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Hoops posted:There's just about no doubt in my mind that Scotland will be independent now in the next few years. Jesus Christ, this is unbelievable. I went to bed last night absolutely fully confident remain would win, I wasn't ready for this. hope was a mistake
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  Holy poo poo. EDIT: Whoever is making the new Indy thread. Include this in it for us.  Extreme0 fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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Niric posted:If i vote independence t'll be because the alternative became appreciably worse. Isn't this generally how all decisions are made? You've got 2 options, if one is worse, the other is better. This 'alternative' was in the works 2 years ago and is the reason a lot of us voted yes. Lets not forget that better together's entire campaign was underpinned by the concept of uncertainty. Their claim (albeit without outright stating it) was that the future was more uncertain for Scotland as separate entity to the UK than it was as part of it. This was in spite of clear signs of growing xenophobia in the mass media, scapegoating of immigration as the cause of all our woes, a Tory government doing all it could to cater to UKIP voters to remain in power and the fact that even when almost unified as a single voting entity, we (Scotland) couldn't influence the governing direction of the country (reflected once again by the EU results). All of the pieces were there to indicate our current situation would happen and this is why i voted for independence, because as you say, the alternative, is indeed worse. It's lovely to be in this situation, but i hope that it's come as a bit of a wakeup call for people to thoroughly examine just what remaining in the UK will mean for Scotland, rather than what it might mean for us if we leave. Kin fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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Oh god this is fantastic Also geez daily record, at some point you should probably start listing the page numbers that don't cover the brexit fallout What's on p20, that's what I want to know
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Extreme0 posted:It will be interesting what the stances are for labour and Lib Dems are now after this. Alastair Campbell is pretty strongly hinting that he'd be pro-independence.
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Ruth Davidson is on a quest to find the biggest pen in the world to slam down as hard as she can.Baron Corbyn posted:Alastair Campbell is pretty strongly hinting that he'd be pro-independence. Might want to add Kezia Dugdale as well considering she preety much openly stated that she would support another Indyref if Scotland was voted out of the EU a couple of months ago.
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Niric posted:This does a pretty good job of articulating how I feel, even if I'm still not entirely sold on independence yet. I certainly think another indyref is justified; it's hard to think of a clearer (plausible) case of a material change in circumstance. What on earth are you talking about. We voted Yes because we realised that Westminsters plans for Scotland and the UK were directly incompatible with our own. This has been proven beyond any doubt whatsoever. You were lied to.
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Extreme0 posted:Ruth Davidson is on a quest to find the biggest pen in the world to slam down as hard as she can. Dugdale stated last night that Labour would not support another indyref.
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keep punching joe posted:Dugdale stated last night that Labour would not support another indyref.  Holy poo poo Labour. It's like they want to lose every election from now on.
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I just want to point out that i predicted literally everything that came to pass some people told me i was ignorant, that i was blind, or short sighted that scotland wasn't all that different from england, and that an eu referendum would go either way i told you I TOLD YOU just mind that fan it cam tae lang term craic, ah kent mah shite
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Coohoolin posted:Drunk Pissflaps posted:Depression It's good to see Scotpol back to it's usual self. I actually missed it compared to what's been happening recently.
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At least this thread will become relevant again. Do you believe that Scotland should remain in the EU, or leave and become a right wing dystopian hellhole torn from the pages of 2000AD?
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Coohoolin posted:I just want to point out Thank you, my sudden burst of enthusiasm for independence has now been dampened and I can now just wallow in the fact that regardless of what happens everything will just be poo poo.
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forkboy84 posted:So you think there's a good chance that at least 340,000 of those who voted for independence in 2014 voted for Leaving the EU this time?
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LemonDrizzle posted:The SNP vote split 66:34 remain:leave according to Ashcroft's polls, so yes, I'd say there's a large proportion of Yes voters who also voted Leave. You're slow. I already conceded Pissflaps point. Coohoolin posted:I just want to point out For fucksake Coohoolin. You can't help yourself, can you? Scotland isn't all that different from England. We speak the same language, we share 300+ years of history & then a whole bunch more where our history intertwines, we share the largely the same culture, the same politics even. Yes, even on the EU, more English people voted to remain in the EU than Scottish people voted for independence in 2014. Acting like a smug oval office yelling I told you so really isn't the way to win hearts & minds. Keep that pish to the comments sections of the Wings website eh? Your Scottish exceptionalism is loving stupid and massively counter-productive. Maybe keep it to yourself in the future. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 10:27 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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forkboy84 posted:You're slow. I already conceded Pissflaps point.
