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Well, I am excited to see Britain slide back into feudalism. My sword for Corbyn, long may he reign.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:36
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Prince John posted:Good news for Wales if Barnett goes, but it won't help the IndyRef2 Remain campaign! Does anyone even want Scotland to stay in the union at this point? Who would even be on the Remain campaign? They gonna roll out Gordon Brown again???
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Jul 1, 2016 17:37
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EvilGenius posted:Sorry for being dumb, but I don't really understand why Gove running meant Boris couldn't. Was it simply that they couldn't have two Brexit candidates?
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Jul 1, 2016 17:37
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Yinlock posted:I mean I know loving Scotland is a proud national British pastime, but I don't think this sudden "piss the Scots off so we can more easily scapegoat them" is going to work as well as they think it will, especially with Scotland chomping at the bit to leave that dumpster fire. Watch Gove start a Civil War.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:38
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kustomkarkommando posted:The referendum is only getting rerun if the LibDems somehow get in power after the next election.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:38
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I'd like Scotland to stay, but i'm OK if they leave too. But then if I could i'd be moving there. 
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Jul 1, 2016 17:40
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EvilGenius posted:Sorry for being dumb, but I don't really understand why Gove running meant Boris couldn't. Was it simply that they couldn't have two Brexit candidates? apparently gove was going to send an email to every journalist revealing bores johnsons dark and terrible secret ie hes an incompetent also he didn't want to be pm of the smouldering ruins previously known as great britan
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Jul 1, 2016 17:41
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XMNN posted:apparently gove was going to send an email to every journalist revealing
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Jul 1, 2016 17:42
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https://mobile.twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/748904658245148672
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Jul 1, 2016 17:44
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Blacktoll posted:Well, I am excited to see Britain slide back into feudalism. Does that mean you get more votes based on how many swords you have?
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Jul 1, 2016 17:46
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Curvy foreign swords don't count.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:48
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Wouldn't surprise me. Carswell is one of the saner people in UKIP who realises that building a far-right cult of personality is probably not the best way going forward for his party, at least. For that reason, he's always annoyed Farage. Carswell does hold the upper hand, though, because if he goes, UKIP lose a lot of short money and would be increasingly reliant on Aaron Banks to, well, bankroll them.
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Yinlock posted:I mean I know loving Scotland is a proud national British pastime, but I don't think this sudden "piss the Scots off so we can more easily scapegoat them" is going to work as well as they think it will, especially with Scotland chomping at the bit to leave that dumpster fire. Their decisions make a great deal of sense if you start from the premise that Glorious Britain is a powerful institution that shall never be defeated by virtue of its basic Britishness and that all other nations will always recognise the inherent greatness of and want to be pals with or be crushed by our might a reminder that Gove was also in charge of education, with a particular view towards redrafting the history curriculum
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Jul 1, 2016 17:48
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It seems to me that Boris was unsurprisingly reluctant to actually invoke Article 50 so when Gove said he was going to run rather than support Boris it meant that Boris still ran against him he was going to make himself even more unpopular in the party and either lose and sink into obscurity or win and have to lead the UK out of the EU. He'd be doomed either way so he's beaten a retreat now to consider his options.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:49
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Maybe Gove has a few skeletons in his closet. I'm not speaking metaphorically.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:52
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Judging from gove_clapping.gifv I'm not certain he has any skeleton at all.
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Jul 1, 2016 17:55
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TinTower posted:Wouldn't surprise me. Carswell is one of the saner people in UKIP who realises that building a far-right cult of personality is probably not the best way going forward for his party, at least. For that reason, he's always annoyed Farage. Carswell does hold the upper hand, though, because if he goes, UKIP lose a lot of short money and would be increasingly reliant on Aaron Banks to, well, bankroll them. Especially once all that lovely MEP money dries up, I believe Farage and Carswell have been arguing over the short money since day one as well.
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namesake posted:It seems to me that Boris was unsurprisingly reluctant to actually invoke Article 50 so when Gove said he was going to run rather than support Boris it meant that Boris still ran against him he was going to make himself even more unpopular in the party and either lose and sink into obscurity or win and have to lead the UK out of the EU. In a battle between his ambition and his cowardice, cowardice won. Quite the suprise result actually .
