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Zaodai posted:Maybe it's one of those quirks about a poorly shielded reactor? That'd be even worse, right? If you think infantry can't infiltrate a city, even in powerarmour i dunno what to tell you. Also AIRDROPPED ELEMENTALS could be a thing. We are against snow ravens, they may not be goliath scorpions but if they are coming from daemon hawks they'd prob refit some kirghiz to airdrop in PA troops.
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Jul 7, 2016 02:38
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If Amaris' super secret base that the Clans believe is the lynchpin of his super weapon for blowing up WarShips could be flawlessly infiltrated by Elementals at any time, why would there be a battle? You just send the Elementals in to blow up the place. It's not like it's even an honor thing, since you're attacking Space Hitler's Death Start, as far as they know. I'm not saying they won't bring some with them, but it seems incredibly unlikely we actually have to worry about them being pre-seeded all throughout the map.
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Jul 7, 2016 02:43
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1C because swamps, hell yeah, and 2A because new poo poo.
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Jul 7, 2016 02:46
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Jul 7, 2016 02:47
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1B Because we didn't just raid an airfield for nothing. 2B Because I want to be contrarian. Also the mechs we already have seem to be fine.
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Jul 7, 2016 02:53
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PoptartsNinja posted:I think you mean our medium pilots. Now if it was only the Bobcat Mk.II, then we'd be talking. 
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Jul 7, 2016 02:54
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Zaodai posted:If Amaris' super secret base that the Clans believe is the lynchpin of his super weapon for blowing up WarShips could be flawlessly infiltrated by Elementals at any time, why would there be a battle? You just send the Elementals in to blow up the place. It's not like it's even an honor thing, since you're attacking Space Hitler's Death Start, as far as they know. It's the clans. EVERYTHING'S about honor. Besides, the Demon Hawks will be there. Do YOU want to be the clan that had the opportunity to fight them and not do it?
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Jul 7, 2016 03:06
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Technowolf posted:It's the clans. EVERYTHING'S about honor. So blowing the plant with your invisible supermen is dishonorable, but luring your enemy into the invisible supermen as a cowardly ambush is not? I dunno. I think they'll have some elementals on their flanks and scouting, I just don't think the whole city will be seeded. Bring your Active Probes, kids. Maybe Uncle Stevie has some satellite imagery in his magical van of wonder he can provide us so we can be sure they haven't snuck anybody in before hand.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:11
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1C and 2A.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:15
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Jul 7, 2016 03:22
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Zaodai posted:So blowing the plant with your invisible supermen is dishonorable, but luring your enemy into the invisible supermen as a cowardly ambush is not? Zaodai, I don't say this very often but you are completely underestimating the Clan psyche. The Clan way of life isn't about honor, it's about justification. They will do absolutely anything necessary to win a fight if they can find any way at all to justify it. And hey, if anyone questions that justification they can just prove themselves right by fighting their accuser to the
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Jul 7, 2016 03:26
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PoptartsNinja posted:Zaodai, I don't say this very often but you are completely underestimating the Clan psyche. The Clan way of life isn't about honor, it's about justification. The post I was responding to was someone literally saying everything was about Honor. They could easily justify sneaking the Elementals in to blow the factory as a victory over the Hawks because the Hawks failed to protect the objective. It would be a HUGE victory for the Elementals themselves, honor wise. You're preaching to the choir on the Honor vs Justification debate. My overall point is that they wouldn't stop at a half measure. If they're abusing invisible elementals, they'll abuse them super hard. If they're not, they'll just be used as scouts and flankers, as basic Clan doctrine would suggest. Honestly, I wouldn't be opposed to the city fight turning out to be a patrol to stop elementals from trying to sneak by you. It would definitely be different, if nothing else. If the defense holds for X number of turns, then the officer in charge gets antsy and calls in the mechs because the elementals "failed" and the fight proceeds from there. Scary fight.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:34
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Ah, alright. I misunderstood. Canon Clanners able to justify insane things: Pretty much all of them. When Mechwarrior Dawn was exiled from the Steel Vipers for not being able to justify (via glorious hand to hand combat against an Elemental) her unit's loss against and near-complete annihilation by the Crimson Reapers (posing as Thomas Marik's Knights of the Inner Sphere and working for canon Stefan Amaris VIII) she was still able to justify becoming a mercenary because she wasn't personally taking the money. It was just being used incidentally to provide her with food, shelter, a BattleMech, and ammunition.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:46
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Voyager I posted:1C, 2A solid argument. As fun as it sounds to kool-aid man a building, it was awfully hard to actually do in practice. :\
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Jul 7, 2016 03:49
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With all this Elemental talk, I'm wondering if you can refit an Awesome with Plasma Rifles in place of the PPCs.
