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| Remain - Keep Britane Strong! |
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328 | 15.40% |
| Leave - Take Are Sovreignity Back! |
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115 | 5.40% |
| Remain - But only because Brexit are crazy |
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506 | 23.76% |
| Leave - But only because the EU is terrible |
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157 | 7.37% |
| Spoiled Ballot - This whole thing is an awful idea |
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61 | 2.86% |
| I'm not going to vote |
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19 | 0.89% |
| I'm not allowed to vote |
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411 | 19.30% |
| Pissflaps |
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533 | 25.02% |
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Gort posted:So what country are you guys going to pretend to be from next time you're on holiday? having an accent helps. southerners all think i'm welsh for some reason Octolady posted:Would anyone be able to give me a couple of instances where Corbyn has campaigned against racism and antisemitism in the past? I have a friend accusing him of antisemitic behaviour on Facebook with the whole ISIS thing which I do think is misinterpreted, but to be honest from what I can see from the Livingstone scandal that if it's not damning, it's at least discouraging. I don't really know enough about Livingstone to make a judgement. its a bit old but wihle cameron was in south africa on a trip paid for by a pro-apartheid organisation 
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Jun 30, 2016 19:42
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I just exchanged my pounds for a trip to Europe and with the fees it's 1:1 pounds to euros. Jesus Christ.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:45
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I;ve been having to explain to people all day that no, I am not attached to Corbyn personally as leader, just that I want the Labour party to have a left-wing message and not to be held hostage by Blairite shitheads. I admit Corbyn has faults - he is not great at PR or handling the media, and doesn't think about the optics of what he says before he says it. But it doesn't matter how good you are at PR when the PLP and the media are determined to smear you by any means necessary, up to an including just making stuff up. I'm just exhausted at having to explain this to everyone, that no, he isn't anti-semitic, look at the actual quote etc.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:45
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Jose posted:having an accent helps. southerners all think i'm welsh for some reason Back then all police were monopeds, it's good of Corbyn to prop them up
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Jun 30, 2016 19:49
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Has anyone said Brexshit yet?
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Jun 30, 2016 19:50
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Convexed posted:In ALAB fashion, I'm being hosed over for trying to get out of my rental contract in London 2 months early. Mostly bullshit fees, but *read your drat contract before you sign it* IIRC they should not be charging you for deposit protection. I'd get CAB involved if you can. Some of these may not be enforceable
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Jun 30, 2016 19:51
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nopantsjack posted:I just exchanged my pounds for a trip to Europe and with the fees it's 1:1 pounds to euros. Jesus Christ.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:52
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Octolady posted:Would anyone be able to give me a couple of instances where Corbyn has campaigned against racism and antisemitism in the past? I have a friend accusing him of antisemitic behaviour on Facebook with the whole ISIS thing which I do think is misinterpreted, but to be honest from what I can see from the Livingstone scandal that if it's not damning, it's at least discouraging. I don't really know enough about Livingstone to make a judgement. I know this is a quick and dirty copy/paste but from his own website; JC Website posted:There are various different groupings in parliament and those I am very involved with include the Socialist Campaign Group, PCS (Public Commercial Services), RMT (Rail, Maritime Transport Workers Union), Fire Brigades Union (FBU), National Union of Journalists (NUJ), Justice Unions, Family Court Union, Trade Union Group, the Performers Alliance, and last but of course not least, Defend Council Housing. I am a member of the Labour Representation Committee and supported the 2007 John4Leader campaign.  ;Wikipedia (yes I know) posted:In 2013, Corbyn was awarded the Gandhi International Peace Award for his "consistent efforts over a 30-year parliamentary career to uphold the Gandhian values of social justice and non‐violence."[239][240] In the same year, he was honoured by the Grassroot Diplomat Initiative for his "ongoing support for a number of non-government organisations and civil causes".[241] Corbyn has won the Parliamentary "Beard of the Year Award" a record six times, as well as being named as the Beard Liberation Front's Beard of the Year, having previously described his beard as "a form of dissent" against New Labour. E: Tidied up. Forgot the Anti-Fascist bit but that was already mentioned. Laradus fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jun 30, 2016 |
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Jun 30, 2016 19:54
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MikeCrotch posted:I;ve been having to explain to people all day that no, I am not attached to Corbyn personally as leader, just that I want the Labour party to have a left-wing message and not to be held hostage by Blairite shitheads. I admit Corbyn has faults - he is not great at PR or handling the media, and doesn't think about the optics of what he says before he says it. It also doesn't matter how good you are at PR and electability if the end result of winning isn't going to actually address inequality anyway. And the right wing press can't be appeased, they are never going to say "well we've privatised the NHS, just let them go on the disabled getting free vouchers to use it", I honestly have no idea what the PLPs long term plan is. My favourite part of the Cameron Tragedy is that he thought he was anything without his pet papers. The one time he fought a campaign without them he lost.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:58
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Palpek posted:When it's all over pound, euro and dollar will be 1:1:1 so that we can then easily all convert to Trump ducats. I mean at this point, considering fees and the nature of American sales tax, the usd is pretty much already 1:1 w/ euro prices.
