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Double Bill posted:Win/loss determines whether you rank goes up or down, presumably individual performance determines by how much but I've yet to see conclusive evidence of that. Also a loss drops your rank way more than a win raises it. poo poo's hosed. Huh, same model as Splatoon.
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That competitive ranking process was around the worst. I think out of the ten matches, I got two groups that featured people were like "hey let's group up and go for the objective." And those weren't even the match I won, that one I just happened to be on the right side of two deathmatch squads and pretty much got to hang out in the objectives unbothered.
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Oh my goodness, some guy in solo-que competitive just told me that he hoped I got cancer. 
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Double Bill posted:Win/loss determines whether you rank goes up or down, presumably individual performance determines by how much but I've yet to see conclusive evidence of that. Also a loss drops your rank way more than a win raises it. poo poo's hosed. That's probably just observational bias. You remember huge losses and tiny gains more than small losses and huge gains (because you totally earned those). Check your competitive statistics. Mine is 29/63 won and I'm 2 levels lower than in beginning. Checks out.
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pippy posted:Must have killed yourself too. :P I didn't that's the strange thing 
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adhuin posted:That's probably just observational bias. You remember huge losses and tiny gains more than small losses and huge gains (because you totally earned those). I'm at 47% win rate and I've dropped 4 points.
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but apparently Soldier 76's gun recoil (or reticle bloom, more accurately) is linked to client side framerate and therefore by using a mouse macro at high framerates you can effectively fire in full-auto mode with zero recoil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXydfeSofY Full discussion on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/4r54e9/dear_blizzard_soldier_76s_gun_is_broken_due_to/ Apparently this "hack" has been known for a while, and in hindsight I've definitely been killed by Soldiers exploiting this (and probably you have too). Kind of an odd one to get wrong considering we've already had two decades of shooters to teach us "never trust the client".
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i feel like this could've been avoided by adding a timer to dad gun's spread reset, so if someone uses a macro to fire individual shots/short bursts with almost no downtime beween them the spread would stay and continue to increase though im not gonna act like my backseat game design is true and correct there's probably a reason why they didn't do it RottenK fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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NoDamage posted:Not sure if this has been posted yet, but apparently Soldier 76's gun recoil (or reticle bloom, more accurately) is linked to client side framerate and therefore by using a mouse macro at high framerates you can effectively fire in full-auto mode with zero recoil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXydfeSofY interested to see if seagull's 76 still has godlike aim during full auto bursts after this gets patched. People in his chat asked him if he was tapping to aim or something and he said "76 gets 4 shots that are accurate, just try to hit the 4 shots" while he was clearly going like full auto all the time and hitting all his shots. I knew about tap aiming and tried it a bit but gently caress getting carpal tunnel.
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That explains a lot. I play a lot of 76 and I feel like I have pretty good aim, but I never can pull off the damage I've seen others do. I just thought was unlucky.
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The game just resets your recoil every time you let off the fire button, so just hold for 3-4 shots, left and immediately press for another 3-4 shots. The only thing that a macro is going to do is help with the minor aiming difficult you likely will have clicking your mouse button rather than holding it down (which for most people is likely substantial). Seems like that guy's analysis is over complicating things? I've been hold/release/holding 76's gun since day one.
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RottenK posted:i feel like this could've been avoided by adding a timer to dad gun's spread reset, so if someone uses a macro to fire individual shots/short bursts with almost no downtime beween them the spread would stay and continue to increase It's the fast and lazy way to do it. It's kinda only okay on consoles, where you know what framerate your getting but you'd have to be pretty dumb to do it on PC where the specs vary so wildly.
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Anyone else swap mei m1 and m2? I find it so much easier to aim the projectile with the standard left click
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Essobie posted:The game just resets your recoil every time you let off the fire button, so just hold for 3-4 shots, left and immediately press for another 3-4 shots. The only thing that a macro is going to do is help with the minor aiming difficult you likely will have clicking your mouse button rather than holding it down (which for most people is likely substantial). Seems like that guy's analysis is over complicating things? I've been hold/release/holding 76's gun since day one. The issue the OP is bringing up is that the tap is tied to framerate, so with a high framerate and a macro you can set that tap time to ostensibly be less than manually possible.
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flashman posted:Anyone else swap mei m1 and m2? I find it so much easier to aim the projectile with the standard left click This sounds like the perfect excuse for me to play more Mei.
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Papercut posted:The issue the OP is bringing up is that the tap is tied to framerate, so with a high framerate and a macro you can set that tap time to ostensibly be less than manually possible. I'm kinda surprised they left tapping in the game at all since it seems like they otherwise went to pains to eliminate execution barriers. Why not set hard time limits on recoil and add a burst mode so people can hold M1 and get perfectly accurate bursts?
