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Hexel
Nov 18, 2011




hey at least they still have their culture and strong sense of independence

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PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Tokyo Sexwhale posted:

To be fair though we had spent the better part of 6 years actively poaching anyone capable of any sort of elevated thought above the level of pond scum into GSF from our allies.
I hate how people throw around the word poaching. Poaching means aggressive recruiting. Leaving a dogshit alliance like SMA for goons isn't poaching.

It's like retards getting all mad because FCs want to join amok. Don't blame amok for your alliance being garbage.

PookBear fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Jul 7, 2016

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Reverand maynard posted:

I hate how people throw around the word poaching. Poaching means aggressive recruiting. Leaving a dogshit alliance like SMA for goons isn't poaching.

It's like retards getting all mad because FCs want to join amok. Don't blame amok for your alliance being garbage.

Endie literally at one point was under orders from on high to steal every person capable of coherent thought out of other groups in the CFC and has said as much.

Endie posted:


Yeah we were told to go out and start poaching talent from allies and I got carried away and was caught trying to poach some director of SMA when working my way down the killboard top ten. Woops! I would be all "I am the number two person in goonswarm" and some people in TSC were very worked up that there was a formal hierarchy and that you shouldn't tell people you were number two if you were number three and stuff.

Still got a bunch of good people from that though.

orange juche fucked around with this message at 07:29 on Jul 7, 2016

Alkabob
May 31, 2011
I would like to speak to the manager about the socialists, please

Tokyo Sexwhale posted:

Endie literally at one point was under orders from on high to steal every person capable of coherent thought out of other groups in the CFC and has said as much.

Funny how none of them thought his taking Bat Country to PL was a good idea. So I guess he did a good job on recruiting the coherent thinker part.

Zakrello
Feb 17, 2015

missile imbound
i dunno about sma / razor, but FCON I've been there for a while, they always label themselves as mere ally to goons, but they are no goons. just sitting cornered in branch jewing all day everyday, welping fleets to wh'er and in NPC NS. when there is battle call from goons raging to fountain/delve/wherever, they always put their staging somewhere else and do different things.

I won't describe that as allies, it is more like average teenage group members disobeying everyone else and keep banging their head on a wall.

ullerrm
Dec 31, 2012

Oh, the network slogan is true -- "watch FOX and be damned for all eternity!"

LPT: stop worrying about whether the game is dying, hand wringing has no effect on the games subscription numbers nor on anyone's enjoyment of the game

If you enjoy internet spaceships, then enjoy Internet spaceships for as long as it lasts.

The entire last page gave me more cancer than a million svipuls.

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Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

Orange Red Bull posted:

gently caress fcon though seriously

and sma

and razor

they all folded like wet noodles when the going got tough

This is too harsh. They got sucked into the content thing and gudfited themselves into burnout.

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
eve isdying

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE

ullerrm posted:

The entire last page gave me more cancer than a million svipuls.

nice meme

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

ullerrm posted:

The entire last page gave me more cancer than a million svipuls.

I dont think it, or they, can give you cancer flanders. Cancer is not something caused by words or internet spaceships

neither is aids nor any other disease, i hope that was helpful for you :)

somnolence
Sep 29, 2011

4th Horseman posted:

It's time to bite the loving bullet and allow new players a bunch of SP to spend on poo poo. Maybe 5 million. Restrict extractors to require 10m sp perhaps, but it's stupid boring how long it takes when the only way to advance is by waiting.

CCP's answer to this is injectors bought with PLEX.

ullerrm posted:

LPT: stop worrying about whether the game is dying, hand wringing has no effect on the games subscription numbers nor on anyone's enjoyment of the game

If you enjoy internet spaceships, then enjoy Internet spaceships for as long as it lasts.

The entire last page gave me more cancer than a million svipuls.

Good point. Personally I've played on and off for the better part of a decade, and people have always said the game was dying or dead.

I just started playing again and a lot of the bullshit still inhabits the game, but it's still better than most MMOs that I've played. I'll ride this one out until the bitter end.

somnolence fucked around with this message at 07:49 on Jul 7, 2016

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

somnolence posted:

CCP's answer to this is injectors bought with PLEX.

Which is .. dumb. Getting people to 5 million and the ability to fly a useful ship would help retention. Have all the initial opportunities give like 10k sp. Also it would get people addicted to pumping in SP, probably drive plex/injector sales more than just a flat gently caress you wall like eve has now.

Blazing Zero
Sep 7, 2012

*sigh* sure. it's a weed joke

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

I dont think it, or they, can give you cancer flanders. Cancer is not something caused by words or internet spaceships

neither is aids nor any other disease, i hope that was helpful for you :)

your posting is carcinogenic tho

somnolence
Sep 29, 2011

pseudanonymous posted:

Which is .. dumb. Getting people to 5 million and the ability to fly a useful ship would help retention. Have all the initial opportunities give like 10k sp. Also it would get people addicted to pumping in SP, probably drive plex/injector sales more than just a flat gently caress you wall like eve has now.

