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labour MPs wont stop bitching and moaning and backstabbing, now whinge "why wont he try to unify us it's not faiiiiiirr"
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OldMemes posted:It's getting embrassing now. It sure is OldMemes
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I wish i could call the plp bastard morons to their mewling faces instead of having to respond to low quality trolls on a dead gay Internet forum
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baka kaba posted:It sure is OldMemes Well if Corbyn doesn't go, what is the endgame? Does Corbyn go into a cacoon and merge as a leader? Or does he stay a protestor, stay wishy washy, ignore the non-momentum part of the party, the floating voeters, the traditional Labour base etc, and lose the election.
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hes actually already a leader, you can tell because he was overwhelmingly voted to the position of leader and it says leader under his name on the news
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OldMemes posted:Well if Corbyn doesn't go, what is the endgame? Train nationalisation in the Labour manifesto. Landslide Tory government. Everyone in this thread proclaims Corbin a huge success for changing the political landscape.
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I think Corbyn should mandate a Bring Your Cat To Work day
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I haven't got a cat.
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OldMemes posted:Well if Corbyn doesn't go, what is the endgame? Does Corbyn go into a cacoon and merge as a leader? Or does he stay a protestor, stay wishy washy, ignore the non-momentum part of the party, the floating voeters, the traditional Labour base etc, and lose the election. The voters are running because of the PLP clusterfuck, not because of Corbyn. The cry of "he's unelectable!!!" from the Blairites is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If they shut up and weren't backstabbing fucks they might have actually had a chance.
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Oberleutnant posted:I haven't got a cat. El Gato is everyone's cat, in solidarity
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OldMemes posted:Well if Corbyn doesn't go, what is the endgame? Does Corbyn go into a cacoon and merge as a leader? Or does he stay a protestor, stay wishy washy, ignore the non-momentum part of the party, the floating voeters, the traditional Labour base etc, and lose the election. Having an actual, high-profile, left-wing voice in British politics, consistently banging on about re-nationalization, rights, etc. for several years on the national stage is a worthwhile thing. What's the other alternative? Labour chooses some indistinguishable arsehole, fails to win over Tory voters yet again etc etc forever.
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The trains do badly need nationalising though.
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Pissflaps posted:Train nationalisation in the Labour manifesto. Landslide Tory government. Everyone in this thread proclaims Corbin a huge success for changing the political landscape. couldn't you have picked an actually divisive issue than one the majority of the country is behind? https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/nationalise-energy-and-rail-companies-say-public/
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dex_sda posted:The voters are running because of the PLP clusterfuck, not because of Corbyn. Jherembe's rock bottom approval ratings and inability to improve Labour's polling throughout his leadership suggest this is a figleaf argument not grounded in reality.
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brian posted:couldn't you have picked an actually divisive issue than one the majority of the country is behind? https://yougov.co.uk/news/2013/11/04/nationalise-energy-and-rail-companies-say-public/ The Tory landslide isn't because train nationalisation is in the Labour manifesto.
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I just watched that Chuka Umunna video and jfc why would he upload that to his own channel? Does he lack self-awareness to the point where he thought he looked good? He somehow managed to look like the bigger idiot questioning a man who seems physically incapable of not mentioning Adolf Hitler on the subject of anti-Semitism. Like he started listing incidents where Livingstone compared individual Jewish people to Nazis and I thought he was gearing up to make a decent point of whether or not Ken thought those were the best analogies to use considering the context and how likely you are to offend people by doing that, but instead he asks if Ken would say that about black people, and insists on a yes or no answer. Not a black person, where the analogy would be less likely to cause the same offence anyone, but black people. Like was he asking if Ken would say the entire black population are Nazis? And he has to be told to shut up by Keith Vaz because he keeps insisting on a yes or no answer to his ridiculous question. And this is the man the Blairites wanted to lead the party. If you can't win a debate with Ken Livingstone about anti-Semitism, you should probably retire from politics honestly.
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Oberleutnant posted:I haven't got a cat. I aven't got a job. We should hang out, rob some pet shops.
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Carborundum posted:Having an actual, high-profile, left-wing voice in British politics, consistently banging on about re-nationalization, rights, etc. for several years on the national stage is a worthwhile thing. What's the other alternative? Labour chooses some indistinguishable arsehole, fails to win over Tory voters yet again etc etc forever. This all over. Given the choice between fighting from the left and fighting from the centre (and I suspect that both options are about the same in terms of likelihood of success, the former probably a little more so) I'd far prefer to drag political discourse in this country leftwards rather than watch it inexorably march further right.