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Papercut posted:The issue the OP is bringing up is that the tap is tied to framerate, so with a high framerate and a macro you can set that tap time to ostensibly be less than manually possible. Yeah, but it is quite possible to let off and reclick faster than the time window between two shots. The macro shouldn't be tapping for you, it should be releasing then pressing/holding for you, and only after 3 shots or so. Framerate seems irrelevant. Or maybe I'm just spoiled now that I have a system that can put me at 200+Hz.
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I really need blizzard to come out soon and ban these loving leavers from comp play. It's insane how many leavers there are.
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Easy Mac posted:I really need blizzard to come out soon and ban these loving leavers from comp play. It's insane how many leavers there are. Need a three-strikes penalty for this kind of thing. First is a warning. Second is an XP/point and/or rating penalty. Third strike is a competitive ban for the season.
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icantfindaname posted:I dont care enough about this game to do the competitive mode poo poo but from what I'm reading the ranks are literally based purely on win/loss? Is that for real. Lol blizzard they aren't, people just make staggeringly dumb assumptions about how matchmaking works (exacerbated by Blizzard not explaining it except very generally) e: let me clarify; your win/loss percentage, as a statistic, does not determine your rank and is not used in matchmaking, this is good MMR only increases on a win and only decreases on a loss, this is also good the amount your MMR increases or decreases depends on how "well" you did in-game based on various statistics and this is, at best, unnecessary, and at worst actively distorts MMR but lol that's Blizzard for you Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Essobie posted:Yeah, but it is quite possible to let off and reclick faster than the time window between two shots. The macro shouldn't be tapping for you, it should be releasing then pressing/holding for you, and only after 3 shots or so. Framerate seems irrelevant. I guess that brings up the additional question of whether tapping fast enough lets you fire faster than the auto speed.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:they aren't, people just make staggeringly dumb assumptions about how matchmaking works (exacerbated by Blizzard not explaining it except very generally) I don't understand what's going on with competitive rank. I'd assume it's balanced so that the average rank is 50 and that half of all players are above that, but nobody from this thread and only 2/8 of my ranked friends are above 50 in rank. MasterOverwatch claims that the 50% above 50 thing is true, though, so is it just that we're all bad? Are there a bunch of people lurking in this thread who are secretly good and just never speak up? Is the top half of Ranked populated exclusively by people who played the beta a ton? I do think it's pretty annoying that so many people are set up to backslide upon placement, though. They should really seed you maybe five to ten ranks under what they expect you to settle into so that you don't just immediately hit a poo poo wall when you start. I ranked in with 49, managed to hold at 47 for a while, then had an awful 8 game losing streak of offensive Torbs and dropped matches that dunked me down to 44ish where I'm currently hovering. Looking at that 'season high score!' and knowing that odds are good I'll leave the season with it is pretty depressing.
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I have seen a good number of people in this thread and forum saying they are higher and lower than 50 rank (upwards of 65 I think I've seen). Obviously most people are going to be very close to 50 in here and I think it's just confirmation bias on your part.
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NoDamage posted:Not sure if this has been posted yet, but apparently Soldier 76's gun recoil (or reticle bloom, more accurately) is linked to client side framerate and therefore by using a mouse macro at high framerates you can effectively fire in full-auto mode with zero recoil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqXydfeSofY Wow, this needs to be hotfixed.
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I solo queued and ended up at rank 53 despite going 5-5 and having some of those wins be on KOTH. I've probably lost 80% of the competitive games since. I think the problem is partly observational. We go solo queue, run into a couple of pre-mades, drop rank due to the KOTH bug and then it looks to us like everyone is hovering around rank 45-49. The truth is if everyone goes up one rank for winning and down one rank for losing, then the average will be about 50, depending on where everyone is "placed" after their first 10 matches. Because of the KOTH bug, the average will probably be slightly less than 50 for this season. But since you only match up with people in your range, you'll probably see mostly sub-50s. Also since the game is so heavily team-oriented, I think only people in pre-mades will stay in the 60s. Even if I was a grade-A pubstomper like in TF2, I don't think it is possible to carry a team against people who are coordinating over coms. But that is a good thing!
