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A lovely Reporter posted:Beat up all Nazis imo. Can we put this in the platform
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So Hillary is for $15 per hour wage now? I'm loving retarded someone please link where she says this.
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Jun 27, 2016 18:55
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gradenko_2000 posted:Can we put this in the platform Seems to already be in it
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Jun 27, 2016 18:55
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Teflon Don posted:So Hillary is for $15 per hour wage now? I'm loving retarded someone please link where she says this. I liked all the "keeping Wall Street on a short leash" talk but couldn't help feeling a little skeptical with Goldman Sachs underwriting the campaign
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Jun 27, 2016 18:57
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WampaLord posted:I would hope a downticket candidate would be able to articulate their own issues instead of pointing to the platform and going "Yea, I support all of that." Ask a random person what their state rep candidate stands for, or even their congressional candidates. You'll mostly get blank stares. It's just a general "this is basically what the party stands for" and so even though it's essentially meaningless in terms of what actual candidates might support, it's still subject to fuckery like the 2012 stuff about Israel and god that just had to make it in so that the party could pretend it's cool with all that. Rollofthedice posted:Have national minimum wage increases in america ever been proposed to be tied/indexed to inflation? Have any attempts to tie minimum wage increases to inflation ever gotten anywhere? Well, the new overtime rule kinda got indexed. To average wage growth anyway. Not minimum wage though, and not to inflation, that I know of. I mean, else it would have been automatically growing at some point, which it obviously hasn't.
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Jun 27, 2016 18:57
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Boon posted:Im a big fan of anti-TPP being left out. 
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Jun 27, 2016 18:57
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Teflon Don posted:So Hillary is for $15 per hour wage now? I'm loving retarded someone please link where she says this. She said she supports a national floor of $12 per hour and $15 per hour under certain conditions: quote:Clinton said she would sign a $15 minimum wage bill put forth by Democrats if it had certain stipulations in it. The new wage floor would have to be phased in gradually and the effects of the hike would have to be evaluated in areas with lower costs of living.
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Jun 27, 2016 18:58
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Teflon Don posted:So Hillary is for $15 per hour wage now? I'm loving retarded someone please link where she says this. This is getting uncomfortably close to "say the magic words" territory.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:00
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I don't post about this a lot cause it seems against the consensus here, but I am too. I know that it's bad for the specific people who lose jobs to TPP-enabled competition, but I'm very pro-free-trade and I think we should work harder on providing higher-quality domestic jobs and adult training initiatives TPP is only partly about free trade. Most of it is establishing US-style IP protections and laws in the rest of the world. They want to standardize business to the way the U.S. does business to make it easier to trade and to make it so China has to adopt U.S. style regulations or get frozen out. People who don't like U.S. style patent and IP law (generally longer patents than the rest of the world, especially for medical devices and pharmaceuticals) don't like getting the rest of the world on that standard because it would "entrench" U.S. style laws as the norm. Some people are just raging against it because it is a trade bill, but it is mostly about IP.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:02
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Deteriorata posted:This is getting uncomfortably close to "say the magic words" territory. Radical Islamic Minimum Wage
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Jun 27, 2016 19:02
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Panty Saluter posted:I liked all the "keeping Wall Street on a short leash" talk but couldn't help feeling a little skeptical with Goldman Sachs underwriting the campaign Lol you must be really bad at math if you think GS underwrites the Clinton campaign.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:04
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Trabisnikof posted:Lol you must be really bad at math if you think GS underwrites the Clinton campaign. All I know is they and many other bankers contributed heavily, so v  v
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Jun 27, 2016 19:05
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Necc0 posted:Obviously they weren't going to get everything they wanted so anything they'd failed to get they'd criticize. They're now criticizing things they didn't get. Ez-Pz Sanders got higher min wage, EITC to adults with no children, breaking up the banks, and no privatized prisons so far https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/27/heres-what-bernie-sanders-has-won-in-the-democratic-platform-so-far/
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Jun 27, 2016 19:05
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Joementum posted:No President is going to come close to being as awesome as Calvin Coolidge as far as pets are concerned: Uh you know that Theodore had a small bear in there right? Also a hyena, barn owl, and a snake.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:08