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Pissflaps posted:The Tory landslide isn't because train nationalisation is in the Labour manifesto. oh come on at least try to maintain an outwardly consistent belief in whatever it is you're pretending to believe so you can get us all good with the trolling
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dex_sda posted:The voters are running because of the PLP clusterfuck, not because of Corbyn. The cry of "he's unelectable!!!" from the Blairites is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If they shut up and weren't backstabbing fucks they might have actually had a chance. yep if they had let him fail on his own instead of undermining him constantly and fighting a running battle against their own membership they might have had more success convincing his supporters it was all his fault but they didn't, they kept tension high and deliberately made the party look disunited and it's not the sort of act of political genius that has me massively convinced by their leadership or judgement
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Hey, did you all hear the good news? Brexit might actually be unlawful for.... reasons (????) I keep forgetting how garbage Comment Is Free is.
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You can just blame everything on Blairites. Corbyn unpopular? Blairites. No free gift in the cereal box? Blairites. Rain washed out the cricket? Blairites. At some point Corbyn has to come out and defend his leadership himself, rather than having momentum blame the blairites hiding behind the door for everything. Yes, Blairites can be pretty bad, but Corbyn needs to justify, well Corbynims, rather than vague platitudes about how 'nice' and 'honest' he is. Maybe Corbyn is a secret Blairite. We have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes!
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dex_sda posted:The voters are running because of the PLP clusterfuck, not because of Corbyn. The cry of "he's unelectable!!!" from the Blairites is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If they shut up and weren't backstabbing fucks they might have actually had a chance. It's not a prophecy, it's a promise. They'll actively work to make it happen, and they've been hard at it Remember: Tony Blair says he wouldn’t want a left-wing Labour party to win an election quote:“Let me make my position clear: I wouldn’t want to win on an old-fashioned leftist platform. Even if I thought it was the route to victory, I wouldn’t take it.” Labour winning under Corbyn is a personal failure for them and the faction that put them into place. Their guaranteed career paths evaporating as the old order gives way. They're fighting for survival as well as 'tough decisions'
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Pissflaps posted:Jherembe's rock bottom approval ratings and inability to improve Labour's polling throughout his leadership suggest this is a figleaf argument not grounded in reality. Glad you deleted the part of the quote that addresses this point - the guy's been running into this bullshit for a year. Plus if he's so bad how come he would still win any leadership bid in a huge landslide?
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baka kaba posted:It's not a prophecy, it's a promise. They'll actively work to make it happen, and they've been hard at it Yes, this is pretty much what I mean.
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Pissflaps posted:The Tory landslide isn't because train nationalisation is in the Labour manifesto. Yeah, it's because the PLP decided to conclude a suicide pact due to petty anxiety. Your party politics is a loving joke mate.
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Friendly Humour posted:I aven't got a job. We should hang out, rob some pet shops. Sounds good, i'm in.
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I'd rather lose an election campaigning on renationalising the railways than lose one dog whistling to racists about "controls on immigration" tbh
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dex_sda posted:Glad you deleted the part of the quote that addresses this point - the guy's been running into this bullshit for a year. Plus if he's so bad how come he would still win any leadership bid in a huge landslide? Because winning the Labour leadership does not directly correlate with the ability to lead Labour or win a general election. He's the Boaty McBoatface of political appointees.
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dex_sda posted:Glad you deleted the part of the quote that addresses this point - the guy's been running into this bullshit for a year. Plus if he's so bad how come he would still win any leadership bid in a huge landslide? We had to destroy the party to save it.
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XMNN posted:I'd rather lose an election campaigning on renationalising the railways than
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Hey, did you all hear the good news? Brexit might actually be unlawful for.... reasons (????)  At least we can take comfort in the knowledge that during the great purge Guardian HQ will be the first rounded up and sent to the camps.
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Pissflaps posted:He's the Boaty McBoatface of political appointees.
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Pissflaps posted:Because winning the Labour leadership does not directly correlate with the ability to lead Labour or win a general election. If the leader doesn't have the mandate of his party, what's the point of a party even existing? It should be people united under a similar idea, not a carefully calculated winning bid. Ideally it would be people united under a similar idea who have a chance of winning, but Corbyn is not the guy to blame for that not being the case with Labour. His leadership is right now one of the most ironclad thing in British politics.
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dex_sda posted:If the leader doesn't have the mandate of his party, what's the point of a party even existing? I don't want Labour to have a leader that doesn't have a mandate.
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Kegluneq posted:David Attenborough is Flaps' choice to be the new Labour leader, you heard it here first! The man or the undemocratically named ship? oh that's literally the joke, loving missed posts on this phone.
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Pissflaps posted:I don't want Labour to have a leader that doesn't have a mandate. How do you reconcile that with the fact that you want the only person who can currently reasonably claim to have a mandate to resign?
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Pissflaps posted:I don't want Labour to have a leader that doesn't have a mandate. So, who do you think labour should pick to lead them that would have a mandate, have the support of the party and be capable of winning the general election?
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Did they do a May/Leadsom head to head? The way the Tories elect their leaders this doesn't really mean all that much.
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