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Schubalts posted:Tweaked down after months of ghosting guilds as they attempted the raid and making the raid boss stronger and changing its mechanics after any guild managed to beat it. I was just looking for info on this, but I couldn't find anything. Did this actually happen or is it just an ugly rumor? My heart tells me it's true, but I my brain tells me to be skeptical.
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Langosta Whiteman posted:I was just looking for info on this, but I couldn't find anything. Did this actually happen or is it just an ugly rumor? My heart tells me it's true, but I my brain tells me to be skeptical. It's true. The post-kill tweaks are why a big chunk of the raiding population quit outright.
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Mr. Neutron posted:And if you criticized any of this poo poo and said it was insane in the year of our Lord and Saviour 2013, you'd have been shouted down by many a goon in the beta threads This is the important thing to note if you're wondering why the tone of the thread is like this: the only reason this thread is so negative is because the game was so bad it drove away even the most hardcore of defenders. They built a game around raiding, buffed their special snowflake raid so no one could beat it a la absolute virtue, and then just like in that case when people still managed to be ~hardcore~ enough to beat it buffed it even more, then when they finally lowered the difficulty to a reasonable level called the people grateful for it babies with that Winner! gif posted earlier. Also, I don't think it was mentioned yet, but in this game about ~hardcore~ raiding there was a bug where guild leaders lost their attunement progress and the dev response was "we can't do anything, make a new character and restart the the weeks-long attunement process I guess" Basically this game is a case study about whether people really wanted old school hardcore raiding and while people thought they did as the threads back then read, the answer turned out to be a resounding no.
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but, also, yes, the awful sense of humor, obnoxious presentation and ugly art style did nothing to help any of the problems mentioned
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Schubalts posted:Tweaked down after months of ghosting guilds as they attempted the raid and making the raid boss stronger and changing its mechanics after any guild managed to beat it. What is ghosting in this context?
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Jun 24, 2016 18:15
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LordSaturn posted:What is ghosting in this context? Entire guilds/raid groups that quit all at once.
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LordSaturn posted:What is ghosting in this context? GMs set to invisible mode to watch the people raiding.
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Wrist Watch posted:Also, I don't think it was mentioned yet, but in this game about ~hardcore~ raiding there was a bug where guild leaders lost their attunement progress and the dev response was "we can't do anything, make a new character and restart the the weeks-long attunement process I guess" hey now, they did give compensation a 10% exp boost
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Jun 24, 2016 20:08
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sword_man.gif posted:hey now, they did give compensation lol
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The Chairman posted:Entire guilds/raid groups that quit all at once. Pesterchum posted:GMs set to invisible mode to watch the people raiding. Hence the problem. In context I suspect it's the second one. Good lord, Carbine. 
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wow does the invisible gm thing too but it's to watch world first guilds for exploits in encounters/hotfix the buggy-rear end encounters they don't put on the ptr because "it would ruin the surprise"
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sword_man.gif posted:hey now, they did give compensation lmao I had completely forgotten about that, what an incredible non-solution
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Jun 24, 2016 22:59
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this game, is bad
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sword_man.gif posted:blizzard does similar things to bad companies except they do those things good and people like it noted
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The Chairman posted:It's true. The post-kill tweaks are why a big chunk of the raiding population quit outright. That's one of the things that keeps drawing me back to gawk at this trainwreck. They explicitly made a game aimed at ultra-hardcore grognards, then punished them for doing the raid content. What did they think would happen? Just how arrogant were the guys making these calls?
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Mizuti posted:That's one of the things that keeps drawing me back to gawk at this trainwreck. They explicitly made a game aimed at ultra-hardcore grognards, then punished them for doing the raid content. What did they think would happen? Just how arrogant were the guys making these calls? The dev that was in charge of raid balance was a complete chucklefuck.
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I spent the last half hour using google to try to find this since apparently archive search doesn't work. Here's timetravel, an employee of carbine studios at the time, responding to a guy asking how it feels to finally have a single group complete a raid he designed. https://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/2ts9rz/40m_world_first_avatus_enigma/co1zwrs
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Wrist Watch posted:I spent the last half hour using google to try to find this since apparently archive search doesn't work. Here's timetravel, an employee of carbine studios at the time, responding to a guy asking how it feels to finally have a single group complete a raid he designed. I responded to that with the soup kitchen comment.
