Subjunctive posted:

What proportion of the TPS participants were queer, or genuine allies?

zapplez posted:

Essentially all in the float minus the high level executive officers. You volunteer your time to be on the float. You are either queer or very pro queer. Hard to say if all the high ranking ones are genuine because they have to show up regardless. The rank and file guys on the float arent getting paid, so Id imagine they just want to be there to support the community.

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On July 1, the cap on the number of low-wage temporary foreign workers a company can hire was set to be reduced to 10 per cent of the company’s workforce. Instead, the cap will stay where it is at 20 per cent.

THC posted:

Liberals quietly breaking promises on TFWP


Now that's ‪#‎RealChange‬

Ambrose Burnside posted:

http://www.torontosun.com/2016/07/04/pride-toronto-now-owe-police-an-apology

lol cops are such loving histrionic babies

THC posted:

Liberals quietly breaking promises on TFWP

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Could a “For Sale” sign soon be going up at Pearson International Airport?

The federal government is looking at whether Canada’s major airports should be sold off to private investors as a way to raise tens of billions of dollars in new cash to fund other infrastructure projects.

Transport Canada bureaucrats are reviewing the ownership structure of Canadian airports, now operated by not-for-profit airport authorities, to assess the possibilities of transferring them to for-profit enterprises — and collect a windfall in the process.
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Asked about the review now underway, a Transport Canada spokesperson would only say that Transport Minister Marc Garneau is “leading an engagement process” to hear feedback on the review’s recommendations, including the “competitiveness of airports and the Canadian air sector.”

However, details of those consultations are still being worked out, the spokesperson said.

But two sources told Torstar that bureaucrats are under the gun to complete their review of options by August. There is speculation that their conclusions could help shape a potential mini-budget that could be rolled out this fall.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/07/03/ottawa-eyes-airport-sell-off-to-raise-infrastructure-cash.html

OSI bean dip posted:

Don't worry, guys. The Liberals won't sell off our airports; they'll just give them to private Chinese state-owned corporations on 999-year leases.

Helsing posted:

It's a major public event for which they shut down parts of the city and it's attended by everyone from local City Councillors up to the Prime Minister. This isn't about "cishest people want[ing] to have their voices heard", it's a question of who is apparently allowed to have legitimate opinions on how a public event is run.

I would propose a counter example: when Quebec proposed a charter of values that was widely seen as discriminating against Muslims then leaders from the rest of Canada were quick to condemn what they viewed as a form of racism. Would it really have been reasonable for Quebec to say "Who are you to judge our values charter? You're not Quebecois." To me it just seems like part of democracy is that people are going to have opinions on events of public significance.

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Let's try to imagine a slightly different scenario where Toronto's Jewish population has a huge parade which shuts down the city and draws huge amounts of national and international attention. If the Jewish organizers of the event decided to make pro-Israeli political viewpoints a prominent part of the parade then am I not allowed, as a gentile, to have an opinion on this? A group is using the public space of my city to spread a particular message. I'm not saying I should get to control what they do but isn't my existence as a citizen of Toronto already enough for me to have a legitimate opinion on how my city's public spaces are used?

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I think people should be allowed to organize politically based around their cultural or sexual or ethnic identity. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's nothing wrong with the idea that the Pride Parade should be organized and managed by the Queer community. I hope that this isn't controversial.

But the Pride Parade is a public event. It has political significance. It inevitably advances a certain set of interests. So it seems reasonable that people should be free to debate and discuss controversial questions like "should the police be represented at the Pride Parade"?

I think invoking positionality is a reasonable tactic within a debate, but it's not an excuse to avoid having the debate altogether. You can and should discuss the way that each persons' unique perspective will influence their beliefs. It's legitimate to argue that groups with systematically over looked beliefs should be given additional resources so that they can participate in public debate. But the idea that we can have public events where the majority of the public has no right to even form an opinion seems like a much more extreme position than you're willing to acknowledge.

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Honest question: do you really not see how your statements could be interpreted as a supremely anti-political position which would seem to strip civic events of any sense of true "publicness" (for lack of a better term)? It would be nice if we could at least understand each other's positions, I really hate how quickly debates on this topic can become acrimonious and bitter.

At the very least can you give me a sense of how you would balance between the priority to protect certain viewpoints and the necessity of having some kind of abstract space in which public policy issues can be discussed in a hopefully democratic fashion?

EvilJoven posted:

Oh my god the Liberals are literal garbage.

Do it ironically posted:

I'm literally stupid

Frosted Flake posted:

I'm sure there's already a dismissive term for bisexuals currently in heterosexual relationships.

Pinterest Mom posted:

There is absolutely no sense in which a parade put on by a marginalised group to celebrate their successes and uniqueness and advocate for themselves is even a little bit like a government passing legislation to take away rights, come on.

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You're allowed to have an opinion. The parade organisers would be 100% right in not giving a poo poo about it. It's their parade, not yours. And do remember that the right to demonstrate and assemble is protected by the Charter.

I mean, straight people get to have an opinion, I guess. We just get to treat those opinions as unwelcome and ignore them. This is a debate that needs to happen within the queer community, having people from outside concern-trolling about the optics or chiming in about how really, in a sense, aren't the black the real homophobes isn't helpful.