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Jun 30, 2016 19:58
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Gorn Myson posted:Best thing to do with people with an anti-Polish perspective is to ask them what they think about the Polish contribution to the Battle of Britain. Always confuses the poo poo out of them. Some of them probably think Hitler was a Nice Boy with some Good Ideas at this point and would rather the whole Battle of Britain thing hadn't happened.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:00
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At least it's an ethos, dude.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:06
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Vitamin P posted:My favourite part of the Cameron Tragedy is that he thought he was anything without his pet papers. The one time he fought a campaign without them he lost. Turns out he was the pet all along.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:07
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hahahaha how in the gently caress is that little melty face gently caress gove only 48
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Jun 30, 2016 20:08
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Wakko posted:Is it incredible to anybody else about how people in the UK are still racist against the Polish? Is it just a well understood thing there? As an american, I keep seeing articles about polish hate crimes and envisioning Malory Archer.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:09
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nopantsjack posted:I just exchanged my pounds for a trip to Europe and with the fees it's 1:1 pounds to euros. Jesus Christ. It's at 1.19 right now, what kind of place charges 20% on fees?!
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Jun 30, 2016 20:10
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good news though it is almost july and you can all put this wretched month behind you because it can't possibly get any worse than it already is ha hahahha hahahhahahahhhhhhhhh
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Jun 30, 2016 20:10
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e: nvm, parody account
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Jun 30, 2016 20:12
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Chair In A Basket posted:good news though it is almost july and you can all put this wretched month behind you because it can't possibly get any worse than it already is yup things are looking up! LemonDrizzle posted:holy loving poo poo ruh roh
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Jun 30, 2016 20:13
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LemonDrizzle posted:holy loving poo poo christ
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Jun 30, 2016 20:14
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Never mind, it's from a parody account. The poster's real but the "everybody who was born here" isn't.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:14
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Edit: NM. A parody thank Christ. Although the fact that it was so believable as coming from May doesn't reassure me.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:16
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Chair In A Basket posted:good news though it is almost july and you can all put this wretched month behind you because it can't possibly get any worse than it already is July will be the month where this terrible loving year starts to turn around starting with the war criminal Tony Blair being rightfully implicated and crucified after the Chilcott report is released and what the gently caress is that Theresa May tweet
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Jun 30, 2016 20:16
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Those of you pontificating about a new PM ignoring the referendum result and refusing to get the ball rolling: you know that'd lead us straight into full fascism, right? We got where we are now because Farage was prepared to tell the biggest and most brazen lie imaginable to undermine the neoliberal tories (he did this not because he's an ideological racist, but because he's a petty, bitter, selfish arsehole who wanted power and has no sense of shame). The neoliberal lie that its policy of privatisation and deregulation would lead to prosperity for all of us has been running out of steam after a few decades of nobody's life getting better, and Farage has come straight out and said "it's the muzzies and the EU!" This lie is genius because the neoliberal "centre" can't dare refute it. If they reject it entirely they'll have to confront the other (left wing) side of the argument - that it was them all along. That it was their sale of social housing stock that lead to housing shortages, and their underfunding of the NHS that lead to crowded and understaffed hospitals, and so on, and so on. Honestly I think they're secretly grateful for this huge, disgusting lie, because it probably gave them another few years of power through half-arsed (but still disgraceful) pandering. They know his scapegoating of migrants and the EU is a lie, but by pandering to his base and promising to implement some controls on immigration, and to play hardball with the EU, they guaranteed themselves another 5 years in control. But they know (and Farage knows) that the "cure" being applied is basically snake-oil - it's not going to fix the problem, because the EU and the immigrants were never really the cause of the specific problem that people were complaining about. The EU referendum itself is almost incidental to this historical process (that is, it would keep going the way it's going even without the referendum), but we've had it now, and people have voted out. If the Tories turn around and say "yeah actually gently caress this we're not going out" all they do is strengthen Farage's position and add credence to the lie. Meanwhile people's lives will continue to get worse as long as neoliberalism is the order of the day, and now people think they've been promised the solution they will go loving berserk if it's denied to them undemocratically. At best UKIP win in a landslide at the next election. At absolute worst we get race riots and more murders and poo poo I don't even want to think about. All of this is also why you absolutely need, need, need a genuine left wing voice in national politics. Every time Labour panders and promises controls on immigration as the solution to ensuring jobs and homes and hospitals for British people they strengthen the cause of fascism and repression, because they're promising the wrong cure to the problem, and when it inevitably doesn't work? There's Mr Farage again, saying thay if only they had been harder on the migrants and the EU it would have worked, and a few more votes go his way. We need a socialist left wing voice on the national stage to tell people that actually it's the bastards in government and their mates in media and industry that are ruining your life, and that the solution is raising tax revenues to build houses and fund the NHS. But right now I don't see any stopping this train. We're heading towards a dirty, grey, ugly little English fascism, and the only solace I can find is the knowledge that the fascist lie is just as empty as the neoliberals', and is doomed to be exposed in its turn. But a lot of people might suffer along the way, because if Farage (or somebody prepared to lie even harder than he is) gets into power off the back of bashing minorities their only option once in power is to get nastier and nastier and nastier to the most vulnerable because he doesn't have the real answer either.  Thanks for reading Britain's Road to Fascism
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Jun 30, 2016 20:19
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Good stuff and agreed. Ignoring the referendum result is pretty much impossible if you don't want fascism. Sadly, I think the PLP's plan if they oust Corbyn is to run on a platform of staying in the EU coupled with milquetoast social democracy.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:24
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LemonDrizzle posted:Never mind, it's from a parody account. The poster's real but the "everybody who was born here" isn't. The parody account has more followers than the real one, 11k to 6k!
