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Harrow posted:My friend's take on the lack of indictment: Comey said: "to be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now" Emphasis mine. And his point is that what they are deciding now is a criminal indictment, not the administrative or security sanctions that Clinton should have faced, had her actions been investigated during her tenure In other words, your friend missed the nuanced point
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BetterToRuleInHell posted:I thought Jeb was initially considered a serious contender having FL a lock and expecting to have the blessing of the GOP machine? Trump torpedoed that unenergetic train before it even got going out of the station.
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I, for one, look forward to conservatives bringing up email-gate for the next 4-6 years every time there's a lull in the conservative news sphere, not unlike serving old leftovers when you're out of ideas on what to cook.
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WampaLord posted:Get the gently caress out of here. This, but more to the point: the Dems have basically locked up something like 240 of the 270 electoral votes they need. If the Dem candidate wins Florida or Ohio it becomes almost impossible for a Republican to win the presidency. The theoretical R candidate would have to essentially sweep every swing state to win the presidency, which is a hell of a tall order when the economy is in decent shape and the republican brand is so toxic to so many people (which it was before Trump turned it into nuclear waste).
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Noam Chomsky posted:If you can't see how it is in the interests of the global intelligence agencies and various world governments that Assange is accused of an indefensible crime, and that they may have helped the accusations along at best, then you're probably why various intelligence agencies and the global elite get away with so much. Guilty until proven innocent, I guess. What evidence do you have that the victims are engaged in an international conspiracy? Or does innocent until proven guilty only count for some accusations and not others? It just seems weird to claim how important using evidence and the rule of law is, when making baseless accusations and supporting someone refusing to follow lawful orders because they claim a secret un-filed extradition order is out to get them.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 17:42 |
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mcmagic posted:I was calling BS on her numbers with Independents. I know she's net positive with Dems. Independents aren't typically moderates so much as they're disaffected voters from one of the two major parties. So when the GOP is currently a Category 5 Shitstorm, that means that Clinton's numbers are going to look paradoxically weak.
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Harrow posted:My friend's take on the lack of indictment: IANAL, but a lot of people seem to be mistaking what Comey said - to paraphrase "if someone lesser did this they could face sanctions" - to mean they would be prosecuted as criminals. A sanction isn't necessarily a criminal charge, it could mean a refresher course on security procedures, a suspension, getting fired or fined, etc. Also there are a lot of false equivalencies being posted, one I've seen repeated is about a Navy guy who downloaded info off a server onto a flash drive and was sentenced to probation; he was subject to UCMJ, but Hillary is not. edit: beaten by emdash
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I just want to mention that I spent my 4th of July flying to a communist country. Whats that make leftist my power level? Over 9000? E: Oh poo poo just saw the announcement, is Fox News melting down? Boon fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Jul 5, 2016 |
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ImpAtom posted:... what? This one? quote:This is primarily a meta-argument about how the email scandal accusations are framed.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 17:44 |
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Harrow posted:My friend's take on the lack of indictment: She would have been reprimanded were she anyone else (and still currently serving in the position), but "reprimand" or whatever other administrative action still isn't "the FBI will recommend an indictment"
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news just out that Scott Walker will be an RNC speaker. Possible VP?Boon posted:I just want to mention that I spent my 4th of July flying to a communist country. Whats that make leftist my power level? Over 9000? seems like you maybe meant to post this in dadchat. but hell yeah that's over 9000
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Noam Chomsky posted:If you can't see how it is in the interests of the global intelligence agencies and various world governments that Assange is accused of an indefensible crime, and that they may have helped the accusations along at best, then you're probably why various intelligence agencies and the global elite get away with so much. Guilty until proven innocent, I guess. When it's also brought up that he's wanted for *questioning* and not outright arrest, that gives the accusations pause. Then when you mention that Assange has offered to answer those questions remotely, or in the embassy, or under an agreement of non extridition, he has been rebuffed.....well. If this was about answering questions and seeking charges of sexual assault, the prosecution has had ample opportunity. The point is getting Assange into a state of custody from which he can be extradited to the USA or a CIA black site for imprisonment and torture.
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'convey the usual sentiments' sounds creepy as gently caress coming from (fake) Nixon.
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Ah, thanks. I'm at work and couldn't watch his whole speech, so I didn't know the full context of the quote.
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mcmagic posted:And they didn't like their odds because the party (the elites and the voters are both to blame) anointed her the nominee despite her being a horrible candidate and willfully ignored all the issues in her track record. And if the GOP wern't so batshit insane as to nominate a joke like Trump, she would lose. If you think the GOP would still win with someone like Rubio or Cruz you're living in a different world from everyone else. I like your excuse though "well they didn't run because both the elites and the voters are to blame for annointing her" is pretty wonderful. Those loving voters, how dare they support her instead of your hand-picked candidate. Clearly it's all her fault for spending time shoring up support when they weren't doing so. mcmagic posted:If it was Bush or god forbid Walker vs Clinton, we would be looking at a Republican President. Even if either of them had been the nominee both can be attacked on so much poo poo. Bush literally passed laws so illegal during the Terri Schavio incident that Republican judges were horrified while striking them down and Walker's a sock puppet with downs who holds his office almost entirely because Wisconsin elects governors in off-year elections.
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Epic High Five posted:
Do these people check under their beds for CTR people each night? It is getting indistinguishable from gang stalking at this point.
