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Jaminjami
Jan 26, 2015
still not settled in that chilcot is next wednesday, gonna be crazy

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StoneOfShame
Jul 28, 2013

This is the best kitchen ever.

Prince John posted:

Apart from the whole 'allowing murderers to go unpunished' thing. I do think it was an awesome agreement on balance, but there were certainly downsides.

Edit: Stupid phone.

Yeah you are correct, I just tend to take it as an acceptable trade off as I have an emotional investment in the peace. It also did allow for investigation into those who the state forces colluded with so it wasn't a wholesale amnesty.

StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Jul 1, 2016

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

feedmegin posted:

I wonder how Theresa will gently caress it up and who will try for it after her.

I'm half eager to see May not be Prime Minister and half scared of what godawful Tory monster could replace her as frontrunner

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!

Jaminjami posted:

still not settled in that chilcot is next wednesday, gonna be crazy

The sequel to Tony Blair's Excellent Adventure, Tony Blair's Bogus Journey.

The journey is to The Hague.

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005




Is there really any chance Blair will see the inside of the courtroom?

Hope is a lie, right?

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

MrL_JaKiri posted:

Cambridge steered straight for the booms under no pressure, idiots.

agreed they nearly steered into temple island off the start too

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!

Mr. Flunchy posted:

Is there really any chance Blair will see the inside of the courtroom?

Hope is a lie, right?

Hope is healthy, friend. Tony Blair is going to prison.

Gonzo McFee
Jun 19, 2010
https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/748833051954782209

There's yer Louise Mensch, picking fights with museums.

ukle
Nov 28, 2005

Metrication posted:

will the tories break under pressure from their donors in the city and the business world? or will they throw them under a bus and commit to total economic meltdown?

Nope they will play Politics, which May, Gove and Labour are doing by saying we are aiming for a trade deal on same terms, won't initiate article 50 until we have progress on that i.e. they are all kicking the can down the road. It will be a case of continually working on getting a deal from now until the next election (or the next next election if one is called this year), while all that time the UK will still be in the EU but due to the messed up status won't be receiving EU funding on certain issues.

There is one thing UK politicians are very good at is kicking poo poo down the road so the next ones have to deal with it.

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

It was just a prank bro!

https://twitter.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/748927004880343041

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you



what.

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






The hate for the lib dems comes from a few sources:

1. They're a centrist party historically in third place, so they traditionally picked up protest votes from left and right at the same time. This really annoys the Tories and Labour.

2. They went into coalition with the Tories right after picking up a ton of disillusioned Labour voters who actually gave them their 60 seats, and traded away core left wing campaign pledges they had made like the tuition fees cap that were particularly attractive to Labour voters so that they could get a referendum on PR. This left all those new voters feeling betrayed.

3. Having done that, they then proceeded to lose the referendum (which they should have predicted as the influential media were solidly anti- and it was a complex issue) and generally get kicked around by the Tories throughout the parliament. All they got in return was being a roadblock to some of the creepy poo poo the Tories proposed. This left them looking weak as well as unreliable, and played into a narrative that the Tories were strong and competent that directly led to the majority Conservative government.

Their policies are fine but they're in a catch 22: being the third party in an FPTP system means there's no chance they will ever be dictating the terms of a coalition so it's guaranteed they will have to ditch stuff, in which case why vote for them? Basically to be a major party that can force their agenda they need a landslide, which they can't get because they're not a major party. Or they need to be very ruthless junior partners in a coalition, which they weren't last time.

Firos
Apr 30, 2007

Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism




:psypop:

What is going on

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!
I'm choosing to ignore that tweet until its verified elsewhere, because I actually cannot wrap my head around it.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/748833051954782209

There's yer Louise Mensch, picking fights with museums.

I wonder if she supports Leave because she doesn't want Remania to join the EU.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Twitter has been wrong a lot but if it's true Jfc gently caress the plp

Necrothatcher
Mar 26, 2005





ukle
Nov 28, 2005

Not Operator posted:

I'm choosing to ignore that tweet until its verified elsewhere, because I actually cannot wrap my head around it.

Yeah that has to be wrong. The PLP are idiots but they aren't that colossally stupid surely?

Firos
Apr 30, 2007

Staying abreast of the latest developments in jam communism



ukle posted:

Yeah that has to be wrong. The PLP are idiots but they aren't that colossally stupid surely?

They can always build a better idiot.

Loving Africa Chaps
Dec 3, 2007


We had not left it yet, but when I would wake in the night, I would lie, listening, homesick for it already.

