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Just introduce the red turtle.
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Alain Post posted:MotoGP is actually fake racing that is ruined by Spainards If McLaren had the best car then F1 would be as well.
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Jun 21, 2016 20:59
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Put a limit on how much wake turbulence cars can generate
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Jun 21, 2016 21:12
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Diet Crack posted:Just introduce the red turtle. Sprinklers, the answer is always sprinklers.
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Jun 21, 2016 21:40
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Norns posted:Put a limit on how much wake turbulence cars can generate That's going to be impossible to monitor though since they'll just end up doing stupid poo poo where it only generates turbulent air under certain conditions and it'll just make the problem worse. The best and most feasible idea I've heard is Gordon Murray's where you limit how far an element can go up off the car to only an inch or two. I personally think the FIA should homologated a standard bodywork which the teams can then make X number of changes to per area but I know that will never god drat happen.
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Jun 21, 2016 21:51
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It's all just a loud of loving noise, all we can do is watch from season to season and every March hope that this is the season things get mixed up and interesting again. In the mean time, I'm just going to sit here and carry on with my newfound dislike for Damon "I'm a gigantic smelly oval office face" Hill. What a cock.
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Jun 21, 2016 22:24
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wicka posted:yes but they also don't have 3,000 computer settings on their bike that are entirely necessary given the current regulations and yet are also entirely impossible to memorize But the 3000 settings are not necessary. They have the various settings to give optimum performance during various situations, but they are far from necessary in order for the car to run. That said, I still think they should be allowed to pass information on the pit board. It'll be limited to what they can write (and drivers can read). And yeah, had it been any other driver, the Brits would be busy making fun of him instead 
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Jun 21, 2016 22:26
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Yo. It's 2016, we don't need loving smoke signals and pit boards to tell the drivers info. They already have radios
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Jun 21, 2016 22:28
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ImplicitAssembler posted:But the 3000 settings are not necessary. They have the various settings to give optimum performance during various situations, but they are far from necessary in order for the car to run. The 3000 settings are necessary because the team isn't allowed to adjust them remotely or by connected wire during the race. Just leave the radio ban and allow the team to gently caress around with the settings wirelessly.
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Jun 21, 2016 22:41
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You guys do realize that these cars aren't going explode just because there isn't a million sub-menu commands right?
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Jun 21, 2016 22:47
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1500quidporsche posted:You guys do realize that these cars aren't going explode just because there isn't a million sub-menu commands right? Right, but they will go slower. Who wants that?
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Jun 21, 2016 22:50
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Norns posted:Right, but they will go slower. Who wants that? no one. and again, the point is that the solution to this is simple: roll back the bad, pointless, dumb rule that caused this problem. the solution is NOT to add more rules on top of what we already have.
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Jun 21, 2016 22:53
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Norns posted:Right, but they will go slower. Who wants that? There was a time before fuel injection where you had this thing called a carburetor and while you could endlessly fiddle with it the consensus was to just leave it alone as it was probably going to run better if you didn't touch it since there you likely didn't have a real good idea what you were doing endlessly fiddling with various adjustment screws, and 95% of the time you were right to not touch the drat thing.
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1500quidporsche posted:There was a time before fuel injection where you had this thing called a carburetor and while you could endlessly fiddle with it the consensus was to just leave it alone as it was probably going to run better if you didn't touch it since there you likely didn't have a real good idea what you were doing endlessly fiddling with various adjustment screws, and 95% of the time you were right to not touch the drat thing. there was a time before cars when we rode horses
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Jun 21, 2016 22:55
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wicka posted:there was a time before cars when we rode horses And you literally didn't have to adjust anything to go fast.
