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Apparently they snuck in Oliver loving Letwin as the head of the Brexit-EU negotiating team. Marina Hyde has a nice piece on him here: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/07/toto-brexit-curtain-oliver-letwin Here's a flavor of the man: quote:"The root of social malaise is not poor housing, or youth 'alienation' or the lack of a middle class....Lower-class, unemployed white people lived for years in appalling slums without a breakdown of public order on anything like the present scale; in the midst of the depression, people in Brixton went out, leaving their grocery money in a bag at the front door, and expecting to see groceries there when they got back...Riots, criminality and social disintegration are caused solely by individual characters and attitudes. So long as bad moral attitudes remain, all efforts to improve the inner cities will founder...[Lord] Young’s new entrepreneurs will set up in the disco and drug trade; Kenneth Baker’s refurbished council blocks will decay through vandalism combined with neglect; and people will graduate from temporary training or employment programmes into unemployment or crime." quote:Speaking to consultancy firm KPMG on 27 July 2011, Letwin caused controversy after stating that you cannot have "innovation and excellence" without "real discipline and some fear on the part of the providers" in the public sector. This was widely reported, with The Guardian headline stating Letwin says 'public sector workers need "discipline and fear"'.[31]
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Renaissance Robot posted:My opinion sure differs on this point; I think it heavily depends on how you read those intelligence reports. To my eye they're quite clearly saying "we have absolutely nothing" but couched in cautious not-ruling-anything-out terms to cover their asses in case something did end up being found. There was also this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)
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OvineYeast posted:Explain? it's hard to understate the degree to which the Blair era remade the labour as a party and movement; e.g., the entire £3 movement is a third way project (that has backfired hilariously upon the project's second generation heirs, but it's still their project). nobody, not even the unions, are enthusiastic about a return to the bloc vote era. whenever you see the "far-left" John McDonnell vigorously promising that Labour will commit to a balanced budget and no increases in personal taxes, this is very much a Blairite recognition that %public expenditure had pretty much exhausted the limits of voter tolerance. We knew that already of course, but it became acceptable in the party to recognize the wider rejection. as late as 1992 the right-wing of the party, embodied in Neil Kinnock or John Smith, were still promising tax increases (if small) or national Keynesian investment programmes (and let's not even talk about the left) blair entrenched a managerial, institutional, empirical approach to message discipline; it is only with Campbell that we can talk about a single Labour message and see the party as an organization thinking about voters in terms of actually-existing voters rather than speculative categories. this comes with both the good and the bad, but the thing about bad polling techniques is that they're incrementally replaced with slightly better polling techniques; the role of numbers-driven decisionmaking only gets stronger over time. this likewise hasn't changed today, with Corbyn's activists likewise thinking in terms of mobilization and hard data about who their supporters really are and how to get them to the leadership ballots it is no longer possible to straightforwardly sideline women; the party's traction in the cities has improved even as its infamous grip on council antics has receded; it legitimized and unleashed Scotland as a nationalist project (another backfired-hilariously project) whilst abandoning a commitment to a united Ireland. again, the main challengers to Blair's heirs do not seem to reject any of these elements or their roles in their preferred ideological fluff
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Jul 7, 2016 09:51
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OvineYeast posted:Remember, how things used to be. Warning: aggressive Sun product placement, ending may be triggering. vodkat posted:2) maybe force people to pay for porn
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ronya posted:the main challengers to Blair's heirs do not seem to reject any of these elements or their roles in their preferred ideological fluff Being fair I'm assuming it's not "literally everything Blair did" so much as the stuffing the party with the gibbering idiots of the PLP.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:04
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https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/750979473277943808 this country is going loving crazy
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Jul 7, 2016 10:18
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From the daily mash: George W Bush picks up mobile, sees who’s calling, puts it down 07-07-16 http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/celebrity/george-w-bush-picks-up-mobile-sees-whos-calling-puts-it-down-20160707110341
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Jul 7, 2016 10:25
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Lol Leadsom going on about how good a weak pound is for the economy and how the ftse100 is up.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:28
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/750979473277943808 I instinctively need to counter-protest but i'm not sure why
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Jul 7, 2016 10:29
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From a local charity's Facebook page: A local charity. Just so we know where people stand.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:35
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I can't get enough of are Dan
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/750979473277943808 The dog barking as she approaches makes this
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Jul 7, 2016 10:35
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sounds like leadsom just gave a dire speech that might have hosed up her chances
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Jul 7, 2016 10:36
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Jose posted:sounds like leadsom just gave a dire speech that might have hosed up her chances We're doomed.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:37
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Jose posted:sounds like leadsom just gave a dire speech that might have hosed up her chances Unless Tory MPs backing May tactically vote for Gove to set up a May/Gove face off then she's definitely in the final two and at that point it's up to the membership. I wouldn't discount her chances.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:40
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she did poo poo all over osborne at least
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Jul 7, 2016 10:42
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Baron Corbyn posted:The dog barking as she approaches makes this Yeah, ever since they developed the T-800 model with the synthetic skin, the resistance have been using dogs to spot them.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:44
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LemonDrizzle posted:https://twitter.com/jimwaterson/status/750979473277943808 HJB posted:From a local charity's Facebook page:
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Jul 7, 2016 10:45
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This is getting serious https://twitter.com/OilSheppard/status/750978650913251328
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Jul 7, 2016 10:48
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Have we seen this yet? http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/06/andrea-leadsoms-cv-prompts-new-questions-about-career Surprising no-one, she's dodgy as gently caress
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Jul 7, 2016 10:52
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Junior G-man posted:Apparently they snuck in Oliver loving Letwin as the head of the Brexit-EU negotiating team. Very lucrative and illegal, the disco trade.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:56
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Very lucrative and illegal, the disco trade. [/quote] It's the worst kind of "black people scary, lazy and addicted" dog whistle.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:59
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double nine posted:Very lucrative and illegal, the disco trade. From what I can recall the government has tried to ban "repetitive beats" at public gatherings several times. It goes as well as you'd expect.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:59
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feedmegin posted:Have we seen this yet? https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/750977733337964544 https://twitter.com/BBCNormanS/status/750977604279230464 As the Graun points out, those two are paid to be impartial, so that's quite something for them to be saying.
