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Renfield posted:Growing up in South-East London (solid Conservative), and living in North Kent for 20 years, working with the general public for the last 15, I'd say 52% is a very low estimate. Yeah, once you start going into casual racism we're looking at like 90% of the country minimum. Heck pretty sure you can find racist blind people.
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Tesseraction posted:This thread. Not sure which specific poster I annoyed but Feels Good Man. I keep thinking you're Horselord, so I'm perpetually doing double takes at what you post. First World Problems.
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Renfield posted:vv percent of the population that are racist IMO most if not everyone is to some degree racist in their own heads, but what separates good person from bad person is the conviction to rise above such primitive us-vs-them tendencies instead of parading it around like it's something to be proud about
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah, once you start going into casual racism we're looking at like 90% of the country minimum. Heck pretty sure you can find racist blind people. not everyone is born blind altough it would be somewhat ironic Prince John posted:I keep thinking you're Horselord, so I'm perpetually doing double takes at what you post. First World Problems. not if horselord had anything to say about it
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qhat posted:IMO most if not everyone is to some degree racist in their own heads, but what separates good person from bad person is the conviction to rise above such primitive us-vs-them tendencies instead of parading it around like it's something to be proud about I'd agree - It's recognising your own bias and not letting it effect how you deal with people
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Prince John posted:I keep thinking you're Horselord, so I'm perpetually doing double takes at what you post. First World Problems. Stalin was a good Christian boy who never did anything wrong.
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also HorseLord currently has a Sunday Sport "I shoved 10 creme eggs up me bum" article as an av thanks to the imperialism thread
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TheRat posted:Labour MP writes article in The Sun asking people to join the party to help remove Corbyn. I'm sure this wont backfire at all. That's actually
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah, once you start going into casual racism we're looking at like 90% of the country minimum. Heck pretty sure you can find racist blind people.  I already got probated for a week for saying racism is about race, so lets not bring that question up again by mentioning blind people
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Jul 3, 2016 16:11
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winegums posted:That's actually Yeah, I have a begrudging respect for the integrity of his character, thankfully his political opinions are true evil garbage so it's easy to let that outweigh the aforementioned respect.
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His views aren't actually garbage though. They're usually pretty stubborn arguments that are very difficult to refute.
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Tesseraction posted:Heck pretty sure you can find racist blind people. Tesseraction posted:Stalin was a good Christian boy who never did anything wrong.
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Jul 3, 2016 16:13
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Guavanaut posted:You can find racist blind people just by looking at a list of former home secretaries.
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Jul 3, 2016 16:14
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qhat posted:What the gently caress are you talking about his gimmick is convincing himself that the well understood and explained bigotry of areas with low immigration are not simple bigotry from ignorance but rather a fully justified class sentiment, as he himself is one of those people. It's incredibly stupid and obviously wrong. If you refuse to accept that immigration is a scapegoat for wider legitimate problems, then the debate is pointless, as there is no understanding involved. Immigration is not a problem and white british supremacists can go gently caress themselves on the matter. There's certainly a point in that the public now appears to be mobilised on the issue and have Strong Feelings about it, but it's really hard to point out that the problem isn't legitimate without also explaining how modern politics works. At which point people just fundamentally decline the answer.
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Jul 3, 2016 16:15
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qhat posted:His views aren't actually garbage though. They're usually pretty stubborn arguments that are very difficult to refute. His support for zero-hour contracts and opposition to gay marriage, plus his support of UKIP come under garbage, but that might just be me.
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qhat posted:His views aren't actually garbage though. They're usually pretty stubborn arguments that are very difficult to refute. I think the thing is that his views are *conservative*. As opposed to the 'tell-any-lie-to-get-votes' neolib/capitalist line which every government since Thatcher has spouted. He genuinely believes that small government is better. He's wrong, but he's not saying it because a focus group said it was the best thing to say.
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Oh yeah, when I say evil garbage, I don't mean that they're hollow lies or obvious bullshit, I mean that he favours things that would punish poor people.