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Wrist Watch posted:I spent the last half hour using google to try to find this since apparently archive search doesn't work. Here's timetravel, an employee of carbine studios at the time, responding to a guy asking how it feels to finally have a single group complete a raid he designed. My favorite part about this is even the subreddit moderators are impossibly smug. They literally set AutoMod to delete any comments that say "dead game", and smugly asks anyone who says the word "banned" if they want to be banned.
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Mizuti posted:That's one of the things that keeps drawing me back to gawk at this trainwreck. They explicitly made a game aimed at ultra-hardcore grognards, then punished them for doing the raid content. What did they think would happen? Just how arrogant were the guys making these calls? I think the ways raid guild would beat these bosses were considered bugs or exploits because they used unintended strategies to take down the bosses more easily than intended. Of course they resorted to this because the bosses were balanced to be literally unbeatable. Because the 40 man raid wasn't actually finished so that's how they gated it off.
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Wrist Watch posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/WildStar/comments/26lyr9/so_if_the_devs_cannot_beat_the_raids_how_can_they/ what a lovely metaphor
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So...the players should continue to shove criticism down Carbine's throats because if they gently caress up, we could die in a explosive crash?
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MoreLikeTen posted:what a lovely metaphor Umm you mean A+ analogy!
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It's a car analogy the
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Schubalts posted:So...the players should continue to shove criticism down Carbine's throats because if they gently caress up, we could die in a explosive crash? I don't think there's any "if" about carbine loving up.
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I leveled a warrior lizard woman up to 50, and got out after my free month was up. I did not look back. Upon looking back today, it is clear I made the right decision.
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I was run out of the PGS closed beta thread because I had access to the internal build and was making veiled hints at how hosed the parts of the game people couldn't see yet were. I was called a troll. GG
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Are we at the part of the MMO timeline where goons start coming out saying they were the lone voice of reason saying the game sucked but no one would listen?
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I think wildstar shot through the regular timeline in less than a year and we've just been repeating things now until it closes.
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The Cassandras of the original WildStar thread still turn up now and then to mock us all. A month after launch, when the official response to our broken reservation for Space Jam was "we can't just change your guild name, you'll have to remake your guild" it was clear it was never going to get better.
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The thread that keeps on giving.
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Rasmussen posted:The thread that keeps on giving. Nah. That was the archage thread once upon a time
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noELrunes posted:Nah. That was the archage thread once upon a time I almost, almost wish I played that but I think I dodged a bullet.
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The Moon Monster posted:I think the ways raid guild would beat these bosses were considered bugs or exploits because they used unintended strategies to take down the bosses more easily than intended. Of course they resorted to this because the bosses were balanced to be literally unbeatable. Because the 40 man raid wasn't actually finished so that's how they gated it off. Yes, exactly. Watching world firsts to monitor exploits and unintended behavior is normal. Some of that is inevitable in an MMO, and that stuff needs to be patched up. But then Carbine didn't offer a way for the content to be completed legitimately. The very same content they advertised as the selling feature of the game. 
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So many goon MMO legacies. ArcheAge had fishing pact, Secret World had t-shirts, WildStar had shun the unbeliever.
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What happened with TSW and t-shirts? I missed that one.
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Anoia posted:So many goon MMO legacies. ArcheAge had fishing pact, Secret World had t-shirts, WildStar had shun the unbeliever. I had great fun pointing out all the glaring retarded bullshit about the game and getting stupid goons riled up enough to actually follow me across the forums crying and bitching Seriously this thing has been a hilarious ride. Keep the trash fire burning Carbine!
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Anoia posted:So many goon MMO legacies. ArcheAge had fishing pact, Secret World had t-shirts, WildStar had shun the unbeliever. fishing pact wasn't the most hilarious part about archage.
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CoffeeBooze posted:What happened with TSW and t-shirts? I missed that one. I don't know the full details about that one, I just know some goon offered to print up faction shirts and apparently never delivered and now he's a mod for a discord and people are mad about it? MMO HMO drama is kinda like long standing family tension where everyone acts like you should intrinsically know why uncle bob should never be seated by uncle jim at thanksgiving, it's hard to keep up at times.
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