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Jul 7, 2016 10:59
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Jose posted:she did poo poo all over osborne at least double nine posted:Very lucrative and illegal, the disco trade. e: Kaislioc posted:From what I can recall the government has tried to ban "repetitive beats" at public gatherings several times. Now they just ask about the genres of music and target venues associated with expected ethnicities.
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Jul 7, 2016 11:00
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HJB posted:From a local charity's Facebook page: An animal charity? BF occasionally post anti-animal-abuse items to lure people in.
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Jul 7, 2016 11:03
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double nine posted:Very lucrative and illegal, the disco trade. the memo is from 1985, so I'm decently sure he's thinking about cassette smuggling and piracy, which was indeed especially common in areas where both music fans and a legitimate purpose for recording tools might be found not that it's any less odious as a message
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Jul 7, 2016 11:04
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"Tony Blair says the world would be "in a worse position" had he not taken the decision to invade Iraq. " lol the guy still thinks this
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Jul 7, 2016 11:07
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qhat posted:"Tony Blair says the world would be "in a worse position" had he not taken the decision to invade Iraq. " Being fair it's 100% true, when you remember that Tony Blair considers himself to be the world.
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Jul 7, 2016 11:09
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Crashbee posted:An animal charity? BF occasionally post anti-animal-abuse items to lure people in. BF have been pulling that poo poo for ages to harvest likes from people who aren't paying attention, so it isn't in itself all that damning. It's still depressing though.
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Jul 7, 2016 11:09
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ronya posted:the memo is from 1985, so I'm decently sure he's thinking about cassette smuggling and piracy, which was indeed especially common in areas where both music fans and a legitimate purpose for recording tools might be found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_696
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Jul 7, 2016 11:10
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p040pk72 He wishes there would be a really deep debate about iraq. There was one. He didn't listen and loving signed us up to become guilty of murder. Good job, tone.
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qhat posted:"Tony Blair says the world would be "in a worse position" had he not taken the decision to invade Iraq. " He is an old man, clinging by his fingernails to the belief that all his efforts were for the greater good. The Act of Killing is a pretty interesting film by the way.
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Jul 7, 2016 11:13
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Good graph https://twitter.com/leftoutside/status/750963669304049664
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Jul 7, 2016 11:14
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Guavanaut posted:It's probably more about how the Met believed (and still believe but in more couched language) that those coloured music venues are hotbeds of criminality. but that form was introduced in 2006? the whole thing is couched in the health-and-safety ideological frame which is very post-1990s
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Tesseraction posted:Being fair it's 100% true, when you remember that Tony Blair considers himself to be the world. If Tony Blair hadn't gone into Iraq he'd be remembered as the top statesman who regenerated Britain and Labour and wisely avoided Bush's madcap scheme.
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ronya posted:but that form was introduced in 2006? the whole thing is couched in the health-and-safety ideological frame which is very post-1990s
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Jul 7, 2016 11:26
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How are any of those areas being defined? If its Greater London with it's 8m population vs the city of Manchester with its 500k population then that's not surprising at all.
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Jul 7, 2016 11:29
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their tool is pretty good http://www.centreforcities.org/data...&sortOrder=high 
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in the 1980s the Tory (and popular with the public) policing approach was the ring of steel - mass surveillance, road barriers, ID cards, police searches and presence in force e.g.: football hooliganism is a problem. ok, let's make all the football fans carry ID cards. that's how you can estimate the decade from which a policy idea stems
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Tesseraction posted:https://twitter.com/chrisshipitv/status/750977733337964544 I'm gonna be honest, I don't expect them to report a less-than-liberal tory any better than they report Jeremy Corbyn. I mean, no doubt I'd consider this speech terrible, but I'm not really the intended audience, and neither are the LIBERAL MEDIA. Think what partisan tories are saying is probably of more interest here.
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