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Jul 7, 2016 03:59
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Psion posted:solid argument. As fun as it sounds to kool-aid man a building, it was awfully hard to actually do in practice. :\ Also the Pirate mission was kool-aiding through some space-brazilian shantytown that didn't even have the streets paved. Fighting in a real city will be a pain in the rear end on a whole different level.
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Jul 7, 2016 04:08
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1. B: Lost cause, but I want to see more mech feet crushing cockpits. 2. A: Jason can't afford to keep taking that kind of punishment. Also he's a good enough pilot that maybe he could grow into the protagonist of mechassault.
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Jul 7, 2016 04:30
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PoptartsNinja posted:I think you mean our medium pilots. 
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Jul 7, 2016 04:31
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Voyager I posted:Also the Pirate mission was kool-aiding through some space-brazilian shantytown that didn't even have the streets paved. Fighting in a real city will be a pain in the rear end on a whole different level. Kool aid manning through a shanty town... to suplex people! "Welcome to Suplex City, bitch!" - Brock Lesnar's 80's space pirate mech-wrasslin' counterpart.
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Jul 7, 2016 04:38
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Hard choice, but I think I'll go 1C 2A Want to see that swamp!
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Jul 7, 2016 04:53
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PoptartsNinja posted:Fun fact about swamps: Running with house rules? My experience with swamps is much more static, using the +1 MP and auto-bog on jump from TacOps.
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Jul 7, 2016 04:57
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1C, 2A You know we're gonna get surprise sylphs, though. Somehow.
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Jul 7, 2016 05:03
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PoptartsNinja posted:When Mechwarrior Dawn was exiled from the Steel Vipers for not being able to justify (via glorious hand to hand combat against an Elemental) her unit's loss against and near-complete annihilation by the Crimson Reapers (posing as Thomas Marik's Knights of the Inner Sphere and working for canon Stefan Amaris VIII) she was still able to justify becoming a mercenary because she wasn't personally taking the money. It was just being used incidentally to provide her with food, shelter, a BattleMech, and ammunition. Hahah. And look at all the the poo poo the thread was sayin about clanners aren't compatable with the mercenary lifestyle. Hilarious. "I'm putting ALL OF THIS DOSH in an expense account, and only using it to pay to fight things, and none of it myself. That's allowed!"
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Jul 7, 2016 05:03
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TheParadigm posted:"I'm putting ALL OF THIS DOSH in an expense account, and only using it to pay to fight things, and none of it myself. That's allowed!" No, sadly she still wouldn't have anything to do with the running of a mercenary unit and would absolutely refuse to accept money for fighting. But she'd absolutely fight to defend the person feeding her and wouldn't bat an eyelash at someone just giving her a gift (of clothing or a usable BattleMech etc, etc). They gave her a Shadow Hawk, incidentally. That's another book I'd love to Let's Read, it's so goofy and bad and I love every page of it.
