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Subjunctive posted:What proportion of the TPS participants were queer, or genuine allies? Essentially all in the float minus the high level executive officers. You volunteer your time to be on the float. You are either queer or very pro queer. Hard to say if all the high ranking ones are genuine because they have to show up regardless. The rank and file guys on the float arent getting paid, so Id imagine they just want to be there to support the community.
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zapplez posted:Essentially all in the float minus the high level executive officers. You volunteer your time to be on the float. You are either queer or very pro queer. Hard to say if all the high ranking ones are genuine because they have to show up regardless. The rank and file guys on the float arent getting paid, so Id imagine they just want to be there to support the community. Good job BLM-TO. Maybe they should embezzle or extort some more money over this.
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# ? Jul 4, 2016 21:53 |
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Liberals quietly breaking promises on TFWPquote:On July 1, the cap on the number of low-wage temporary foreign workers a company can hire was set to be reduced to 10 per cent of the company’s workforce. Instead, the cap will stay where it is at 20 per cent. Now that's #RealChange
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http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/04/pride-toronto-now-owe-police-an-apology lol cops are such loving histrionic babies
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THC posted:Liberals quietly breaking promises on TFWP
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Ambrose Burnside posted:http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/04/pride-toronto-now-owe-police-an-apology I know right? Like I try to imagine being the rank and file average guy in uniform, he can't be thinking, 'Yeah this is good. We do deserve an apology!" I'd be embarrassed to have my union running around like this.
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Gonna need those TFWs to help the airports' bottom line. quote:Could a “For Sale” sign soon be going up at Pearson International Airport?
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# ? Jul 4, 2016 22:28 |
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Oh my god the Liberals are literal garbage.
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# ? Jul 4, 2016 22:33 |
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Don't worry, guys. The Liberals won't sell off our airports; they'll just give them to private corporations on 999-year leases.
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# ? Jul 4, 2016 22:36 |
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Just sell them to the CPP and be done with it.
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OSI bean dip posted:Don't worry, guys. The Liberals won't sell off our airports; they'll just give them to ftfy
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Pearson is literally worse than the worst airport I've ever been to in my life in khartoum
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Helsing posted:It's a major public event for which they shut down parts of the city and it's attended by everyone from local City Councillors up to the Prime Minister. This isn't about "cishest people want[ing] to have their voices heard", it's a question of who is apparently allowed to have legitimate opinions on how a public event is run. There is absolutely no sense in which a parade put on by a marginalised group to celebrate their successes and uniqueness and advocate for themselves is even a little bit like a government passing legislation to take away rights, come on. quote:Let's try to imagine a slightly different scenario where Toronto's Jewish population has a huge parade which shuts down the city and draws huge amounts of national and international attention. If the Jewish organizers of the event decided to make pro-Israeli political viewpoints a prominent part of the parade then am I not allowed, as a gentile, to have an opinion on this? A group is using the public space of my city to spread a particular message. I'm not saying I should get to control what they do but isn't my existence as a citizen of Toronto already enough for me to have a legitimate opinion on how my city's public spaces are used? quote:I think people should be allowed to organize politically based around their cultural or sexual or ethnic identity. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's nothing wrong with the idea that the Pride Parade should be organized and managed by the Queer community. I hope that this isn't controversial. I mean, straight people get to have an opinion, I guess. We just get to treat those opinions as unwelcome and ignore them. This is a debate that needs to happen within the queer community, having people from outside concern-trolling about the optics or chiming in about how really, in a sense, aren't the black the real homophobes isn't helpful. quote:Honest question: do you really not see how your statements could be interpreted as a supremely anti-political position which would seem to strip civic events of any sense of true "publicness" (for lack of a better term)? It would be nice if we could at least understand each other's positions, I really hate how quickly debates on this topic can become acrimonious and bitter. No, I literally do not understand why straight people care about how we run our parade. It has no public policy implications beyond Toronto traffic getting disturbed for a day. If you're going to care this much about the internal decisions of a event using public space, I'd rather you concentrate your efforts on, I don't know, the choice of bib colours for the marathon. I'm sure GoodLife is looking forward to your input.
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# ? Jul 4, 2016 22:42 |
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Canadians are loving stupid. They'd rather get reamed by private corporations than pay $1 extra income tax to keep public assets from being sold off.
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# ? Jul 4, 2016 22:50 |
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I literally can't understand why something that uses public funds and public facilities would be opined on by people, because I'm literally stupid
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EvilJoven posted:Oh my god the Liberals are literal garbage. it's easy to understand why this'll get a pass, along with all the other totally unpredictable poo poo the libs are gonna get up to now that they're back with a majority, because the general public are like: Do it ironically posted:I'm literally stupid
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Frosted Flake posted:I'm sure there's already a dismissive term for bisexuals currently in heterosexual relationships.
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Muskoka chair outrage from white people who didn't go to Pride.