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thespaceinvader posted:I think the thing is that his views are *conservative*. As opposed to the 'tell-any-lie-to-get-votes' neolib/capitalist line which every government since Thatcher has spouted. This is basically it, he does obv. have bad views on things like gay marriage, but he's not really the kind of person to say random poo poo that can be refuted in ten seconds of research. He's the kind of conservative you'd would want to have in a debate because he's actually capable of opening up more realistic lines of argument rather than what just 'sounds' the best.
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Jul 3, 2016 16:20
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Rakosi posted:
Humanity doesn't have distinct races, soooooo
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The thing with it is that it makes it potentially possible to actually persuade him. Whereas the 'any lie for power' type is unpersuadable because they don't care whether they're doing the right thing for everyone else as long as they're doing the right thing for them.
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Jul 3, 2016 16:21
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Rakosi posted:I agree completely, and the fallout of the vote has really let the worms squirm out of the apple and they need to be dealt with. i respectfully submit that if someone starts voting UKIP the second someone called Wladislaw moves into town because the presence of one Eastern European accent is considered deleterious to their communal identity, then that person is a racist.
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Jul 3, 2016 16:22
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forkboy84 posted:Nah, Momentum are Militant reborn apparently & not SWP. Nah, Militant were well-organised. Seriously if Momentum were half as ruthless as Militant we wouldn't be in this situation right now. (I know you're being sarcastic, but still)
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The problem with England is that English people are all lazy shirkers. You can't even unclog your own toilet without needing a polish guy. gently caress off.
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Jul 3, 2016 16:25
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thespaceinvader posted:The thing with it is that it makes it potentially possible to actually persuade him. Personally i like listening to JRM because 1) I crack up everytime i hear his voice, and 2) it's good to hear a conservative argument presented in a way that makes sense, forcing me to reconsider my own position
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Jedit posted:i respectfully submit that if someone starts voting UKIP the second someone called Wladislaw moves into town because the presence of one Eastern European accent is considered deleterious to their communal identity, then that person is a racist. Rakosi is the guy who had a pages-long argument about how people who hated e.g. eastern europeans aren't racists because they're white. but yes.
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Jose posted:not if horselord had anything to say about it  nice
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Regarde Aduck posted:The problem with England is that English people are all lazy shirkers. You can't even unclog your own toilet without needing a polish guy. gently caress off.
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Tesseraction posted:Yeah, once you start going into casual racism we're looking at like 90% of the country minimum. Heck pretty sure you can find racist blind people. dave chappelle was a prophet
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Malcolm XML posted:dave chappelle was a prophet speaking of I'm glad he's come back into stand-up, need to check some of that poo poo out
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UnCO3 posted:hmm not gonna read this until someone can verify whether it's bullshit or not
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Jul 3, 2016 16:42
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People say there's an issue with foreigners in the UK but the EU's full of 'em!
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Tesseraction posted:My favourite thing is all the racists wrapping themselves in the flag of Saint George while telling foreigners to get out, ignoring that Saint George was born in Syrian Palestine. A Muslim woman I know was told that she could only call herself British if she was descended from Anglo-Saxons.
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qhat posted:not gonna read this until someone can verify whether it's bullshit or not
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It's great that now the UK finally has the chance to trade with countries outside the EU.
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TinTower posted:A Muslim woman I know was told that she could only call herself British if she was descended from Anglo-Saxons. Sucks to be a Celt right now, I guess.
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Tesseraction posted:Sucks to be a Celt right now, I guess. Actually, it's good
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Andrast posted:It's great that now the UK finally has the chance to trade with countries outside the EU. liz truss awakens in a cold sweat. her time has come.
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TinTower posted:A Muslim woman I know was told that she could only call herself British if she was descended from Anglo-Saxons. i think the queen's surname could be something like saxe-coburg-gotha-Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg before they anglicized it or something; philip is/was the prince of greece and denmark
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My dad also said the same thing, although he thought that celts should be permitted. And then he went on to say that hitler also viewed the celts as part of the master race lol.
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