referendum: UK 'must not delay leaving' aka, UK, don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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PassTheRemote posted:Also, U referendum: UK 'must not delay leaving' aka, UK, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I was actually thinking that this is exactly how the rest of the world should respond. I have nothing against the UK, but the situation should be dealt with harshly to communicate the gravity of the decision, and to discourage the rest of the EU members from precipitating a total dissolution.
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I have a negative gut reaction to the word "Brexit" so I blame this entirely on having a trendy, easily shared, unique name that people look up.
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Atomizer posted:I was actually thinking that this is exactly how the rest of the world should respond. I have nothing against the UK, but the situation should be dealt with harshly to communicate the gravity of the decision, and to discourage the rest of the EU members from precipitating a total dissolution. I feel like the problem is that if the rest of the world treats the UK like they probably deserve to be treated for this, the message won't reach the people that it should. It's people voting out of ignorance that made this happen, and if the rest of the world fucks them it's just going to reinforce its their prejudices rather than teach them to treat decisions like these with the gravity they deserve.
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I hope this helps people in the US realize their votes matter, since I still have people saying that they want to vote Trump because it'll be hilarious. Honestly it probably won't make a difference though.
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Atomizer posted:I was actually thinking that this is exactly how the rest of the world should respond. I have nothing against the UK, but the situation should be dealt with harshly to communicate the gravity of the decision, and to discourage the rest of the EU members from precipitating a total dissolution. The other EU members will have a harder go of it, as most if not all have adopted the Euro. Reintroducing their old currency will be an expensive proposition. My guess, any other country looking to leave the EU will be looking at the UK's economy and gauge it from there. Asiina posted:I hope this helps people in the US realize their votes matter, since I still have people saying that they want to vote Trump because it'll be hilarious. At what point does ironic voting for Trump become unironic voting for Trump?
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PassTheRemote posted:At what point does ironic voting for Trump become unironic voting for Trump? Immediately. "Ironic" Trump supporters are aware of how terrible he would be, but him burning everything down is exactly what they want to happen.
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PassTheRemote posted:At what point does ironic voting for Trump become unironic voting for Trump? That's exactly the point. This poo poo isn't a game and actions have consequences on a global scale. I hope if nothing else this result helps people learn that.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:I feel like the problem is that if the rest of the world treats the UK like they probably deserve to be treated for this, the message won't reach the people that it should. It's people voting out of ignorance that made this happen, and if the rest of the world fucks them it's just going to reinforce its their prejudices rather than teach them to treat decisions like these with the gravity they deserve. It's exactly this, though: PassTheRemote posted:The other EU members will have a harder go of it, as most if not all have adopted the Euro. Reintroducing their old currency will be an expensive proposition. (and hopefully this too:) Asiina posted:I hope this helps people in the US realize their votes matter, since I still have people saying that they want to vote Trump because it'll be hilarious. Idiots in Britain are realising perhaps less than 12 hours after their vote that it was a bad idea, and everyone else in the world is seeing what we all knew would happen. The negative outcome of the Brexit vote will probably become even more obvious over time, and should dissuade the remaining members from following. This is especially why the EU needs to respond particularly harshly, to discourage ill-advised secession and to grind this into the thick loving skulls of the Brexit voters. I mean I'm not trying to sound bitter, especially as it doesn't even directly involve me, but it should have been apparent that weakening the EU and the West in the face of Putin's Soviet resurgence was a terrible idea in the long run, even ignoring the more direct economic consequences to the UK. The Cheshire Cat posted:Immediately. "Ironic" Trump supporters are aware of how terrible he would be, but him burning everything down is exactly what they want to happen. Obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNt0anp7WK8&t=8s
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Immediately. "Ironic" Trump supporters are aware of how terrible he would be, but him burning everything down is exactly what they want to happen. And looking at the current US political climate and two party system's choices I can kind of see why they think that.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:And looking at the current US political climate and two party system's choices I can kind of see why they think that. Yeah it's not as if I don't understand the impulse, but it's stupid to think that making things substantially worse in the short term is somehow going to make things better in the long term. It's clear that change needs to happen, but "burn it all down and start from scratch" will just end up handing more power to the powerful.
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention my favorite part of the Brexit voters: the idiots who voted [to leave] because they "didn't think their vote would count." Normally voter apathy causes citizens to not vote because they don't think their votes count. UK citizens apparently have their own logic and are surprised when their actions have consequences. Fake Edit: Also, Vote Bernie 2016! 
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There's literally a video above showing what you just said.
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So the referendum just needed a straight majority? 1.9% more people prefer leaving than staying, and this massive nation is going to undertake this massive action on something only a wee bit more than the odds of a coin toss? That's insane. In the US Congress, they're always fretting about the "super majority" because if you rely on just a normal majority, then you'll get all sorts of wacky and crazy things happening. In a scenario like this, you have about half of the country unhappy with the result. For comparison, the vote America had to declare independence from Britain had to be unanimous (out of the voting blocs of representatives that had been sent to the continental congress). Important decisions shouldn't be balanced on the edge of a knife.
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Echo Chamber posted:There's literally a video above showing what you just said. Exactly, that's to what I was referring. On this same subject: http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/24/12023212/brexit-explained-economy-politics-and-the-rest-of-this-mess Edit: And this too: http://www.theverge.com/2016/6/24/12022880/google-search-spike-brexit-why-leave-eu 
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SlothfulCobra posted:So the referendum just needed a straight majority? 1.9% more people prefer leaving than staying, and this massive nation is going to undertake this massive action on something only a wee bit more than the odds of a coin toss? That's insane. Yes, the whole thing was pretty poorly conceived. That said, referendums aren't strictly speaking legally binding - they're basically opinion polls where the government just super promises that they will follow through on the results. They could still choose to stay in the EU despite the referendum, although it would likely end several political careers if they did. They would have been in a better position politically if they had said they wouldn't take action without a supermajority before the vote, but to do so now would seem like they're disregarding the results, even if it would be the sensible thing to do with just w close margin.
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The Cheshire Cat posted:Yes, the whole thing was pretty poorly conceived. Like David Cameron's? 
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