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# ? Jul 4, 2016 23:17 |
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Pinterest Mom posted:There is absolutely no sense in which a parade put on by a marginalised group to celebrate their successes and uniqueness and advocate for themselves is even a little bit like a government passing legislation to take away rights, come on. I also gave the example of a Jewish group spreading a strongly pro-Israel message at a public parade, if you'd prefer to respond to that example. quote:You're allowed to have an opinion. The parade organisers would be 100% right in not giving a poo poo about it. It's their parade, not yours. And do remember that the right to demonstrate and assemble is protected by the Charter. I don't want to bring my own sexual proclivities into this discussion but you shouldn't be assuming I'm heterosexual. You've put me in a position where I either implicitly accept your framing or I have to start describing my personal experiences and identifications just so that I'm allowed to even participate in this debate. You've created this artificial binary that completely freezes out anyone who might be somewhat ambiguous or unsure or simply uncomfortable discussing their own sexuality. That doesn't seem like a step toward inclusiveness. quote:No, I literally do not understand why straight people care about how we run our parade. It has no public policy implications beyond Toronto traffic getting disturbed for a day. If you're going to care this much about the internal decisions of a event using public space, I'd rather you concentrate your efforts on, I don't know, the choice of bib colours for the marathon. I'm sure GoodLife is looking forward to your input. Of course it has more implication than the colours chosen for the marathon. For a seemingly bright policy oriented guy you sure are loving naive sometimes. Do you really not see how Pride Parade narrates a particular vision of Canada as a multicultural, tolerant and inclusive society? Are you seriously suggesting there's no political significance to who gets included or not included in Pride? I have to assume you're being disingenuous here because your other posts demonstrate a level of political sophistication and understanding that means you are definitely equipped to understand that there is in fact a difference. For all your claims to the contrary, the fact that you see no significant difference between a public political event and the decoration scheme chosen by a hotel chain corresponds quite nicely with Thatcherite libertarianism: there is no society, there is no meaningful public conversation to be had, there's no room for input from citizens in their role as citizens, there are only private events run by private individuals who should be free to run those events however their local community sees fit, and any attempt to connect these events to any overarching politics is seen as unwelcome meddling. Let's refer to a previous statement you made which seems to acknowledge what I'm saying: Pinterest Mom posted:Keep radical politics out of Pride, that's what I always say. You can't simultaneously being saying Pride is a venue for radical politics but also that it's just another private event that happens to occur in public, no different than a corporate sponsored marathon. You don't have to accept the opinions of people outside the community but given the social significance that Pride has assumed in recent years you don't get to shut people's criticism down so flippantly. This has come up before: the question of whether this or that not-quite-mainstream-enough group, be it the Leather Daddies or Queers Against Israeli Apartheid, should be allowed to march has been debated. Interested members of the community are allowed to have an opinion on whether a major public parade in their city is going to involve groups like that because there are social (and not just private) implications to either allowing or barring such a group from participation. And if somebody raises such concerns in good faith and you tell me "You're not allowed to have an opinion" then I think they'd be justified in telling you off.
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Pinterest Mom posted:You're allowed to have an opinion. The parade organisers would be 100% right in not giving a poo poo about it. It's their parade, not yours. And do remember that the right to demonstrate and assemble is protected by the Charter. Cool, then you're on my side when I say that Canadians' opinions about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or American police officers who use excessive force against black Americans are unwelcome and easily dismissed unless said Canadians also have a passport with a large, creepy bald eagle staring at you on page 3. Right? It's amazing how many of the protests in front of the U.S. consulate in Toronto either a) are about something that does not directly involve the U.S. at all or b) consist mostly of foreigners (with respect to the U.S.) opining on U.S. internal affairs. I'm sure you understand that it's not really their place to have an opinion on such matters if they're not American. tagesschau fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Jul 4, 2016 |
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If this whole loving thread isn't a good reason to nuke Toronto I don't know what is
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Pinterest Mom posted:There is absolutely no sense in which a parade put on by a marginalised group to celebrate their successes and uniqueness and advocate for themselves is even a little bit like a government passing legislation to take away rights, come on. This is an intentional dodge. Pinterest Mom posted:No, I literally do not understand why straight people care about how we run our parade. It has no public policy implications beyond Toronto traffic getting disturbed for a day. If you're going to care this much about the internal decisions of a event using public space, I'd rather you concentrate your efforts on, I don't know, the choice of bib colours for the marathon. I'm sure GoodLife is looking forward to your input. Because the parade isn't exclusively a celebration, it's also a direct line of communication between a marginalized community to the greater community in Toronto. "We are here, this is who we are, we are your coworkers and neighbors and families." If this was behind closed doors then sure, do whatever you like, but this is an intentionally public event meant to communicate with the public, and of course the public is going to respond.
