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Tesseraction posted:David Hare has a good piece on this "revolution" and how it will devour itself. Traditionally the Tories were the people who opposed free markets, Corn Laws and all that. Clearly we're heading back to the 19th century, which is good news for the Liberals! Edit: 7 days since the votes came in and we all learned the entire country is dying on fire in a pile of poo poo in a dumpster. feedmegin fucked around with this message at 11:20 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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MeLKoR posted:Ahahah holy poo poo so it was Blair that entrenched Murdoch's position in the UK? This man doesn't get nearly enough vitriol compared to Bush. How has he managed to slink by unnoticed (at least internationally)? Good thing Corbyn is trying to get rid of the trash he left behind, there might be hope for Labour yet. I hope Corbyn thrashes Tony into orbit when Chilcot is released
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Jul 1, 2016 11:18
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MeLKoR posted:Ahahah holy poo poo so it was Blair that entrenched Murdoch's position in the UK? This man doesn't get nearly enough vitriol compared to Bush. How has he managed to slink by unnoticed (at least internationally)? Good thing Corbyn is trying to get rid of the trash he left behind, there might be hope for Labour yet. odds that Kinnock's Labour would have been able to pass its legislation restricting press ownership, even with a crippled Tory party:
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Well this is interesting. Austria’s constitutional court has annulled the result of the country’s presidential elections because the Far-Right candidate lost by a narrow margin. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/01/austrian-presidential-election-result-overturned-and-must-be-held-again-hofer-van-der-bellen Possible implications/precedent for ignoring the (non-binding) referendum result? The rerun is down to counting irregularities whichisn't relevent here, but surely there's an argument on the grounds of the lies told during the campaigning.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:19
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like, you know The Sun's influence predates Blair right what with wot won it
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Baron Corbyn posted:Angela Eagle is supposedly delaying her leadership bid longer to give Corbyn "more time to do the right thing". Also, for what it's worth, the rolling coverage on the BBC website has changed from "Brexit, Tory leadership and Labour leadership latest" to "Brexit and Tory leadership latest". The only Labour story on the BBC News front page is about McDonnell's speech on the banks Metrication posted:can anyone explain service tariffs to the economically illiterate (me) and how this would affect 80% of our entire economy? i assume that the cost of doing business abroad would go up (and the cost at home if you depend on a foreign supplier)? what are these tariffs that would apply? is it stuff like local vat? It affects things that are sold to or bought from abroad, including things that have components or machines used in their production that are bought from or sold to abroad.
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Prince John posted:Out of interest, are the points/rewards you get from participating actually worth your while financially? It's always unclear what the actual reward is from the website. I've gotten £50 from them once which was nice. And I'm about half-way to another £50 cheque, so I should probably get that at some time in 2018. It's probably not worth it unless you have a job where you can take 15 minutes 2-3 times a week to fill them out. If it wasn't someone else's time I was wasting I don't imagine I'd do it.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:21
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The referendum is only getting rerun if the LibDems somehow get in power after the next election. If Corbyn stays on as Labour leader (which he will) i'll doubt he'd press for it.
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What happens to all those Labour party rebel MPs? Can they slink back or did they overplay their hand?
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kustomkarkommando posted:The referendum is only getting rerun if the LibDems somehow get in power after the next election. Would they actually re-run it? I was under the impression they were going to ignore it.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:22
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McDonnell in his speech opened the door to slinking back, but I would be skeptical of that promise. I think the MPs would be too
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Jul 1, 2016 11:23
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Baloogan posted:What happens to all those Labour party rebel MPs? Can they slink back or did they overplay their hand? That question alone is more thought than they've put into it.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:23
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Biggus Dickus posted:Would they actually re-run it? I was under the impression they were going to ignore it. The LibDems love a good referendum though. They probably wouldn't bother but that's the only circumstances I would see it being likely
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Jul 1, 2016 11:24
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kustomkarkommando posted:The referendum is only getting rerun if the LibDems somehow get in power after the next election. I'm a bit concerned that the lib dems are going to nick all the remain voters. You'd think people would remember what happens when you vote for the lib dems
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Jul 1, 2016 11:25
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If the LibDems won enough seats to be kingmakers I could see a "do you want to join the EEA" or a rerun ref being a coalition price
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Jul 1, 2016 11:25
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ronya posted:McDonnell in his speech opened the door to slinking back, but I would be skeptical of that promise. I think the MPs would be too I don't doubt that there will be Consequences Down the Road, but only for the ringleaders. You can't change the entirety of the PLP overnight.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:27
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MrL_JaKiri posted:I don't doubt that there will be Consequences Down the Road, but only for the ringleaders. You can't change the entirety of the PLP overnight. that's not the problem, the problem is that McDonnell's promise that there will be no deselection is toothless. It's not up to him
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Jul 1, 2016 11:28
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OwlFancier posted:I'm a bit concerned that the lib dems are going to nick all the remain voters. 