XMNN posted:

Twitter has been wrong a lot but if it's true Jfc gently caress the plp

Of course it's true. The PLP have managed to muster the person who came 4th place in the deputy leader contest and someone i've just had to google, they know they'd get smashed in a leadership contest

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

ukle posted:

Yeah that has to be wrong. The PLP are idiots but they aren't that colossally stupid surely?

now you put it like that im inclined to believe it's true

Loving Africa Chaps posted:

Of course it's true. The PLP have managed to muster the person who came 4th place in the deputy leader contest and someone i've just had to google, they know they'd get smashed in a leadership contest

I'm just holding out hope for the tiniest sliver of sanity in post reality britain

haakman
May 5, 2011

I don't...what?

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...


Maybe they're finally backing Corbhahahaha

Jaminjami
Jan 26, 2015
i think jeremy firing hilary shook them real bad and made em commit to a stupid plan

GEORGE W BUSHI
Jul 1, 2012

vodkat posted:

Oh I agree, it just appears that this double think was to much for the newsrooms to even contemplate commenting on.


I think McDonnell is actually turning into a fantastic shadow chancellor. For all the press fear mongering of RED COMMIE JOHN he's actually been talking the most economic sense of any major political consistency for months.

Don't get me wrong. John McDonnell is my favourite major politician. He was just the bogeyman hate figure for most of the Labour Party outside of the socialist grouping right up until Jeremy Corbyn hired Seumas Milne.

Saint Isaias Boner
Jan 17, 2007

hi how are you


graun's reporting that tom watson wants everyone to back off while he tries to talk Corbyn down.

Doesn't sound likely.

I guess their polling is showing that the membership is slowly turning against Corbyn so if they keep the pressure up they can call a leadership contest as soon as they think they'll win

Not Operator
Jan 1, 2009

Not A doctor, THE Doctor!
Turns out that vote of no confidence really just in general.

Pesky Splinter
Feb 16, 2011

A worried pug.

ukle posted:

Nope they seemed to mostly have switched to her most evilness Andrea Leadsom. Its expected to be between May and Leadsom now, May should win it but given Davis went into the start of the last fight as the expected winner we shouldn't count our chickens - as while May is an Authoritarian she is still human, and I really am not sure Leadsom is.

A quick gander on Leadsom; took part in tax avoidance schemes to avoid inheritance tax, abstained on same-sex marriages, and was appointed "Minister of State at the Department for Energy and Climate Change, despite her previous opposition to wind farms and European Renewable energy targets".

Typical Toryshit.txt, really.

Ratpick
Oct 9, 2012

And no one ate dinner that night.
I've only been following UK politics actively for the past few weeks and even I think that, yes, the PLP could indeed be that stupid if the past weeks are any indication.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
this slow mo coup is not a very good advert for the plps political abilities imho

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!

Mr. Flunchy posted:

Is there really any chance Blair will see the inside of the courtroom?

Hope is a lie, right?

In lucky timing, Palestine has just became the 30th state to ratify the Kampala amendment. Which means that in two years the International Criminal Court can finally prosecute states and individuals for the 'crime of aggression'.

Not a lawyer though so unclear whether this would apply to previous acts of state aggression or just from 2018 onwards.

https://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=772017

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Angepain posted:

I'm half eager to see May not be Prime Minister and half scared of what godawful Tory monster could replace her as frontrunner

Funny you should say that!

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/01/andrea-leadsom-serious-contender-tory-leadership-spurning-boris-johnson

Who the hell is she

tooterfish
Jul 13, 2013

Nice to see the Brexit crowd are so confident that their monumental victory will definitely certainly make Britain great again that they're literally dragging people off the loving streets and offering them the job of sacrificial lamb PM.

Antares
Jan 13, 2006

The end of the world sounded terrifying but now that it's actually here it's extremely loving funny

Jaminjami
Jan 26, 2015
lmfao

Guardian posted:

Labour’s deputy leader, Tom Watson, is urging colleagues to step back from the brink in challenging Jeremy Corbyn, warning that a leadership election in which the incumbent stands again could cause untold damage to the party. Watson is seeking to organise a meeting with Corbyn’s closest advisers to try to agree a negotiated settlement that would see the Labour leader step down voluntarily, thus avoiding an acrimonious and drawn-out battle.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/01/tom-watson-calls-on-labour-mps-to-prevent-leadership-contest

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes

I like her "annoying George Osborne" policy, but not her "being a Tory" policy

ShredsYouSay
Sep 22, 2011

How's his widow holding up?
Could we possibly revive Clement Atlee using dark magic?

Or lol could you imagine the queen summoning Ian Hislop and getting him to form a government?

ShredsYouSay
Sep 22, 2011

How's his widow holding up?

Antares posted:

The end of the world sounded terrifying but now that it's actually here it's extremely loving funny

It's like Joker gas.

Jaminjami
Jan 26, 2015
we don't have a good enough candidate to beat you in a contest so you should step down because,

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TheRat
Aug 30, 2006


Amazing

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