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Jul 1, 2016 17:56
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Jul 1, 2016 17:58
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boris dropped out because he was relying on murdoch and dacre's support, murdoch cleary prefers gove (I imagine he considers him more controllable) and dacre is a close friend of gove (but the mail might be declaring for may anyway)
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Jul 1, 2016 18:01
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Jul 1, 2016 18:01
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they either have the short money or think they'll easily get it, could there be a defection is that how that works
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Jul 1, 2016 18:01
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the press barons openly wielding such power in politics is yet another way the current situation mirrors that of the early 1900s
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Jul 1, 2016 18:04
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ShredsYouSay posted:Maybe Gove has a few skeletons in his closet. Have you seen that clapping video? I'm not even convinced he has a skeleton in his body.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:04
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Didn't the MPs who were backing Boris switch to Gove?
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Vengeance of Pandas posted:Especially once all that lovely MEP money dries up, I believe Farage and Carswell have been arguing over the short money since day one as well. They'll probably get bankrolled by Richard "Dirty" Desmond from here on in.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:07
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The complete clown car of Tory incompetence that got us here is something to behold, when you think of it. Cameron has the wizard idea of holding a referendum on the EU, which he lost, meaning he doesn't get to be PM. Therefore, Bozza has the wizard idea of backing Leave, thinking he'd lose. He's vilified by the country, and as soon as he does run for PM he gets knifed in the back by Gove, so he doesn't get to be PM. Therefore, because Gove was just a little bit too obviously backstabby even for the Tories, most Tories are backing Theresa May instead, meaning he probably doesn't get to be PM either. I wonder how Theresa will gently caress it up and who will try for it after her.
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Not Operator posted:Have you seen that clapping video? I'm not even convinced he has a skeleton in his body. he's actually a rare species of extremely large mollusc
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Jul 1, 2016 18:08
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VanSandman posted:Why are all of your political cartoons grotesques? At least it's not like in America where the people who draw the cartoons are grotesque monsters who draw birthday cards in between drawing images of Obama raping a foetus to make rent.
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Jul 1, 2016 18:10
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So what should I expect to happen at a Momentum rally? Is it just a bunch of people standing around listening to speeches? (Genuine question, I've never actually been to a political rally, but there's one near me tomorrow that I've half a mind to go to).
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Jul 1, 2016 18:13
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pretty much yeah, they'll take points and questions from the audience as well, suggestions on activism etc, they may have some events planned already they will ask who can attend/help etc e: one other thing you should expect is lefties who have been active locally for decades and have serious grudges with each other for how they voted twenty years ago
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feedmegin posted:The complete clown car of Tory incompetence that got us here is something to behold, when you think of it. You forgot "Tories make a whole bunch of promises they never intend to keep (including an EU referendum) with the intentions of dropping them during negotiations with the Lib Dems and gently caress themselves by accidentally winning an election".
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Jul 1, 2016 18:15
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The structural problems that come from having large, powerful international banks will remain if they go to France or Germany; it's just we will neither get the tax money from them nor be able to regulate them. Aiming to keep them in Britain is the only sensible choice. Oh I agree, it just appears that this double think was to much for the newsrooms to even contemplate commenting on. Baron Corbyn posted:There is absolutely no way the PLP would stand for anyone who would name McDonnell as their Shadow Chancellor. I think people here underestimate just how much they loving hate him and have hated him for a long time. Mainly because he's been more effective than Corbyn supporting left wing candidates within the party while Corbyn mainly focused on his pet issues outside the Labour party e.g. Chagos Islanders, Latin American links. I think McDonnell is actually turning into a fantastic shadow chancellor. For all the press fear mongering of RED COMMIE JOHN he's actually been talking the most economic sense of any major political consistency for months.
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Paul.Power posted:Didn't the MPs who were backing Boris switch to Gove? Nope they seemed to mostly have switched to her most evilness Andrea Leadsom. Its expected to be between May and Leadsom now, May should win it but given Davis went into the start of the last fight as the expected winner we shouldn't count our chickens - as while May is an Authoritarian she is still human, and I really am not sure Leadsom is.
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wocobob posted:Okay, another ignorant American backstory question: 
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feedmegin posted:I wonder how Theresa will gently caress it up and who will try for it after her. I'm half eager to see May not be Prime Minister and half scared of what godawful Tory monster could replace her as frontrunner
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