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Panty Saluter posted:All I know is they and many other bankers contributed heavily, so v Shageletic posted:Sanders got higher min wage, EITC to adults with no children, breaking up the banks, and no privatized prisons so far You won't see them concentrate on what they won, though
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Jun 27, 2016 19:08
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Arrgytehpirate posted:I've definitely shot gophers in my backyard with a .22 and I'm in city limits. I guess it depends on where you are. Me and my dad sat outside drat near all day and got three of the sons of bitches I could probably get away with a .22, but I haven't got one at my house up here. And even if I did, I'd probably still just let animal control deal with it.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:08
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Necc0 posted:So I'm assuming you looked at their contributions to the Republican candidates as well, right? No, but I imagine there were a few. Let me guess: the contributions can be written off
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Jun 27, 2016 19:11
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Panty Saluter posted:No, but I imagine there were a few. Let me guess: the contributions can be written off Political contributions can't be written off. (Unless you mean metaphorically)
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Jun 27, 2016 19:12
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Political contributions can't be wrriten off. No I meant literally. Probably doesn't hurt to hedge your bets politically though.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:12
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Speaking of the TPP, Hillary in her speech today again came out against it. Also mentioned having a Trade Prosecutor (which from what I read she also talked about in 2008) http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/06/27/1542938/-Transcript-of-remarks-of-Hillary-Clinton-and-Elizabeth-Warren-in-Cincinnati-OH quote:Because when companies take taxpayer dollars with one hand and give out pink slips with the other, and ship hundreds of jobs overseas, we’re going to make them pay back those tax benefits. And we’re going to take that money and reinvest it in workers and communities. And we’re going to slap an ‘exit tax’ on companies that move their headquarters overseas to avoid paying their fair share of taxes. And we will defend American jobs and American workers by saying ‘no’ to bad trade deals, like the Trans-Pacific Partnership, and unfair trade practices, like when China dumps cheap steel in our markets or uses weak ‘rules of origin’ to undercut our car makers. I’m going to appoint a trade prosecutor who will report to the President, so we are going to end the abuse of our market, our workers, our people.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:14
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WampaLord posted:Yes, alienating women even more, THIS is truly the electoral strategy that will lead to a Trump victory. There's a pretty good article in the New Yorker about Trump being the final nail in the Republican party's efforts with women http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/06/27/hillary-clinton-and-the-history-of-women-in-american-politics EDIT: ^^^ I think she's been against it for a few months already...
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Jun 27, 2016 19:18
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Shageletic posted:There's a pretty good article in the New Yorker about Trump being the final nail in the Republican party's efforts with women Yea just emphasizing she continues to do so.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:21
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Awesome. The ads with him talking about how the "woman must be punished" are going to be brutal on him once they start running. Here's hoping he'll continue to run his mouth on it.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:22
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Panty Saluter posted:No I meant literally. Probably doesn't hurt to hedge your bets politically though. Correct. It's pretty clear which candidate(s) the industry prefers when you look at the contributions as a whole.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:22
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theblackw0lf posted:Speaking of the TPP, Hillary in her speech today again came out against it. Also mentioned having a Trade Prosecutor (which from what I read she also talked about in 2008) Isn't that the Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade? Hillary is unfortunately descending into gibberish on this trade stuff. Probably because nearly all discussion of trade is gibberish, though.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:23
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Shageletic posted:Sanders got higher min wage, EITC to adults with no children, breaking up the banks, and no privatized prisons so far Hey that's some outsized influence and great things all things considered. Too bad the loudest Bernie people will refuse to acknowledge any victories at all
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Jun 27, 2016 19:27
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Deteriorata posted:Isn't that the Undersecretary of Commerce for International Trade? Eh, your average American doesn't even know there IS an Undersecretary assigned to international trade. And so long as she's signaling "TPP BAD" it doesn't matter what she says, since no one actually knows what the TPP is anyways. I've had more than one person tell me that the TPP is bad because we shouldn't have free trade with China.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:37
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Litany Unheard posted:Eh, your average American doesn't even know there IS an Undersecretary assigned to international trade. And so long as she's signaling "TPP BAD" it doesn't matter what she says, since no one actually knows what the TPP is anyways. I've had more than one person tell me that the TPP is bad because we shouldn't have free trade with China. TPP is 70% good, 30% bad.