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No, I literally do not understand why straight people care about how we run our parade. It has no public policy implications beyond Toronto traffic getting disturbed for a day. If you're going to care this much about the internal decisions of a event using public space, I'd rather you concentrate your efforts on, I don't know, the choice of bib colours for the marathon. I'm sure GoodLife is looking forward to your input.

Pinterest Mom posted:

Keep radical politics out of Pride, that's what I always say.

Pinterest Mom posted:

You're allowed to have an opinion. The parade organisers would be 100% right in not giving a poo poo about it. It's their parade, not yours. And do remember that the right to demonstrate and assemble is protected by the Charter.

I mean, straight people get to have an opinion, I guess. We just get to treat those opinions as unwelcome and ignore them. This is a debate that needs to happen within the queer community, having people from outside concern-trolling about the optics or chiming in about how really, in a sense, aren't the black the real homophobes isn't helpful.

Pinterest Mom posted:

There is absolutely no sense in which a parade put on by a marginalised group to celebrate their successes and uniqueness and advocate for themselves is even a little bit like a government passing legislation to take away rights, come on.

Pinterest Mom posted:

No, I literally do not understand why straight people care about how we run our parade. It has no public policy implications beyond Toronto traffic getting disturbed for a day. If you're going to care this much about the internal decisions of a event using public space, I'd rather you concentrate your efforts on, I don't know, the choice of bib colours for the marathon. I'm sure GoodLife is looking forward to your input.

tagesschau posted:

Cool, then you're on my side when I say that Canadians' opinions about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, or American police officers who use excessive force against black Americans are unwelcome and easily dismissed unless said Canadians also have a passport with a large, creepy bald eagle staring at you on page 3. Right?

It's amazing how many of the protests in front of the U.S. consulate in Toronto either a) are about something that does not directly involve the U.S. at all or b) consist mostly of foreigners (with respect to the U.S.) opining on U.S. internal affairs. I'm sure you understand that it's not really their place to have an opinion on such matters if they're not American.

namaste faggots posted:

If this whole loving thread isn't a good reason to nuke Toronto I don't know what is

namaste faggots posted:

Pearson is literally worse than the worst airport I've ever been to in my life in khartoum

Angry Diplomat posted:

Christ, even gunchat is better than this.

Angry Diplomat posted:

Angry Diplomat posted:

Christ, even gunchat is better than this.

Frosted Flake posted:

Well, you live up to your name.
Not much of a discussion if everyone else's opinion is immediately discounted.

Ikantski posted:

Only gun owners are allowed to have an opinion on their traditional activities from now on though.

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TORONTO, July 4, 2016 – Yesterday’s action by Black Lives Matter was important for the LGBTQ+ communities, says CUPE Ontario President Fred Hahn, one of Canada’s few openly gay union leaders and long-time resident of the Church and Wellesley neighbourhood.

“Pride was born out of the police persecution of Toronto’s gay community,” said Hahn. “We have come a long way since then and if you are a white, gay male, like me, you are much less likely to face police harassment today than you were five or ten years ago. The same can’t be said for all LGBTQ folks and solidarity demands that we all stand together.”

Today, Toronto Pride is famous world-wide as a safe space to be open about one’s sexuality and gender identity. It’s a time to be loved without judgement, but this is sadly not true for everyone. Toronto’s LGBTQ+ communities are as diverse as the world itself, and people have vastly different lived experiences.

While the parade and festivities continue to grow in mainstream popularity, it is becoming harder for people in parts of LGBTQ+ communities to organize events that reflect themselves and the reality of their lives. Space in the festival is being consumed by corporate donors which decreases our ability to continue to question ourselves about racism, ableism, transphobia, and all the other societal oppression that effect LGBTQ folks.

“Black Lives Matter has successfully shone a much needed spotlight on the institutional racism that exists within the police force toward recialized people in this city,” said Hahn. “The group is led by strong black women who are part of our LGBTQ+ communities. Their actions yesterday helped bring about change that people have been trying to achieve for many years. They gave voice to so many of us who are increasingly marginalized by how Pride is currently being run.”

Among the demands agreed to yesterday, were support and funding for community stages with self-determination for the programing of those events, increased funding for queer and trans black youth during Pride, and a community town hall so that people who make up the diversity within the LGBTQ+ communities can start to have more say over their festival.

“CUPE Ontario is a proud ally of the important work Black Lives Matter is doing,” said Hahn. “In the original tradition of Pride, we salute their use of direct action with clear demands that resulted in positive change for thousands of people in our city. On behalf of our union, we offer not only our thanks, but also our solidarity in our shared fight for justice and equality.”

Angry Diplomat posted:

Man, at least put some effort into it. We had a pretty good dialogue going, so if we're gonna derail into shitpost hell, they should at least be pretty good shitposts.

the trump tutelage posted:

I was going to PM you but I guess I can't, so I'll leave it at a simple sorry.

namaste faggots posted:

next time you gender studies majors are huddled around the kitchen stove in the deep of winter and starving, remember this thread

Ikantski posted:

Gonna need those TFWs to help the airports' bottom line.

OSI bean dip posted:

Don't worry, guys. The Liberals won't sell off our airports; they'll just give them to private corporations on 999-year leases.