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tagesschau posted:Cool, then you're on my side when I say that Canadians' opinions about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or American police officers who use excessive force against black Americans are unwelcome and easily dismissed unless said Canadians also have a passport with a large, creepy bald eagle staring at you on page 3. Right? It also seems to raise the spectre of an infinite regress since, due to intersectionality, everyone ultimately has a positionality entirely unique to themselves. Any political discussion rests on some implicit assumptions about people having enough underlying similarities to be able to communicate with each other on the basis of some shared experience(s). There is a danger that my argument can be appropriated and used in bad faith by "concern trolls". But that's true of any argument. And this trend on the left or among liberals to redefine the rules of the debate so that all the contrary voices are inherently illegitimate and don't even need to be responded to just seems like a terrible misstep to me (though perhaps this is just my own form of naivety, since tribal politics seems to be on the norm in every other ideology).
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namaste faggots posted:If this whole loving thread isn't a good reason to nuke Toronto I don't know what is The usual characters in Ottawa activism circles are already excitedly tweeting about our pride parade later this summer.
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# ? Jul 4, 2016 23:36 |
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namaste faggots posted:Pearson is literally worse than the worst airport I've ever been to in my life in khartoum I guess working PRC intelligence takes you to some pretty crazy places huh.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 00:44 |
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lmao I'm not sure why the gently caress I thought D&D would be less subject to the usual brigade of snide straight people insisting that every queer person has to drop everything to heed and politely respond to their worthless uninformed opinions, but for some reason I did. At least the discussion was refreshingly sincere and constructive for a while there. I'll take what I can get, I guess. e: I mean, yes, there are a handful of legitimate and worthwhile points scattered here and there that we could possibly benefit from discussing, but I'm not gonna slog through paragraphs of smuggery from a guy willing to argue from the perspective of "I refuse to understand the difference between wanting to retain a degree of control over your own traditional public event and wanting to Silence All Cishets" to find them. Christ, even gunchat is better than this. Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 01:05 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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Angry Diplomat posted:Christ, even gunchat is better than this. Now you're projecting.
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Well, you live up to your name. Not much of a discussion if everyone else's opinion is immediately discounted.
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No seriously gun chat is better than this
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Angry Diplomat posted:Christ, even gunchat is better than this. Only gun owners are allowed to have an opinion on their traditional activities from now on though.
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Gun-chat is great. The hand-wringing worrying that an AR with a semi receiver and pinned magazines is the same as a machine gun is pretty funny. Maybe since the Tories went to Pride the Libs can go to the range instead of highlighting scary firearms in Guns & Ammo.
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Frosted Flake posted:Well, you live up to your name. I apologize for immediately discounting your opinion, whatever it was. Next time I'll spend less effort on trying to offer a queer perspective on queer issues; that should give me enough time to line-by-line a million willfully obtuse posts and make everyone feel important and clever. I appreciate your valuable feedback in this matter Ikantski posted:Only gun owners are allowed to have an opinion on their traditional activities from now on though. I get the point you're trying to make here but it would probably be more honest to use "frightened reactionaries who know nothing about guns and keep forgetting that they're used for hunting and pest control" as your point of comparison here, because that's probably a much closer analogue to the tedious fairweather ally hand-wringing these discussions always seem to bring out.
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Guy I lived in New College with, Fred Hahn, posted this: http://cupe.on.ca/pride-action-black-lives-matter-important-lgbtq-communities-fred-hahn/ quote:TORONTO, July 4, 2016 – Yesterday’s action by Black Lives Matter was important for the LGBTQ+ communities, says CUPE Ontario President Fred Hahn, one of Canada’s few openly gay union leaders and long-time resident of the Church and Wellesley neighbourhood. Fred (or Freddie as I knew him in 1987) is the real deal.
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Ugh, why does he want to exclude people. So exclusionary. Progressives are the real bigots. Stop it you guys this is killing the left.
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Coming in late, but congratulations to the LGBT community. You've become mostly so accepted in Canada that your events are the mainstream thing that others interrupt to get their message out. You've come a long way from having dimwittedness hillbillies and jackbooted cops interrupting them.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 01:28 |
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next time you gender studies majors are huddled around the kitchen stove in the deep of winter and starving, remember this thread
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Angry Diplomat posted:Man, at least put some effort into it. We had a pretty good dialogue going, so if we're gonna derail into shitpost hell, they should at least be pretty good shitposts. I was going to PM you but I guess I can't, so I'll leave it at a simple sorry.
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the trump tutelage posted:I was going to PM you but I guess I can't, so I'll leave it at a simple sorry. Alright, fair enough. We're cool
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namaste faggots posted:next time you gender studies majors are huddled around the kitchen stove in the deep of winter and starving, remember this thread https://youtu.be/9dgmp3KmwGg
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Ikantski posted:Gonna need those TFWs to help the airports' bottom line. OSI bean dip posted:Don't worry, guys. The Liberals won't sell off our airports; they'll just give them to private corporations on 999-year leases. Liberals sell off infrastructure, the Conservatives just hire SNC-Lavalin to operate and profit from it.
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