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Double Bill posted:Also a loss drops your rank way more than a win raises it. poo poo's hosed. This isn't true. In fact, it's mathematically not possible. Since every win for one player is a loss for another, the total number of wins and losses happening across the playerbase is equal. This means that if your rank ALWAYS dropped more for a loss than it increased for a win, the average player's skill rating would be steadily getting lower. That's not what's happening. The actual distribution is a symmetrical bell curve centered neatly at 50, and the only way for this to be possible is for net reductions and net gains among the playerbase to be equal overall. For every player that's seeing nothing but big drops and tiny gains, there is also a player out there seeing big gains and tiny drops. But most players will be seeing changes of various sizes in both directions, especially those who are near the middle of the curve. Slowpoke! posted:Because of the KOTH bug, the average will probably be slightly less than 50 for this season. Kaplan said that bug was zero sum-- it limited rank increases, but it also limited decreases at the same time. Supercar Gautier fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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A system that actively punishes people for helping their teammates lmao.
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Then it's just an observational bias. We are all baddies posting in the non-tryhard Overwatch thread. There is probably a tryhard thread out there where everyone is wondering where all the level 40 posters are and complaining about rank inflation.
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Supercar Gautier posted:Kaplan said that bug was zero sum-- it limited rank increases, but it also limited decreases at the same time. Overall that's true, but if you were unlucky enough to have most of your wins be KOTH and most of your losses not, then it certainly wasn't zero sum. Or even aside from luck, if you're just better at KOTH than other modes. Although now that it's fixed, that loss of rank should correct itself pretty quickly.
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Papercut posted:Overall that's true, but if you were unlucky enough to have most of your wins be KOTH and most of your losses not, then it certainly wasn't zero sum. Or even aside from luck, if you're just better at KOTH than other modes. Although now that it's fixed, that loss of rank should correct itself pretty quickly. Well, it would still be zero-sum from overall ranking perspective. Not from your perspective though, which is a problem since people only care about themselves and don't give a poo poo about whether the global 50/50 average is maintained.
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I went 6-4 in placement matches, 8 of them solo queued. Three of the losses were because someone quit during the first round. I got placed at rank 51. Is that about right? I have no idea what the context is for a rank - like is 50 supposed to be average? Literally just discussed on this page so I'm a dumbass...but anyway. Re: Soldier 76, I've been trying the tap shooting for a while now and it seems to work out pretty well. It's perfect for mid and mid-long engagements where you're just trying to put some damage down, not necessarily 1v1 them. torb main fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:they aren't, people just make staggeringly dumb assumptions about how matchmaking works (exacerbated by Blizzard not explaining it except very generally) Yeah, I went 7-3 in my placements and had some pretty good performances in there, racking up a ton of medals. I was placed at 58 (and am at 59 now). A friend of mine queued with the rest of our group yesterday and did his 10 placements, went 9-1, and was placed at 51. He has just average games most of the time. So definitely not just wins and losses.
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Went 7-3, placed 52. All 3 losses were to double reaper.
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FranktheBank posted:Went 7-3, placed 52. What is the appropriate response to double Reaper? I had okay success going junkrat against this yesterday but it still felt harder than it should have.
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Macaluso posted:The team balance suggestions really need to be changed. No sniper and no builder is worthless. We don't NEED either of those, and most of the time the snipers are useless anyway. I also think the no tank suggestion isn't that helpful either. You probably want a tank, but there's plenty of situations where you don't. I think "low team damage" is a much better suggestion than the "few defense" or "few offense" suggestions. I think the only suggestion that is 100% important is the "no support" suggestion, but of course that's hindered by Symmetra being on support instead of defense for some insane reason The suggestions are poo poo because it'll say low damage if you have roadhog and junkrat. I'd rather deal with randoms playing them, then using widowmaker on attack.
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Combo posted:Yeah, I went 7-3 in my placements and had some pretty good performances in there, racking up a ton of medals. I was placed at 58 (and am at 59 now).
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Mcree is a solid anti Reaper character. Mei is 50/50 on who uses their ice wall/wraith form first.
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Some science for people. One leaver loss on top of what was shown here. We got stomped first and last game. The other loss was close. I solo queued Lucio the entire time too. Medal Counts for my games. 15 gold medals 2 silver medals 9 bronze medals 
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I think I am ready to join the 'tism Prism. I think it's possible the enemy team was drunk here, especially the Genji at the end: https://gfycat.com/DishonestRemoteJavalina This one was just satisfying as all hell. Even the Ninja brothers are not stronger than an insane lady with a laser chainsaw when they meet up in a back alley. Also demonstrates why it's always important to poop a turret before turning a blind corner. https://gfycat.com/ImpoliteBowedBluebreastedkookaburra
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Papercut posted:What is the appropriate response to double Reaper? I had okay success going junkrat against this yesterday but it still felt harder than it should have. I asked this earlier in the thread. No answers. Someone said mccree, so i guess ill try that.
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