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Regarde Aduck posted:You don't need oil to run an economy. I don't think the Scottish have any illusions about being rich. They just don't want to be ripped out of the EU. I don't know why this is so funny. it's funny because it was a major yes campaign argument and the irony is oil prices have since collapsed i don't care at all if the scottish leave but the yes campaign was almost as saturated with dumb arguments as the EU leave campaign
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MrL_JaKiri posted:No subtext here Am wondering which direction the subtweeting's aimed at tbh. Assume at rebels but who knows really.
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OvineYeast posted:Am wondering which direction the subtweeting's aimed at tbh. Assume at rebels but who knows really. I'd say it's most likely at rebels, referring to beating the Tories.
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https://twitter.com/euanmcmorrow/status/748983084066963456 Also, why do the Welsh get the best anthems? Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is everything that God Save the Queen fails at. 
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Good god Theresa May's smile could flay a rhinoceros.
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Jul 1, 2016 22:19
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Jfc Theresa May is going to be prime minister
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Jul 1, 2016 22:21
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say goodbye to your civil liberties britain
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Jul 1, 2016 22:22
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Broken Britain.
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qhat posted:i don't care at all if the scottish leave but the yes campaign was almost as saturated with dumb arguments as the EU leave campaign
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Jul 1, 2016 22:24
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Will Theresa May at least add "ignore referendum result and tell voters to go gently caress themselves" to her oppression to do list or will she be completely useless?
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Hoops posted:There was indeed some real bare faced bullshit in the Yes campaign but it was nowhere near the same league as the Leave campaign, comparing Yes to Leave is like comparing Israel to Islamic State or something alex salmond claiming that scotland could share sterling is almost as ludicrous as suggesting the UK can have access to the single market without free movement
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Jul 1, 2016 22:25
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To be fair, the Scottish independence white paper had half as many pages as the Leave plan had words in total.
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blowfish posted:Will Theresa May at least add "ignore referendum result and tell voters to go gently caress themselves" to her oppression to do list or will she be completely useless? Nah mate. She is all abroad the Brexit train. Although tbh I agree with Oberleutnant that going back now is if not impossible, very dangerous. Unless the situation changes significantly, which it still might
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Jul 1, 2016 22:26
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I think the eu might stand in the way of her dream of making judge dredd real
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TinTower posted:Also, why do the Welsh get the best anthems? Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau is everything that God Save the Queen fails at. England specific events should be opened with Jerusalem sung by Ken Livingstone.
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Guavanaut posted:England should not use God Save the Queen for England specific events. And did Hitler's feet, in ancient time… Anyway, the best footballing song, though, is objectively Vindaloo. Not only is it catchy, it also explains pretty concisely the rules of the game; to wit, "we're gonna score one more than you". TinTower fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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Jul 1, 2016 22:28
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Dumb American here but I thought Tom Watson was supposed to be good
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I've expressed this before, but Theresa May is a monster through circumstance rather than personal flaw. All Home Secretaries become fascist Big Brothers eventually, because they get reports on foiled terrorist plots 100 times a year. I pity her in a way. But whether or not it's directly her own fault, that does not change the fact that she is a monster.
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infact, you could say that when you start making arguments on nationalistic lines, obvious bullshit suddenly becomes viable because people start ignoring facts
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qhat posted:infact, you could say that when you start making arguments on nationalistic lines, obvious bullshit suddenly becomes viable because people start ignoring facts "start" ignoring facts?
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blowfish posted:Will Theresa May at least add "ignore referendum result and tell voters to go gently caress themselves" to her oppression to do list or will she be completely useless? Nope. She recognises the benefits of staying in the EU, but doesn't want them as much as she wants to have the UK no longer subject to the ECHR. Of all the extant Tories she's probably the vilest, IDS included.
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PT6A posted:I thought it was already well-supported in parliament, in which case the referendum was a choice between doing the right think that would've been done in any event, and doing something contrary to equality and human rights. It wasn't supported strongly by all parties until it was seen to be winning. Sinn Fein were the earliest party campaigners for LGBT rights in Ireland. Labour had previously supported the idea of a referendum where Fine Gael were silent on the issue. Even the way it was brought forward was done in a way to distance themselves if needed, it was proposed to a convention of some politicians and members of the public so they could a referendum as the will of the people. Fianna Fail did very little to campaign for the Yes vote and could be seen as cynical, late stage supporters. Even one of their TD's left left due to what she saw cynical and cowardly approach from the party.
