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| Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce |
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44 | 21.36% |
| ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress |
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19 | 9.22% |
| Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin |
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9 | 4.37% |
| Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit |
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8 | 3.88% |
| Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died |
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24 | 11.65% |
| Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country |
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14 | 6.80% |
| ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread |
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17 | 8.25% |
| ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter |
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15 | 7.28% |
| ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming |
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2 | 0.97% |
| Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy |
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10 | 4.85% |
| ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union |
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5 | 2.43% |
| ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die |
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25 | 12.14% |
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Angepain posted:Fans of the Sunday Herald will enjoy this heartwarming display of European solidarity on the front page:
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Angepain posted:Fans of the Sunday Herald will enjoy this heartwarming display of European solidarity on the front page: https://www.reddit.com/r/Scotland/comments/4r2yx3/a_query_for_our_multilingual_friends_have_the/ 
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Jul 3, 2016 22:37
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jre posted:They didn't make a sound case that it would make things better for the people of Scotland. "fear" is implying that independence is the only right choice but people "bottled" making that decision. People voted no for rational reasons, hard core nationalists who based their decision on emotion and patriotic sentiment just don't seem to be able to get this because that's not how they made their decision. The thing is the No camp didn't exactly make a strong case for how things would be more stable either. Certainly in retrospect it seems either choice was a massive leap in the dark and any hope that maintaining the untenable status quo was somehow more stable was naive and largely unfounded. The quite reasonable belief that tory England would drag us kicking and screaming from Europe and otherwise punt our hopes and dreams into the loving sea is not so much an emotional argument as an astute observation of the way the wind was and is blowing. That the Scottish electorate only a year later mobilised en masse to vote overwhelmingly for one party without having any kind of decisive effect on the election result (thanks FPTP) illustrates perfectly how misserved they are by Britain's democratic deficit and begs the question, "How can things meaningfully improve for us without independence?" But I suppose anybody that disagrees with the idea that a No vote was the sensible, adult, non-idiotic choice should just shut up and eat their cereal.
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Jul 3, 2016 22:38
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Angepain posted:Fans of the Sunday Herald will enjoy this heartwarming display of European solidarity on the front page: The Swedish one says "Scotland is Europe", not "Scotland is European".
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Jul 3, 2016 22:43
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Was Sunday Herald anti-independence the first time around?
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Jul 3, 2016 22:52
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Angepain posted:Fans of the Sunday Herald will enjoy this heartwarming display of European solidarity on the front page: Something for everyone  TomViolence posted:The thing is the No camp didn't exactly make a strong case for how things would be more stable either. Certainly in retrospect it seems either choice was a massive leap in the dark and any hope that maintaining the untenable status quo was somehow more stable was naive and largely unfounded. It became amazingly obvious during the independence campaign that Salmond had not a loving clue how the Scottish economy would look after independence, not even what currency the country would use. The only clear policy he had was lets have a race to the bottom in corp tax. Guess who else thinks that's a great idea quote:The quite reasonable belief that tory England would drag us kicking and screaming from Europe and otherwise punt our hopes and dreams into the loving sea is not so much an emotional argument as an astute observation of the way the wind was and is blowing. That the Scottish electorate only a year later mobilised en masse to vote overwhelmingly for one party without having any kind of decisive effect on the election result (thanks FPTP) illustrates perfectly how misserved they are by Britain's democratic deficit and begs the question, "How can things meaningfully improve for us without independence?" quote:But I suppose anybody that disagrees with the idea that a No vote was the sensible, adult, non-idiotic choice should just shut up and eat their cereal. How about instead of eating their cereal they try understand the other point of view instead of calling them idiots, or afraid like petulant children ? tithin posted:Was Sunday Herald anti-independence the first time around? They were pro independence
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Jul 3, 2016 22:54
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lilljonas posted:The Swedish one says "Scotland is Europe", not "Scotland is European". drat, our dreams of continental conquest have been revealed.