:ccp:

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

Blazing Zero posted:

your posting is carcinogenic tho

words do not have that property Mr. B. Zero

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

words do not have that property Mr. B. Zero

There's this thing called figurative use of language. It's probably not beyond you, if you decide to return and get your GED.

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Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
words don't cause cancer directly, it requires you get upset and rage like Rosie O'Donnell after reading them consistently and over a long period of time. When you catch cancer you only have yourself to blame

FruitNYogurtParfait
Mar 29, 2006

Sion lied. Deadtear died for our sins. #VengeanceForDeadtear
#PunGateNeverForget
#ModLivesMatter

pseudanonymous posted:

There's this thing called figurative use of language. It's probably not beyond you, if you decide to return and get your GED.

hmm this is a very weak attempt at insulting me please don't bother trying again

Elmnt80
Dec 30, 2012
Probation
Can't post for 23 hours!

FruitNYogurtParfait posted:

hmm this is a very weak attempt at insulting me please don't bother trying again

The only thing worse than your posting is your rancid nerd musk.

(Am I doing this correctly? I'm bad at being mean.)

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe

Elmnt80 posted:

The only thing worse than your posting is your rancid nerd musk.

(Am I doing this correctly? I'm bad at being mean.)

it's okay you're still great at giving people cancer (you're a natural)

vulvamancer
Oct 2, 2006

Yes! It all makes sense! We may be freaks, but we're freaks with teeth, and claws, and magic wands! And together, we can stand up to Farquaad!

Reverand maynard posted:

Every loving retard that didn't consolidate staging and refused to do joint fleets (SMA was running 50 man hurricane fleets along everyone else's full Mach fleets) is now dead

Yeah, I can still see in my mind's eye this loving SMA FC who ran Tempests alongside our fleet. Then he warped his artillery tempest to the gate at zero to try and fight afterburning machs. Their loving fleet got slaughtered. The next time, instead of integrating, they brought drakes :negative:

YES THEY DESERVED TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL!!!

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Tokyo Sexwhale posted:

Didn't know digi used to model

I like how half the poo poo in that photo is now just 'your smartphone'.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Zephyrine posted:

You can't really throw crap at WoW subscription numbers when the game is 12 years old.

WoW probably has another decade in it before the servers become unprofitable.

Eve Online is 13 years old, though?

Anagram of GINGER
Oct 3, 2014

by Smythe
EVE's designers have no sense of good or fun, it's that simple.

1001 Arabian dicks
Sep 16, 2013

EVE ONLINE IS MY ENTIRE PERSONALITY BECAUSE IM A FRIENDLESS SEMILITERATE LOSER WHO WILL PEDANTICALLY DEMAND PROOF FOR BASIC THINGS LIKE GRAVITY OR THE EXISTENCE OF SELF. ASK ME ABOUT CHEATING AT TARKOV BECAUSE, WELL, SEE ABOVE
I agree with boney that with the scale of some of the wealth organizations and the top 1% have that it's hard for an individual or small group to make a real impact.

Tangerines
Apr 25, 2016

All this "EVE is dying" talk over the last few pages was a really unenjoyable read and I thought Boats comments on the Metashow about it were pretty bad too. There's still a lot of players out there that enjoy the game and will continue to enjoy the game for the foreseeable future, myself included. The negativity Boat expressed on the stream really put me off watching it though it was nice to see him enjoying EVE later on when he started streaming it. Glad I had the option of not watching live so I could skip to that point.

4th Horseman
Jun 3, 2011

avatarinwin posted:

I agree with boney that with the scale of some of the wealth organizations and the top 1% have that it's hard for an individual or small group to make a real impact.

Is that bad or good?

Jazzzzz
May 16, 2002
boat as in dbrb? going by the posting here I'd have thought most of you would actively want him to quit

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Elsa posted:

Boat's comments on the meta show were hard to take in. He talked about EVE becoming one of those has-been games you play just because you used to play it a lot.

A couple months ago boat also said he would stop playing if he pinged for a fleet and only got 25 people or so. He pinged for a sword fleet today and guess what he got.

If boat stops playing, you're hosed.

4th Horseman
Jun 3, 2011

Xolve posted:

If boat stops playing, you're hosed.

This is gold.

NtotheTC
Dec 31, 2007


It really seems like all CCP need to do is get rid of the initial 2-3 months of training dull as poo poo "fitting" skills, polish this SCOPE mission system up a bit, and then another B-R would boost the numbers and allow them to retain them a bit better. My first attempt to play EVE was in 2007 or something, and I gave up because I was your standard highsec pubbie trying to mine his way to riches. Then I came back in 2014 for 3 months and joined Goonswarm, and that was much better but having to train for 30 days and see almost no improvement in what you can fly/how well you can fly it was too offputting. This is my third attempt and now I'm past 12mill SP on my main it is so much more enjoyable.