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qhat posted:alex salmond claiming that scotland could share sterling is almost as ludicrous as suggesting the UK can have access to the single market without free movement Well, the Euro is rapidly recovering and the pound is still falling, so it probably won't be an issue for much longer.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Why was marriage a constitutional issue in Ireland in the first place? Who defines marriage in their founding documents? The Irish constitution has a lot to say about marriage: article 41 posted:1. The state recognises the family as the natural
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Hoops posted:I've expressed this before, but Theresa May is a monster through circumstance rather than personal flaw. All Home Secretaries become fascist Big Brothers eventually, because they get reports on foiled terrorist plots 100 times a year. I pity her in a way. But whether or not it's directly her own fault, that does not change the fact that she is a monster. That's actually an interesting argument, like should certain government positions be dead ends where you are sinecured into a position as far away as possible from civil liberties and minorities if you have to run the state security apparatus at any point in your life. It sounds like something the ancient Romans might do. An internal cordon sanitaire. I think it's a mix of personal tendency, the job itself, and the job itself helping reveal certain tendencies. This sort of thing didn't happen to Home Secretaries during the height of IRA terrorism, did it?
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XMNN posted:I think the eu might stand in the way of her dream of making judge dredd real
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I hope the polish are nicer to us than we were to them when we become a source of cheap migratory labour for more developed European economies 
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Jedit posted:Nope. She recognises the benefits of staying in the EU, but doesn't want them as much as she wants to have the UK no longer subject to the ECHR. Of all the extant Tories she's probably the vilest, IDS included. No, I'm sorry but IDS takes the biscuit for vilest. He went and met people in some of the poorest areas of the UK, listened to how hard life was for them, how they struggled and then went back to enact and promote the legislation that has made their situation even worse and shortened their lives, in some cases leading to suicide. gently caress him, my dream for him post revolution isn't something quick like the guillotine or the wall but to leave him in those exact same circumstances for his final years until he's ground down to nothing and it still won't be enough.
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Jedit posted:Nope. She recognises the benefits of staying in the EU, but doesn't want them as much as she wants to have the UK no longer subject to the ECHR. Of all the extant Tories she's probably the vilest, IDS included. The ECHR is not the EU, though I can't for May's Britain where we stand united with Belarus and Kazakhstan against the oppressions of human rights law.
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Halman posted:Dumb American here but I thought Tom Watson was supposed to be good We hoped Tom would be a lefty bastard but turns out he's mostly bastard.
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OwlFancier posted:We hoped Tom would be a lefty bastard but turns out he's mostly bastard. I'd say it's more that we hoped Tom Watson would be a loyal bastard buut he's mostly been a useless bastard and now he's just a bastard.
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Antti posted:I think it's a mix of personal tendency, the job itself, and the job itself helping reveal certain tendencies.
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qhat posted:alex salmond claiming that scotland could share sterling is almost as ludicrous as suggesting the UK can have access to the single market without free movement It's perfectly feasible to carry on using sterling, it's just dumb for the same reason that joining the Euro would be dumb, just even worse. Scotland would be ceding an exchange rate that floated according to its needs while having no control over monetary policy and only having access to tax raising/spending powers that were significantly smaller than those of rUK. Several countries around the world do this with the USD though, so it's not the impossibility that single market without free movement is.
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I voted for Angela Eagle lol actually all the deputy candidates have turned out terrible, come to think of it.
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Jul 1, 2016 22:49
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what the gently caress is with the 'accidentally pissed down my own leg' stance?
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It's like the Tories run a seminar on how to stand without looking human while doing so
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OvineYeast posted:I voted for Angela Eagle lol I can't remember who I voted for but I think it was Stella Creasy. What happened to her?
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OvineYeast posted:actually all the deputy candidates have turned out terrible, come to think of it. well they were all members of the PLP so that's to be expected, I guess
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Oberleutnant posted:I'd say it's more that we hoped Tom Watson would be a loyal bastard buut he's mostly been a useless bastard and now he's just a bastard. There's no guaranteed GE until 2020, and in the meantime, is it unreasonable to wish to have a leader who has the support of the opposition? (I understand if you say "it's cool to be out in the wilderness for the next decade so long as we get proper Labourites into office afterwards.") Tacky-Ass Rococco fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Jul 1, 2016 |
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