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Jun 30, 2016 20:24
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Baron Corbyn posted:Tony Blair being rightfully implicated and crucified after the Chilcott report et That would be nice. I'm still not convinced it won't be either a damp squib, or will get lost in whatever part of the current slow motion disaster decides to unfold at that time. Seriously if anyone in public life has some unpleasentness they're obliged to push out of the door. I don't think there's been a better time since Diana died. Simon Cowell could admit he'd just been cautioned for running a dog fighting ring and no one would notice.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:25
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Why do all your conservatives look like they are badly in need of good old fashioned American bullying?
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Jun 30, 2016 20:25
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Oberleutnant posted:Thanks for reading Britain's Road to Fascism Thanks!
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Jun 30, 2016 20:26
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Octolady posted:Would anyone be able to give me a couple of instances where Corbyn has campaigned against racism and antisemitism in the past? I have a friend accusing him of antisemitic behaviour on Facebook with the whole ISIS thing which I do think is misinterpreted, but to be honest from what I can see from the Livingstone scandal that if it's not damning, it's at least discouraging. I don't really know enough about Livingstone to make a judgement. If you think they are arguing in good faith then they might be interested in: http://www.lbc.co.uk/chakrabati-defends-corbyn-over-anti-semitism-133112
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Jun 30, 2016 20:27
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Agreed. And cross-posting for those of you not following the D&D "Pounded by the Pound" thread (you should - it's also very useful and a LOT slower); Sir John Falstaff posted:More to that point:
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Jun 30, 2016 20:30
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Chair In A Basket posted:good news though it is almost july and you can all put this wretched month behind you because it can't possibly get any worse than it already is We're not fighting each other with gardening implements for control of the nearest water tower yet, so
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Jun 30, 2016 20:32
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VanSandman posted:Why do all your conservatives look like they are badly in need of good old fashioned American bullying? I suspect the issue is they all went to posh schools where they weren't bullied because of their wealth/family, despite being huge dweebs.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:32
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Laradus posted:Agreed. I joked about retargeting the Tridents on ourselves upthread. I'm starting to think I was just ahead of the curve.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:32
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Deptfordx posted:I joked about retargeting the Tridents on ourselves upthread. I'm starting to think I was just ahead of the curve. i routinely call for it on both us and everyone else. especially argentina if they kick off about the falklands again they don't even have any of their own
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Jun 30, 2016 20:34
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Oberleutnant posted:But right now I don't see any stopping this train. We're heading towards a dirty, grey, ugly little English fascism, and the only solace I can find is the knowledge that the fascist lie is just as empty as the neoliberals', and is doomed to be exposed in its turn. A good post. Like you say, the set up of the past few decades has made this path all but inevitable, though it didn't have to fall out exactly like this at exactly this time. Personally I feel a little relieved now that it's in motion, because freefall is less sickening than the vertigo I was getting standing at the edge of the cliff wondering when we were going to jump.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:35
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Ratpick posted:Has anyone said Brexshit yet? 
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Jun 30, 2016 20:37
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Deptfordx posted:I joked about retargeting the Tridents on ourselves upthread. I'm starting to think I was just ahead of the curve. Unilately nuke ourselves would be a breach of treaty obligations. At least put it to a referendum.
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Morrow posted:I suspect the issue is they all went to posh schools where they weren't bullied because of their wealth/family, despite being huge dweebs. This is a travesty. Egalitarianism in schooling prevents this sort of thing, you know. The UK's classism will be the death of it... well, Brexit will, but then the classism.
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