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Coohoolin posted:I just want to point out
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^^^ I have the distinct impression that he's drunk.LemonDrizzle posted:The SNP vote split 66:34 remain:leave according to Ashcroft's polls, so yes, I'd say there's a large proportion of Yes voters who also voted Leave. Also Scotland as a whole split 62:38, so even if every No voter also voted Leave around 15% of Yes voters would have to have done the same.
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Jedit posted:Also Scotland as a whole split 62:38, so even if every No voter also voted Leave around 15% of Yes voters would have to have done the same. Unless my statistics is wrong doesn't that suggest that EU membership is sort of a non-issue for determining yes/no indy vote?
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Coohoolin posted:I just want to point out And just as I was beginning to feel sympathy and maybe even consider Yes, the true face of the movement rears its ugly, sneering, shitehawk head.
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Sion posted:And just as I was beginning to feel sympathy and maybe even consider Yes, the true face of the movement rears its ugly, sneering, shitehawk head. Ah yes, the true face of Yes is a Swiss guy. Don't be silly Sion  .Though I am now the voice of a certain section of indy with some new social media powers mwahahaha.
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Acaila posted:Ah yes, the true face of Yes is a Swiss guy. Don't be silly Sion Sorry. Tired and emotional following belgian beer.
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Sion posted:Sorry. Tired and emotional following belgian beer. That's ok pet . Hope you feel better soon!
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Jedit posted:^^^ I have the distinct impression that he's drunk. He probably needs a breathalyser installed on his phone/computer then.
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^^^ If he cleaned all the phonetic Scots words from his custom dictionary his spell checker would handle most of it.OwlFancier posted:Unless my statistics is wrong doesn't that suggest that EU membership is sort of a non-issue for determining yes/no indy vote? No. The 15% is an absolute floor, the smallest proportion of the electorate that could possibly have voted Yes|Leave. The absolute ceiling is more complicated, but deducting 65% of the people who voted SNP in May from the number of Yes voters is close enough. It'll be less than that number as that presumes there are no Scots who voted !SNP|Remain, but we're talking theoretical possibilities, not actual results.
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More usefully, I wonder how long before we see opinion polls on independence coming out. Surely the SNP would have put a poll in the field immediately?
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Coohoolin posted:I just want to point out quote:just mind that fan it cam tae lang term craic, ah kent mah shite quote:Me looking at your posts
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So I might have mentioned my crazy uncle who shouts abuse at the telly every time Sturgeon appears on it. His son, wholehearted No all the way through 2014, has just come out for Yes in a second referendum. Amazing what living and working in another EU country will do for your perspective.
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^^^ Anecdotally I know a few No voters who have changed their mind now in the last 2 years. Mostly because all of the promises were never followed up on and also we are leaving the EU now anyway... Some of the SNP leave voters could of either a: wanted a new Indy referendum or b: just want out of Europe as much as they did the UK (I know a few of these people).
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big willie is on the case http://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-25/scottish-lib-dems-back-sturgeon-in-eu-negotiations/ what do scottish labour do?
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www posted:big willie is on the case Stick to tough Unionism going by the email I got from Kezia.
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Sorry, I was actually quite drunk when I posted that, and I that doesn't actually reflect what I think or feel. Edit: This is fantastic though.
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Just found out my sister voted out, hoping it would lead to a second indy vote. I wanted to give her poo poo about it, but she's going to the US on holiday soon and hasn't changed any currency yet, so I guess karma beat me to it.
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Not Operator posted:Just found out my sister voted out, hoping it would lead to a second indy vote. urggrghghghg
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At my boyfriend's today and he mentioned one of his bosses at work voted Leave. They were asked why and answered completely seriously "Because I'm not a secret German". Edit : Survation are polling on desire for indyref2 and voting intention. Acaila fucked around with this message at 18:57 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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Not Operator posted:Just found out my sister voted out, hoping it would lead to a second indy vote. Does she live in Scotland? Or does she see herself as some kind of cunning sleeper agent in england or what the hell is her deal Angepain fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Jun 25, 2016 |
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Dundee. Never voted until the indyref. Suddenly political. Oddly enough, she hasn't mentioned her amazing strategy on facebook yet. I think she might be feeling regret or shame or something.
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