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Jul 3, 2016 22:57
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jre posted:How about instead of eating their cereal they try understand the other point of view instead of calling them idiots Indeed. jre posted:I'm looking forward to idiots growing up and not describing people voting a different way as "bottling it"
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Jul 3, 2016 23:16
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jre posted:Are elections only democratic if the voting intent of a percentage of 5 million people overrides the other 60 million in the country ? I'd like to propose in fact, that if the party I vote for doesn't immediately get every seat in every parliament it's undemocratic. I ain't going to disagree with you on the infactual basis that the Yes Campaign ran on. But surely the fairness of elections depend on the voting system anyways? FPTP is not a good democratic system regardless if the party you want wins. You know that the likes of UKIP getting elected is that one of their goals would be to abolish the devolved parliaments. So what happens if they do get elected in a good amount in England because they are the populist party that the SNP are in Scotland, but the majority of Scotland didn't vote for them and they proceed to abolish the parliaments? Would that be fair? And before anyone goes on about how that isn't going to happen, it's a hypothetical question. The possibility is very small but a possiblity none the less and one that can happen, proven by how the SNP managed to get over 56 seats in Scotland in the general election and the EU referendum result. jre posted:How about instead of eating their cereal they try understand the other point of view instead of calling them idiots, or afraid like petulant children ? We are going to get a repeat of 2012-2014 again aren't we. jre posted:They were pro independence Did they come out as pro-indepedence in the middle of the referendum period or near-late? TomViolence posted:Indeed. 
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Jul 3, 2016 23:17
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Schottland ist ein
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Jul 3, 2016 23:25
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TomViolence posted:The thing is the No camp didn't exactly make a strong case for how things would be more stable either. Certainly in retrospect it seems either choice was a massive leap in the dark and any hope that maintaining the untenable status quo was somehow more stable was naive and largely unfounded. The quite reasonable belief that tory England would drag us kicking and screaming from Europe and otherwise punt our hopes and dreams into the loving sea is not so much an emotional argument as an astute observation of the way the wind was and is blowing. That the Scottish electorate only a year later mobilised en masse to vote overwhelmingly for one party without having any kind of decisive effect on the election result (thanks FPTP) illustrates perfectly how misserved they are by Britain's democratic deficit and begs the question, "How can things meaningfully improve for us without independence?" What the gently caress planet are you living on? 1) A vote for the status quo is by definition not a leap in the dark because we know what the status quo is. Nor was that status quo untenable in the mind of anyone other than the most frothing nationalists. 2) If you were really capable of making the "astute observation" that Tory England would vote us out of the EU then you were the only one. The bookies didn't believe it would be a Leave result, the city didn't believe it, even the people who were campaigning for it didn't believe it. Nigel Farage thought he was going to be defeated half an hour after the polls closed. 3) The failure of the SNP to decisively affect a UK General Election despite overwhelming Scottish support has gently caress all to do with the FPTP system and everything to do with the fact that they stand in less than 10% of the constituencies and are voted for by less than 10% of the electorate.
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Jul 4, 2016 00:57
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Jedit posted:What the gently caress planet are you living on? Are we even sure he's living on a planet to begin with? Jedit posted:1) A vote for the status quo is by definition not a leap in the dark because we know what the status quo is. Nor was that status quo untenable in the mind of anyone other than the most frothing nationalists. Speaking of, does right now count as the status quo anymore? From my view the status quo has been rocked and smashed by the EU referendum so we are preety much in the dark for both sides at this current moment. Jedit posted:2) If you were really capable of making the "astute observation" that Tory England would vote us out of the EU then you were the only one. The bookies didn't believe it would be a Leave result, the city didn't believe it, even the people who were campaigning for it didn't believe it. Nigel Farage thought he was going to be defeated half an hour after the polls closed. "astute observation" being "I completely just lied my rear end about it being a Tory Government and EU-Exit."