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

NtotheTC posted:

It really seems like all CCP need to do is get rid of the initial 2-3 months of training dull as poo poo "fitting" skills, polish this SCOPE mission system up a bit, and then another B-R would boost the numbers and allow them to retain them a bit better. My first attempt to play EVE was in 2007 or something, and I gave up because I was your standard highsec pubbie trying to mine his way to riches. Then I came back in 2014 for 3 months and joined Goonswarm, and that was much better but having to train for 30 days and see almost no improvement in what you can fly/how well you can fly it was too offputting. This is my third attempt and now I'm past 12mill SP on my main it is so much more enjoyable.

Scam pubbies, get isk, buy new character.

Rhymenoserous
May 23, 2008

Xolve posted:

If boat stops playing, you're hosed.

Boat will never stop playing eve long term. This is the only place on the internet where he can have a captive audience for his dumb bullshit.

Baculus
Oct 25, 2007

I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER
EVE's NPE being poo poo is a result of EVE's complexity. I've always wondered whether people got defensive over any potential changes to the NPE because they saw that as possibly dumbing down the complexity of EVE (which can be a sticking point for some of the current player-base), or if it was more a case of "we took our licks and stuck it out, so new pubbies should too". But unless EVE fixes the NPE, it could possibly be a case of heat death.

As to the discussion of GSF's other allies in The Imperium... I wasn't around for most of it. I only really know what I've seen firsthand, heard from other people in The Imperium, and read about in Wikis and poo poo. At the end of the day a lot of our former allies keep restating that they have their own sense of identity and that lead them out of the coalition (or other similarly meaningless lines), but obviously leaving was about surviving as an organization in a hostile environment.

But it also seems to me that GSF made a lot of their allies stakeholders in GSF's well being. Running and using sigs and squads across the entire coalition, providing logistics and financial services, and always providing body-count for whatever was going on. It doesn't seem like a lot of the other alliances in The Imperium (particularly Co2 and SMA) were run well enough to have any of their own organic development of stakeholders among GSF or other Imperium members. When you look at it from a kind of sociological or business-management perspective, it's not particularly shocking that some people would straight up widot into GSF, or that GSF would happily open the door and let people join. Reminding people of incentives they already have to make a decision isn't quite the same as poaching or head-hunting. Particularly when there didn't seem to be any dubious activities designed to subvert people's sense of loyalty to whatever alliance floats their boat.

I sound like a broken-record apologist, but the fact remains GSF is remarkably well-run. That's very appealing, in and of itself.

e: typos.

Baculus fucked around with this message at 15:42 on Jul 7, 2016

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

Xolve posted:

If boat stops playing, you're hosed.

The reddit brigade's latest victory condition is to make Mittani and boat quit the game. It's pretty funny because you can see the thought process of "yes, we must get Mittens and uh what's another goon guy OH YEAH boat, Mittens and boat."

Rhymenoserous posted:

Boat will never stop playing eve long term. This is the only place on the internet where he can have a captive audience for his dumb bullshit.

ArcheAge :colbert: At least not for lack of trying. God does that game look awful though.

Xolve
Oct 12, 2012

Well, shoot! We ain't come this far just to dump this thing in the drink. What's the nearest target opportunity?

Morris posted:

The reddit brigade's latest victory condition is to make Mittani and boat quit the game. It's pretty funny because you can see the thought process of "yes, we must get Mittens and uh what's another goon guy OH YEAH boat, Mittens and boat."

Not really a huge proponent of the reddit hive mind, and 'what they want' is akin to what a 6 year old in a toy store wants.

While DBRB might be a FC of questionable quality, his reckless enthusiasm can win a campaign (and has) with a bit of guidance.

Baculus
Oct 25, 2007

I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER

Xolve posted:

reckless enthusiasm

Best way of describing Boat ever.

Zephyrine
Jun 10, 2014

This is what meat is supposed to be like, dingus
If reddit wants to defeat GSF they should tip off the RSPCA. Mittens goes to jail and boat is released back into the wild.

Naz al-Ghul
Mar 23, 2014

Honorarily Japanese

Morris posted:

The reddit brigade's latest victory condition is to make Mittani and boat quit the game. It's pretty funny because you can see the thought process of "yes, we must get Mittens and uh what's another goon guy OH YEAH boat, Mittens and boat."

That's a pretty dumb win condition. Hell, SirMolle isn't even gone after all these years and he lost far more than GSF has in this war.

I don't really understand how DBRB is some kinda big bad for the enemy. He's Bomberwaffe, not a space tyrant. Worst thing he'll do is turn your fleet into Dresden.

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Baculus
Oct 25, 2007

I DID A BIG CACA IN MY DRUG STORE DIAPER

Zephyrine posted:

If reddit wants to defeat GSF they should tip off the RSPCA. Mittens goes to jail and boat is released back into the wild.

What's your problem with DBRB?

Did the ~~oppression fleet~~ pop your cyno on the O1Y undock? Or have you fully gone feral?

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