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Jun 21, 2016 22:58
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Yeah the mgu is totally like a carburetor  Missing 160ish bhp for over 30 seconds of your lap due to a incorrect setting (that people on your team know how to fix) shouldn't happen.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:00
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You're not going to lose the full 160hp unless you really gently caress things up, which again wouldn't be possible if they locked the drivers out of the commands. If I was a team principal I'd make them run a generic default setting and its probably going to do more good than harm so long as we still have the radio ban.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:03
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1500quidporsche posted:And you literally didn't have to adjust anything to go fast. spurs
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1500quidporsche posted:You're not going to lose 160hp unless you really gently caress things up, which again wouldn't be possible if they locked the drivers out of the commands. If I was a team principal I'd make them run a generic default setting and its probably going to do more good than harm so long as we still have the radio ban. you would lose every race
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Jun 21, 2016 23:03
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wicka posted:you would lose every race I don't think you would.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:04
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1500quidporsche posted:I don't think you would. no i definitely would. we'd both be terrible team principals. but if you forced a driver, in this formula, to pick one engine setting for the race, you would lose regardless of the car. you would probably get plowed into on the start because you wouldn't have used the engine setting that allowed ERS to fully charge on the warm-up lap and you'd start down 160bhp on everyone else.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:05
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wicka posted:no i definitely would. we'd both be terrible team principals. but if you forced a driver, in this formula, to pick one engine setting for the race, you would lose regardless of the car. I'm saying they get the Fischer price steering wheel with "Attack" "Harvest Energy" "Normal" and "Economy" and you stop them from nitpicking the finer aspects of the MGU's operation. I acknowledge that these cars won't run under one single setting but I also don't think that giving these drivers so many things to adjust in a racing situation with no help is productive.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:08
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Or instead of dumbing the wheel down we act like this is the team sport. Let them use the race engineer they already have, and the radios they also already have?
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Jun 21, 2016 23:18
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I hope Lewis has a cry every race about it tbqh
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Jun 21, 2016 23:19
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Norns posted:Or instead of dumbing the wheel down we act like this is the team sport. Let them use the race engineer they already have, and the radios they also already have? While I 100% agree with you, look at how much loving poo poo we had to go through to get qualifying back to normal. I'd be shocked if the radio ban got lifted any time soon.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:30
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Well, the starts certainly got more interesting after they reduced the amount of controls, settings and feedback. More complexity doesn't not equal better. Before that, they always had the optimal settings at the start after their engineer told then what clutch settings, etc to use.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:36
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F1 2016: Simplify and Remove Buttons
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Jun 21, 2016 23:38
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Ron is already trying to kill one driver We don't need him to remove button too
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enri posted:It's all just a loud of loving noise, all we can do is watch from season to season and every March hope that this is the season things get mixed up and interesting again. In the mean time, I'm just going to sit here and carry on with my newfound dislike for Damon "I'm a gigantic smelly oval office face" Hill. I would like it noted that I hated Hill to the same degree that I hate Lewis now in the 90s, and got to witness one of the worst title defences in history as a reward for my unwavering loathing.
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:Remove Buttons 
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1500quidporsche posted:I'm saying they get the Fischer price steering wheel with "Attack" "Harvest Energy" "Normal" and "Economy" and you stop them from nitpicking the finer aspects of the MGU's operation. I acknowledge that these cars won't run under one single setting but I also don't think that giving these drivers so many things to adjust in a racing situation with no help is productive. If you honestly think anyone involved in the construction, maintenance, management, or operation of a race car would rather give up 0.2s just so they don't have to understand how their car works on the limit, let alone sit down and study, then you don't know race cars very well. Norns posted:Put a limit on how much wake turbulence cars can generate The only way to really enforce this would be to do a full car CFD and then measure how much turbulent flow it generates. It's really the only "clean space" way to do it. Unfortunately, that is next to impossible because There is no mathematical model for generating accurate turbulent flow, the best we can do is guess and hope that it's right It's such a big deal, that finding an accurate model is one of the million dollar Millennium Prizes for math. MustardFacial fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Jun 22, 2016 |
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Well, the starts certainly got more interesting after they reduced the amount of controls, settings and feedback. More complexity doesn't not equal better. but that change increased complexity.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:46
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Gordon Murray designed the BT52 with almost no ability to adjust the set up because he realized that it was just going to be about chasing horse power instead of minor details.
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If we were in the same formula as 1983, that would be relevant.
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Norns posted:If we were in the same formula as 1983, that would be relevant.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:50
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This is the biggest non issue. Best part of the broadcast was the commentators getting mad at swearing.
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Jun 21, 2016 23:54
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I'm interested to know what you felt about removing traction control at the time, wicka.
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I can dream guys
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1500quidporsche posted:I can dream guys - Lewis Hamilton
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wicka posted:but that change increased complexity. No. It increased the difficulty. Procedure got simpler, but the driver had to do the work.
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