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Jul 4, 2016 02:59
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Jedit posted:What the gently caress planet are you living on? It was untenable enough for 45% of the Jedit posted:2) If you were really capable of making the "astute observation" that Tory England would vote us out of the EU then you were the only one. The bookies didn't believe it would be a Leave result, the city didn't believe it, even the people who were campaigning for it didn't believe it. Nigel Farage thought he was going to be defeated half an hour after the polls closed. I disagree with my honourable friend Tom about the Brexit being a predictable result. However, it is quite believable that staying within the United Kingdom would result in major conflicts of interest between the people of Scotland and rest of the UK, especially with the election results of the past decade. Jedit posted:3) The failure of the SNP to decisively affect a UK General Election despite overwhelming Scottish support has gently caress all to do with the FPTP system and everything to do with the fact that they stand in less than 10% of the constituencies and are voted for by less than 10% of the electorate. Yes and who exactly decides on these constituencies?
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Jul 4, 2016 05:38
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I don't think constituency boundaries are to blame for the SNP not contesting seats outside of Scotland.
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Jul 4, 2016 06:55
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Scotland has 8.2% of the country's voters and 9.1% of the seats in the UK parliament. It also has 100% of the seats in it's own parliament, which has more powers than the Welsh or Northern Irish. Scottish voters are the most empowered in the country - per capita. If you want more influence, breed more.
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Jul 4, 2016 07:08
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Speaking as a Welsh person, it's always funny seeing Scots complaining that they don't have enough power. Though perhaps we shouldn't have any more power based on the EU referendum results.
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Jul 4, 2016 07:38
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Baron Corbyn posted:Speaking as a Welsh person, it's always funny seeing Scots complaining that they don't have enough power. Though perhaps we shouldn't have any more power based on the EU referendum results. The Welsh assembly should have more power, but you only ever get anything when you threaten to leave so probably vote Plaid next time.
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Jul 4, 2016 08:10
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Extreme0 posted:We are going to get a repeat of 2012-2014 again aren't we. In terms of the thread, yes, it appears so.
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Jul 4, 2016 08:48
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http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independent-scotland-would-only-need-8343623#OOlbcLYyQfoI6Hgl.97 Quite amusing that the Daily Record is actually downplaying the difficulties that a Indy Scotland would face in a way. Angepain posted:In terms of the thread, yes, it appears so. It's not till Pissflaps comes in and pisses everywhere to mark his territory again.
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Jul 4, 2016 12:53
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Don't invite him.
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Jul 4, 2016 13:01
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Lady Galaga posted:It was untenable enough for 45% of the voting population to decide that a leap in the dark was worth it. lmaoboy1998 posted:Scotland has 8.2% of the country's voters and 9.1% of the seats in the UK parliament. It also has 100% of the seats in it's own parliament, which has more powers than the Welsh or Northern Irish. Extreme0 posted:Speaking of, does right now count as the status quo anymore? From my view the status quo has been rocked and smashed by the EU referendum so we are preety much in the dark for both sides at this current moment. It's interesting times now, many of the bad things experts predicted if independence happened such as the stock marking tanking, Scottish finance sector taking a hammering , falling into recession are coming to pass anyway. Also the total political carnage down south makes it very hard to predict what things will look like in 5 or ten years.
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Jul 4, 2016 19:38
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Political panel to discuss Scottish future after Brexit vote First Scots prosecution over failure to protect tenants' deposits expected to lead to more quote:SCOTS landlords face court action over failing to protect tenants' deposits after a North Ayrshire letting agent became the first in Scotland to be prosecuted for breaching rules. quote:After the Tenancy Deposit Schemes (Scotland) Regulations 2011 came into play, landlords and letting agents had until May, 2013, to lodge all deposits, It was hoped an initiative to bring in three government approved schemes to protect deposits four years ago - free for landlords and letting agents - would prevent agents holding on to money on false grounds. quote:The council said that now there is a "legal precedent, establishing criminal liability under Trading Standards legislation" work can be continued throughout Scotland over deposits not held in a regulated Tenancy Deposit Scheme. quote:“Legislation has been passed to stop landlords not securing deposits. The use of consumer protection legislation now requires letting agents to ensure they place their clients deposits in a secure scheme. Our trading standards team deserve huge credit for getting this to court." quote:After October 2, 2013, landlords were required by law to hand over all new deposits within 30 working days of a tenancy starting. Shame that it isn't higher but at least something's been done...slowly. jre posted:It's interesting times now, many of the bad things experts predicted if independence happened such as the stock marking tanking, Scottish finance sector taking a hammering , falling into recession are coming to pass anyway. Also the total political carnage down south makes it very hard to predict what things will look like in 5 or ten years. The problem I'm experincing is the UKIP vote gaining a lot more in constituencies that voted leave a lot. If they get the SNP effect then we are all hosed.