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TheLoquid posted:This one? That is the one I was thinking of, thank you!
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Shifty Pony posted:Do these people check under their beds for CTR people each night? It is getting indistinguishable from gang stalking at this point. Also, people really neglect their under-bed cleaning regimen.
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Narciss posted:Hillary was never going to be indicted, she's always had Comey & Lynch fit snugly in her pocket; I've been saying that since day 1. I'm so proud of you.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 18:03 |
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Harrow posted:My friend's take on the lack of indictment: If she were still sos she would basically be fired in disgrace, but you can't fire someone who doesn't work there anymore.
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Narciss posted:Hillary was never going to be indicted, she's always had Comey & Lynch fit snugly in her pocket; I've been saying that since day 1. Literally something a nazi would say.
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Let us take a moment to heap scorn upon the e-mail trolls who refused to Toxx While I do not agree with them, those e-mail obsessed weirdos who believed so firmly that they put on the line at least have my respect
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http://drudgereport.com/flashvp.htm
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zoux posted:Also, people really neglect their under-bed cleaning regimen. Pfft... there's no way anyone can hide under my bed. They'd make a racket among all of the empty whiskey bottles.
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 18:07 |
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So here's my question: did Trump pick a VP before Cory was fired or is he changing his mind? Cory suggested leaking the pick, implying they had a name. But we've been getting a bunch of media about getting etc so either it is a ruse or Trump is changing his mind?
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 18:09 |
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Harrow posted:My friend's take on the lack of indictment: the only people who are mad about this are people who really, deeply hate hillary clinton and are looking for something, anything, to bash her with in the desperate hope that she won't be the next POTUS
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Oh god, please let it be Gingrich. 1996 crazy meets 2016 crazy, it will cause a singularity of awfulness that will collapse the universe.
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TheLoquid posted:This one? So I guess my question after reading that is: what was the FBI investigating in the first place? What did she do that was negligent enough to warrant an investigation? I'd heard so many things about her sending classified information through that server, but should we read the non-indictment as saying that didn't happen, or that it did but it's not a criminal offense?
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 18:15 |
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I still think it'll be Christie. He's been Trump's loyal toady for months, no one else will kiss Trump's rear end like he will. Of course Christie's a terrible choice, but since when has anything Trump does made logical sense?
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I read that poll as "Bob Barker" and was briefly disappointed when I realized what it really said.Harrow posted:So I guess my question after reading that is: what was the FBI investigating in the first place? What did she do that was negligent enough to warrant an investigation? I'd heard so many things about her sending classified information through that server, but should we read the non-indictment as saying that didn't happen, or that it did but it's not a criminal offense? If I understand correct they were investigating if it was a malicious and intentional act rather than "you hosed up, kinda dumb" or whatnot. THAT would have been criminal-illegal but also was never really likely.
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Harrow posted:So I guess my question after reading that is: what was the FBI investigating in the first place? What did she do that was negligent enough to warrant an investigation? I'd heard so many things about her sending classified information through that server, but should we read the non-indictment as saying that didn't happen, or that it did but it's not a criminal offense? I think they found the e-mail server while looking for Ben Ghazi's skeleton in her closet.
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Zanzibar Ham posted:I think they found the e-mail server while looking for Ben Ghazi's skeleton in her closet. Yes, though again everyone knew about this
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Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III
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Ikvana isn't on that poll so it's invalid
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BI NOW GAY LATER posted:Yes, though again everyone knew about this Look the GOP needed a new scandal because Benghazi wasn't paying dividends and the server was right there! When you put a cookie jar in clear view of a child you don't blame the child when the jar turns up empty. Of course the end result is the kid gets a hell of a stomach ache, but hey, maybe they'll learn this time! (or not)
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ImpAtom posted:If I understand correct they were investigating if it was a malicious and intentional act rather than "you hosed up, kinda dumb" or whatnot. THAT would have been criminal-illegal but also was never really likely. Yeah they find that there was no evidence of malicious intent, and that her use of a private server was public knowledge and readily apparent. Which was always obvious to anybody who was being fair-minded. Comey did, however, use much stronger terms than "kinda dumb" and it's also important to note that this seems like a serious though not at all criminal gently caress up and that Clinton directly lied about never handling anything that was classified at the time.
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Arrgytehpirate posted:Ikvana isn't on that poll so it's invalid I kind of expect him to nominate his son or son-in-law. Something that crazy and stupid wouldn't surprise me and it would keep his name in the news cycle instead of his and also the VP's. Mr Jaunts posted:I still think it'll be Christie. He's been Trump's loyal toady for months, no one else will kiss Trump's rear end like he will. Of course Christie's a terrible choice, but since when has anything Trump does made logical sense? But then who will fetch his McDonald's order?
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# ? Jul 5, 2016 18:28 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:If you think the GOP would still win with someone like Rubio or Cruz you're living in a different world from everyone else. Cruz, no because he's just as hatable as Hillary is if not more. Rubio or Walker or anyone else who could run as a not outwardly offensive oaf would've probably beat her. Voters don't always pick the best person for the job. This is news to you?
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Riosan posted:I kind of expect him to nominate his son or son-in-law. Something that crazy and stupid wouldn't surprise me and it would keep his name in the news cycle instead of his and also the VP's. don't see why he'd pick one of his son's over ivanka, she's clearly the smarter of the 3 and more suited to a political position
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