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Jul 1, 2016 11:28
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Gove is doing an excellent job presenting himself as the charisma vacuum that stumbled into the leadership race.
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OwlFancier posted:I'm a bit concerned that the lib dems are going to nick all the remain voters. I absolutely expect them to make gains by targeting remain voters, not massive ones but a "see this is what happens when you abandoned us" semi-scolding targeting former LibDem voters may yield results
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Jul 1, 2016 11:31
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Baloogan posted:What happens to all those Labour party rebel MPs? Can they slink back or did they overplay their hand? Hopefully, mandatory reselection gets introduced by the NEC, but that's probably optimistic. Otherwise, once an MP is elected they stay an MP, that's not under the Party's control. Not much you can do to them til the election.
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https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/748826079545131008 Say one thing for George Osborne, say he's a man for going back on his promises.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:35
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Brown Moses posted:Gove is doing an excellent job presenting himself as the charisma vacuum that stumbled into the leadership race. it's a shame that the only realistic winners of that race is someone who really loving hates civil liberties, and an overly-ambitious sock puppet
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Jul 1, 2016 11:36
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"no longer"
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Brown Moses posted:Gove is doing an excellent job presenting himself as the charisma vacuum that stumbled into the leadership race. Your next pm "I did not want it, I did almost everything I could not to be in this position. I don’t have glamour or charisma." Inspiring.
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 God bless this thread for keeping my mind off of the impending tire fire that is Trump '16. teen witch fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 11:38
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Gotta live within those means, make the tough choices and tie up those purse strings. What hospital? Oh, you must mean this new golf course. There're doctors ON it, what more do you want?
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Jul 1, 2016 11:38
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OwlFancier posted:I'm a bit concerned that the lib dems are going to nick all the remain voters. Didn't the Lib Dems lose most of their seats to the Tories though? That could be a good thing. MrL_JaKiri posted:The only Labour story on the BBC News front page is about McDonnell's speech on the banks Interesting, considering the amount of coverage and baseless speculation they've been putting up the past few days, they were pretty much an active participant. Where does Labour go from here though? Surely it's a little embarrassing if the plotters just start showing back up in the shadow cabinet. Does Corbyn keep going with the skeleton shadow cabinet he has? He had 81-year-old Paul Flynn in there substituting yesterday. GEORGE W BUSHI fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 11:40
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The sad thing is gideon now has a get out clause for why his fiscal plans never achieved the aims they were supposed to
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Jul 1, 2016 11:40
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Brown Moses posted:Gove is doing an excellent job presenting himself as the charisma vacuum that stumbled into the leadership race. Did anyone ever expect otherwise? I dunno where this "Gove is a quiet intellectual worthy of respect according to the tories" idea comes from, I don't see it.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:41
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qhat posted:"no longer" We were so close you know, We almost won that war with Eurasia.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:42
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Gonzo McFee posted:We were so close you know, We almost won that war with Eurasia. In retrospect, the decisions we made weren't nearly tough enough. We really should've grasped the nettle on that one.
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Gonzo McFee posted:We were so close you know, We almost won that war with Eurasia. I think you'll find you're mistaken. We've always been at war with Eastasia.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:45
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kustomkarkommando posted:If the LibDems won enough seats to be kingmakers I could see a "do you want to join the EEA" or a rerun ref being a coalition price You would have thought the Lib Dems would learn their lesson from pinning election promises to referendums though
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Well he's got some self awareness at least. I'm still not sure I believe the treason story more than I believe that Gove launched a bid he knew full well was doomed so as to let his mate Boris off the hook. Hezza still the best speaker on Boris, I've never heard such total disdain in public.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:45
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Hahaha Gove is now promising 100 million pounds a week extra for the NHS by 2020. Even if the weird man with the flappy hands was elected, it wouldn't happen under the Tory Babykiller Squad.
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Jul 1, 2016 11:47
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peanut- posted:On a non-Brexit note, anyone in London see the soldiers at stations this morning? If you speak to them they just hand you a card. It's a really powerful tribute, they're like ghosts. I saw a group in Manchester this morning as well actually, I was on the bus so I didn't interact with them, I thought it was just some historical re-enactors
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Junior G-man posted:Hahaha awesome, they are going to stick all the impossible promise on this play doh facsimile of a man so that when he loses they can walk back from them because democratic mandate
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Junior G-man posted:Gove is now promising 100 million pounds a week extra for the NHS by 2020. wtf
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