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Jun 27, 2016 19:45
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:TPP is only partly about free trade. theblackw0lf posted:Speaking of the TPP, Hillary in her speech today again came out against it. Also mentioned having a Trade Prosecutor (which from what I read she also talked about in 2008)
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Jun 27, 2016 19:49
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I don't see how "jobs to China" is a plausible critique of TPP
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Jun 27, 2016 19:53
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In other good news for women, SCOTUS upheld that a domestic violence conviction counts as a misdemeanor sufficient to restrict access to guns. http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/voisine-v-united-states/
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Jun 27, 2016 19:53
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there wolf posted:In other good news for women, SCOTUS upheld that a domestic violence conviction counts as a misdemeanor sufficient to restrict access to guns. Makes sense to me. If you are OK battering someone you "love" you probably don't need access to firearms. also ofc Thomas dissented
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Jun 27, 2016 19:56
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I'm at work and can't really follow much closely, has Trump responded to the bitchslap of Texas abortion laws?
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Jun 27, 2016 19:57
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The only real argument for TPP is geopolitical against China. Obama/Hillary should create a Pacific NATO if they want that. That would be much more effectual than giant handouts to Disney and pharma corporations
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Jun 27, 2016 20:02
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icantfindaname posted:The only real argument for TPP is geopolitical against China. Obama/Hillary should create a Pacific NATO if they want that. That would be much more effectual than giant handouts to Disney and pharma corporations The TPP will also likely result in quality-of-life improvements for many folks in the SEA countries.
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Jun 27, 2016 20:07
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Amergin posted:The TPP will also likely result in quality-of-life improvements for many folks in the SEA countries. How so? Improved trade/jobs?
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Jun 27, 2016 20:08
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icantfindaname posted:The only real argument for TPP is geopolitical against China. Obama/Hillary should create a Pacific NATO if they want that. That would be much more effectual than giant handouts to Disney and pharma corporations Yes... this seems like a very informed opinion indeed. E: Here is the last analysis that I'm aware of, conducted by the International Trade Commission https://www.usitc.gov/publications/332/pub4607.pdf Boon fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Jun 27, 2016 20:18
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Artificer posted:How so? Improved trade/jobs? For the most part, yes. Essentially we're offering trade and financial incentives in return for following the standards of the agreement. For one thing, standardizing trade agreements in the region could reduce high tariffs in these countries. The TPP also includes restrictions requiring the partnering countries to meet standards for labor and environmental regulations. In a way it's colonialism by trade, but forcing these countries to stiffen labor and environmental protocols will likely attract new investors while loosening the grips of local and/or state-owned behemoths. Fewer barriers to entry and more trade partners wanting cheaper goods will hopefully spur competition in these countries, resulting in more variety and cheaper goods on the east side of the Pacific while improving labor conditions and opportunity on the west side. If you want to be really optimistic, the TPP standards could even chip away at sex trafficking with these labor standards and enforcement against human rights violations. EDIT: To really oversimplify this aspect of the TPP debate, it will likely be really bad for a handful of Americans/westerners (similar to NAFTA and China joining the WTO being a death knell for many "factory towns"), while being a small net positive for Americans/westerners as a whole (via cheaper goods) and a net positive for the developing trading partners. Amergin fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jun 27, 2016 |
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Jun 27, 2016 20:21
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Epic High Five posted:I'm at work and can't really follow much closely, has Trump responded to the bitchslap of Texas abortion laws? https://mobile.twitter.com/NoahCRothman/status/747465257019379712?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
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there wolf posted:In other good news for women, SCOTUS upheld that a domestic violence conviction counts as a misdemeanor sufficient to restrict access to guns. This is fantastic news! Man I can not convey how happy this makes me.
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