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Sion posted:if I have to start wearing one of those stupid loving collars I swear on me mu- codpieces might come back, i've been waiting for this day for years
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Rakosi posted:Wait, wait. Unfairly? look at this gorilla killa
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Saint Isaias Boner posted:codpieces might come back, i've been waiting for this day for years
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Jose posted:about that tony.... I think he might have expected this to just be another slap-on-the-wrist situation, because he does not seem even remotely prepared for this. But W-WMDs????
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Yinlock posted:I think he might have expected this to just be another slap-on-the-wrist situation, because he does not seem even remotely prepared for this. He says there was no rush to war. Blair says there was no rush to war. He says he did not commit to war when he met Bush at Crawford in Texas in April 2002. The Chilcot report accepts that, he says lol
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Look I know that report and all evidence says I strangled that man with his own intestines, but let me put these guts down for a moment and ask the court: have you considered the idea that it does not????
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"Wait, the report doesn't say deus vult?" - Tony Blair, while tugging his collar nervously.
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christ. if it weren't for the wars, he'd still be prime minister now
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big scary monsters posted:I thought special forces were in fact on the ground in Libya and some were even killed. They were. They evacuated the oil field my dad worked at.
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Jesus Tony Blair's statement is a shitshow. 'I accept full responsibility without excuse'. Except he says the intelligence was wrong, the world is better off without Saddam Hussein, British troops didn't die in vain, the war defined the global security struggle (wtf does that mean), there wasn't a rush to go to war, I never lied and we had to do SOMETHING after 9/11.
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MikeCrotch posted:the war defined the global security struggle (wtf does that mean)
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For any of you who read the Milhist thread, Tony Blair's reasoning smacks a lot of Trin Tragulas explanation of WWI general's thinking. 1. We have to do something. 2. This is something. 3. We must do this!
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MikeCrotch posted:the war defined the global security struggle (wtf does that mean) The struggle is real.
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The report appears to magically mold itself into whatever form the commentator wants. Perhaps we could reuse it as our new deal with the EU? Cf Blair's press conference and this: https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/750646245006438400
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Didn't Blair get the chance to go through the report before it was read out? You'd think he might be a bit more prepared for this.
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Blair posted:Blair says the fear of the US administration, which he shared, was that terrorist groups would obtain WMDs. The calculus of risk changed after 9/11, he says. Why would 9/11 make it more likely that terrorist groups would obtain WMDs? And he's still linking 9/11 to Saddam. It's always been impressively delusional but they haven't even formulated something that makes more sense after all these years.
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Pureauthor posted:Didn't Blair get the chance to go through the report before it was read out? everybody named and criticised did, and had the chance to make objections, and then got to see the revisions, object to those, etc... it's what dragged the process out so long, and you can also bet that this is about as sanitised as it could possibly be. Imagine how much more brutal it would have been if Blair hadn't got to see and object to everything in advance.
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pointsofdata posted:The report appears to magically mold itself into whatever form the commentator wants. Perhaps we could reuse it as our new deal with the EU? Cf Blair's press conference and this: Tom's a massive Blairite, though.
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MikeCrotch posted:Jesus Tony Blair's statement is a shitshow. He does sound like he's about to cry. I hope he does. Never seen a vampire cry.
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TinTower posted:Tom's a massive Blairite, though. Is he wrong?
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[UNREPENTANT BASTARD]: no one feels worse about this than me and I fully accept the conclusions of the report. Allow me to refute all it's conclusions line by line. Did I fall asleep in a time machine? Soldiers died in Iraq "fighting terror?"
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TinTower posted:Tom's a massive Blairite, though. Yeah, I thought the report made it clear that Blair lied or at least intentionally misled people about some stuff?
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Antares posted:[UNREPENTANT BASTARD]: no one feels worse about this than me and I fully accept the conclusions of the report. Allow me to refute all it's conclusions line by line. Well, after the invasion, the looting, the de-Baathification, and the shambolic lack of post-war planning there was rather a lot of insurgency/freedom fighting / terrorism. So if you squint, sure that's why they died.
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LMAO now it's "the Iraq invasion was like an early Arab Spring". Just a few years earlier and Iraq would have ended up like Syria. This is a convincing counter-factual indeed.
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Junior G-man posted:insurgency/freedom fighting / terrorism.
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Junior G-man posted:LMAO now it's "the Iraq invasion was like an early Arab Spring". Just a few years earlier and Iraq would have ended up like Syria. https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/750649573245329408
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Junior G-man posted:Well, after the invasion, the looting, the de-Baathification, and the shambolic lack of post-war planning there was rather a lot of insurgency/freedom fighting / terrorism. So if you squint, sure that's why they died. Also apparently the use of terrorism couldn't be anticipated in the war on terror. "Blair" posted:Blair turns to the planning for post-conflict Iraq. I can't watch a livefeed, is he actually being this incoherent or is the Grauniad taking it down wrong?
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Wildstrike posted:Also apparently the use of terrorism couldn't be anticipated in the war on terror. No misleading quotes in the Guardian, friends
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Wildstrike posted:I can't watch a livefeed, is he actually being this incoherent or is the Grauniad taking it down wrong? Yeah he's waffling like anything. He's doing this thing where he's like IMAGINE THIS [WORSE SCENARIO] HAD HAPPENED! It's a good thing that we invaded. Preposterous.
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MikeCrotch posted:Yeah, I thought the report made it clear that Blair lied or at least intentionally misled people about some stuff? It pretty much did, but it didn't explicitly us the phrase "Tony Blair lied", which is apparently enough for his remaining fanclub to go full Pissflaps on people drawing the obvious conclusion.
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"countries where there is Islam should be very careful of overthrowing dictators - otherwise people might choose a government according to their free (and possibly religious) preference. This is unlike Kosovo, where it all turned out fine because no Islam. " A paraphrase, but 
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Baron Corbyn posted:Wait, why is Blair still denying that he pledged military support to Bush when we've literally seen it writing? Because we live in a post-fact world?
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MikeCrotch posted:Yeah, I thought the report made it clear that Blair lied or at least intentionally misled people about some stuff? no it very specifically avoids saying he lied or intentionally misled anyone incompetence and malice, etc
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dispatch_async posted:During an official visit to Hong Kong and China the trade and investment minister has said the UK will be opening up new trading markets like the Elizabethans did Nicely ignoring the fact that this time around we're not the big dog. Expect our laws to be changed to suit China. Maybe even our society will have to change if they demand it. A bright future.
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https://twitter.com/davidblairdt/status/750676441390583808 It is a bloody good film tbf, and I always imagine that's what chemical weapons look like
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Cerebral Bore posted:It pretty much did, but it didn't explicitly us the phrase "Tony Blair lied", which is apparently enough for his remaining fanclub to go full Pissflaps on people drawing the obvious conclusion. The report is 2.6 million words long. There's enough damning stuff in there without adding your own.
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quote:Blair is now addressing what lessons can be learnt. reminder that he's been working for middle east dictators since resigning as PM
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Advertising agencies unveil rejected Remain campaign postersquote:Brexit crisis: the agencies behind the Remain advertising campaign have shared their unsuccessful designs and described a "frustrating" process that was "doomed" to fail (+ slideshow).       TBIAWC
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