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Jul 4, 2016 19:50
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Extreme0 posted:The problem I'm experincing is the UKIP vote gaining a lot more in constituencies that voted leave a lot. If they get the SNP effect then we are all hosed.  In happier news http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36686461
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Jul 4, 2016 19:58
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jre posted:In happier news quote:Recompense: I don't know much about usual asking rates for football mascots, but none of these seem to involve actually being paid money, which seems a bit disappointing.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:04
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jre posted:
Someone must take this job and sponsor Something Awful.
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Jul 4, 2016 20:04
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Angepain posted:I don't know much about usual asking rates for football mascots, but none of these seem to involve actually being paid money, which seems a bit disappointing. Season ticket is worth at least £300
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Jul 4, 2016 20:09
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jre posted:Season ticket is worth at least £300 can't really feed yourself with a ticket to the football though, is my point. mascots of the world, unite
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Jul 4, 2016 20:14
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Extreme0 posted:Political panel to discuss Scottish future after Brexit vote I left Scotland to move to aus before I needed to move out of my parents place, so I never got to experience that but it surprises me that landlords keep the deposit money in Scotland. In Australia, all deposits are lodged with a government agency and only released if both parties agree to a distribution of funds between the parties. Any disagreement goes through VCAT, which is a separate government department to sort out the disagreement. I thought that was how it was done everywhere. Otoh, Australia basically runs concentration camps, so it's not all good 
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Jul 5, 2016 07:43
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tithin posted:I left Scotland to move to aus before I needed to move out of my parents place, so I never got to experience that but it surprises me that landlords keep the deposit money in Scotland. In Australia, all deposits are lodged with a government agency and only released if both parties agree to a distribution of funds between the parties. As the article says, that's how it's meant to work in the UK now too.The letting agency was fined for not doing so. My experience has been that this is still somewhat common practice, especially among student letting agencies - I lost a deposit that wasn't protected myself, but it was a relatively small amount and given that I'd moved to another part of the country I didn't want the hassle of taking them to court over it. I imagine they get away with it a lot for exactly that reason.
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Jul 5, 2016 12:35
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Has anybody in this thread ordered this watch?
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Jul 5, 2016 14:59
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Pissflaps posted:Has anybody in this thread ordered this watch? yeah
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Jul 5, 2016 15:02
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Pissflaps posted:Has anybody in this thread ordered this watch? Do I get a "Make America Great Again" cap too, if I order it?
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Jul 5, 2016 15:09
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BRAVE PROUD ADJECTIVE
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Jul 5, 2016 15:13
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Sion posted:BRAVE BRAVE PROUD PERSONALISED Also it appears there are only 4,999 True Scotsmen. Order now to avoid missing out!
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Jul 5, 2016 15:21
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The watch automatically sets itself to
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Jul 5, 2016 15:35
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Anyone who orders one will be added to a watch list.
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Jul 5, 2016 15:41
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PiCroft posted:Anyone who orders one will be added to a watch list. 
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Jul 5, 2016 15:43
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I mean it's not like British nationalists have better tat. I want a 3 foot tall nazi saluting queen in my front garden.
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Jul 5, 2016 15:47
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OwlFancier posted:I mean it's not like British nationalists have better tat. Is there some way I can combine the two and get a timepiece with a gnomon?
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Jul 5, 2016 16:05
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Rampant Lion isn't even red! Fake stupid watch.PiCroft posted:Anyone who orders one will be added to a watch list. 
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