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Jul 7, 2016 05:33
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Hmmm. I don't think that the Sidegrade option could even lose at this point, even if everyone from here on out who chimes in does so against it. Not that I was going to either, but its amusing to see how practically unanimous it has been. That said. 1C) Morgaine River Delta: Not only to see some new terrain in the thread, not only to be potentially nicer to Poptarts in his map design workload, but also because it can gently caress over enemy jumpers just as much as it can infantry. Which isn't to say there won't be any crazy Clanner jackasses planning to find a way to bring Elementals into the fight anyway. But it should limit a spiritual successor to the Lucerne or Super Sentai Goshawk Squad from showing up. Of course, the next mission will likely have frontline units instead. Sooooo...there's that too. Of course they should take the sidegrade while they are at it. Free potential advantages for the fight...well, free beyond the politics that could result.
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Jul 7, 2016 05:40
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Man how disastrous would a defeat be? Every mission we play, other than maybe the first few, seems like Do or Die for the characters the players' are playing.
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Jul 7, 2016 05:56
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Artificer posted:Man how disastrous would a defeat be? Every mission we play, other than maybe the first few, seems like Do or Die for the characters the players' are playing. That might be a fun mission - essentially a training scenario where there's like 12 players in 5/6's up against 4 'teachers' that are 2/3s, and the players have the mutual goal of 'winning', but may also have personal goals like the Pirate Mission.
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Jul 7, 2016 06:07
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Artificer posted:Man how disastrous would a defeat be? Every mission we play, other than maybe the first few, seems like Do or Die for the characters the players' are playing. Welcome to the wonderful world of armed aggression.
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Jul 7, 2016 06:10
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berryjon posted:That might be a fun mission - essentially a training scenario where there's like 12 players in 5/6's up against 4 'teachers' that are 2/3s, and the players have the mutual goal of 'winning', but may also have personal goals like the Pirate Mission. There was that one test a few missions ago that was to test into a prestigious unit. That wasn't too bad for failure. They weren't gonna die/get their friends killed by failing.
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Jul 7, 2016 06:11
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I'd like to change my map vote to 1C, since this allows more people to participate in the next glorious battle.
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Jul 7, 2016 06:18
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Artificer posted:There was that one test a few missions ago that was to test into a prestigious unit. That wasn't too bad for failure. They weren't gonna die/get their friends killed by failing. We could have had a golden commando 
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Jul 7, 2016 07:21
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Also changing my map vote to 1C because new terrain is a novelty for something that's gone on this long.
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Jul 7, 2016 07:48
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Great Beer posted:We could have had a golden commando It was a golden locust! 
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Jul 7, 2016 07:53
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A reminder that PTN doesn't allow vote changing because it makes things more work than necessary to keep track of it all. (Unless that itself has changed?)
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Jul 7, 2016 08:20
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Have confidence in your choices. Especially if you regret them later! 
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Jul 7, 2016 08:24
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I still think that city is a great environment for our Dadlad, so I vote 1A. Also 2A, because every new toy we got was sweet so far.
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Jul 7, 2016 08:26
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I'm going to join in with: 1C and 2A However, I'll note that 1B sounds like it means we could have people running up to clan mechs, pushing them, and watching them tumble down the mountain and right off the map. That sounds like a wonderful way to troll clan mechwarriors. Maybe we could set up some mech-size bowling pins at the bottom of the mountain to aim the clan mechs at?
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Jul 7, 2016 08:47
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PoptartsNinja posted:Jojoken Outskirts: doesn't need my help. The map will take longer to set up than all of the others because I'll need to make more buildings to keep it from looking like garbage. I never got any feedback on the buildings I made months ago. If they're usable, I can crank out a few more, even if we don't get a city map this battle.
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Technowolf posted:It's the clans. EVERYTHING'S about honor. Elementals treat the Clan honor code with significantly less reverence than Mechwarriors. They do a lot of dirty special forces kind of hard assaults, like airdropping into command centers and murdering all the commanders, so I would expect that if they could have blown it up with commando Elementals, they'd have done so already.
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