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WickedHate posted:He also made sure there was a scene in the pilot set in Engineering so they'd have to build a set for it, or else the entire show would have mostly just used the bridge. It's not even really a scene, it's like one or two shots of Picard walking across engineering and taking the little elevator up to the second level. Although one of my favorite stories about Encounter at Farpoint was that Gene really wanted it to be a 1 hour pilot, having been burned on "In Thy Image." Paramount pushed back and really wanted a 2 hour TV movie. Paramount won that fight so Gene and the rest of the writers went back and padded out the script by adding in the whole Q subplot.
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Instant Sunrise posted:Paramount won that fight so Gene and the rest of the writers went back and padded out the script by adding in the whole Q subplot. That really shows when you realize that they spend a good 5-10 minutes letting the audience watch Riker watch part I on the space TV to get caught up. Didn't Picard also make him manually dock the saucer section or something in order to show he was cool, putting a thousand men, women, and children in peril for a last minute second job interview?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:We also could have gotten the Kirk and Riker makeout that the world truly deserved.
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WickedHate posted:And his lawyer. Yeah, Gene had really lost the plot by the time that TNG was being developed (a series of strokes and three decades of drinking and drugging will do that to you) but by all accounts, Leonard Maizlish was the real monster on the set -- sitting in on creative meetings, writing script notes under Roddenberry's name, loving with the directors during shoots, etc. I think he might be the only person involved in early TNG more hated than Maurice Hurley.
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Gonz posted:Was at Bookmans again today. I see these at flea markets all the time for obscene cheap prices like 10 for $10...so of course I grab them with the excuse of "my kid will play with them when he's older". This bad boy is on my wall as I type this. The Borg drone one they had was badass as all poo poo because it has a spring-loaded spear/energy weapon deal in his arm.  Payndz posted:Janeway doesn't give a poo poo about any non-main-cast crewperson. Poor Joe Carey almost made it to the end of the series (only for his epitaph from Janeway to be "Turns out exploring the galaxy isn't worth risking a single life. Welp, on we go in our exploration vessel!"), but when Future Janeway comes back in time in 'Endgame' does she arrive a week or so earlier to warn her past self that he's about to die needlessly at the hands of some stupid whiny assholes? Nope, it's all about Seven! Joe Carey owned and I could not agree more. That dude got the ultimate cock tease being killed off RIGHTTT before they got home. And speaking of Space Caps yes I have some too. One of these days I'll pop that pog out but for now it remains intact on my desk haha. 
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The Dark One posted:How could you accuse such an innocent-looking guy of something so nefarious?? quote:According to the DC Comics comic book "Suspect", his first name was "Terence" and he was murdered around 2369 or 2370. However, according the current Pocket Books continuity, his first name was "Michael", and he was killed aboard the USS Excalibur during the Borg incursion of 2373. He was killed a third time (a second time involving the Borg) during a raid on Earth in "The Worst of Both Worlds", and was killed a fourth time by decapitation by Klingons in an alternate reality from the novel Q&A. Died on the way back to his home planet in four different continuities. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Argyle
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Star Man posted:Weird. Didn't Frakes have the beard before the show? They made him shave it off for Star Trek and then he grew it back for the second season.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Crusher is boring and has zero personality. Try to describe her without using the words "Doctor", "Picard's friend", or "Wesley's mom". You can't.
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"This character is super hot with giant boobs and she's always naked and she likes to have sex with me all the time. Also I, Gene Rodenberry, am a character in the show. I teach all the women how to love." Mail this to the studio, Leonard.
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remusclaw posted:Has the natural walk of a striptease queen. For context.
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No street types please Geordie is smart and talks well and furthermore
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I want to fornicate with Captain Picard. Commander Riker is welcome to join us if he's up for a threesome.
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King Possum III posted:I want to fornicate with Captain Picard. I was never much into any of the TNG fellas, to be honest. Sisko, though. Mmm hmm.
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King Possum III posted:Commander Riker is welcome to join us if he's up for a threesome. If? Dude probably has a Horga'hn for a keychain
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 I guess Gene was really set on some kind of intelligent Jamaican joker for Geordi. 
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Sash! posted:If? Close. He's got a Horga'hn belt buckle.
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Instant Sunrise posted:Remember Chief Engineer Argyle? One of the chief engineers during TNG season 1? One of ideas they had for season 1 was that the Ent-D was too large and complex for one chief engineer to handle, so they had like 4 that they'd rotate through on the show. But then they'd need a Chief Chief Engineer to coordinate the Chief Engineers.
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FilthyImp posted:No street types please Geordie is smart and talks well and furthermore Interesting that they were thinking of a Jamaican accent.
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MikeJF posted:I was never much into any of the TNG fellas, to be honest. drat right Sisko. And I met Cirroc Lofton a couple of years ago at a con. Totes would.
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The_Doctor posted:drat right Sisko. And I met Cirroc Lofton a couple of years ago at a con. Totes would.  Rockin' the Sisko look there. drat right.
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Instant Sunrise posted:Remember Chief Engineer Argyle? One of the chief engineers during TNG season 1? One of ideas they had for season 1 was that the Ent-D was too large and complex for one chief engineer to handle, so they had like 4 that they'd rotate through on the show.
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MikeJF posted:Interesting that they were thinking of a Jamaican accent. Jamaican Geordi yelling about coolant leaks, at least in my head, is probably the funniest thing I'll see hear or imagine today, so I may as well go back to bed.
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So Tasha started as a very blatant Vasquez clone, and then died like a very blatant Vasquez clone.
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Some of those characters profiles... "she treats Picard and Number One like they're saints"? What the hell Roddenberry.
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FilthyImp posted:Some of those characters profiles... "she treats Picard and Number One like they're saints"? What the hell Roddenberry. Because she comes from Planet Rape, she behaves like a slavish third worlder
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FilthyImp posted:Some of those characters profiles... "she treats Picard and Number One like they're saints"? What the hell Roddenberry. Sounds like Tasha came out of Roddenberry's sexual fantasies.
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Baloogan posted:Sounds like Tasha came out of Roddenberry's sexual fantasies. Roddenberry's progressiveness is only impressive in the 60s when having a minority exist on screen is something new and exciting. "The studio made him get rid of the woman Spock from the pilot because they are mean sexists" is how he spun it, but considering she was played by the woman he was banging...
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Finally. It's been my head-canon for years anyway. Man, "head-canon" is really a dumb term. MikeJF posted:Apparently he has a daughter in Beyond, too - I assume she'll be named Demora. Yeah. The thread kinda jumped at me because I assumed Sulu was "canonically straight" because they showed his daughter in Generations, but that doesn't actually mean anything because while they showed a daughter, they never actually said he had a wife...
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Cojawfee posted:Chaos on the bridge is a good watch to see how much Gene really hosed up early TNG. It also sometimes muddies the waters. See the contrasting accounts of a conversation between Patrick Stewart and... poo poo, some exec at Paramount whose name I'm forgetting, where the exec claims he bullied Stewart into playing ball, and Stewart denies any such conversation took place. Or, hell, Maurice Hurley basically contradicting himself, first saying "oh, yeah, Gene had all these wacky ideas that were a huge pain in the rear end" and then saying "b-b-but i was the only one left fighting for ~Gene's vision~ and that's why i had to quit  "I can't remember if it was that flick, or Joel Engel's book, that pointed out that TNG went through something like 35+ writers in that first year.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Or, hell, Maurice Hurley basically contradicting himself, first saying "oh, yeah, Gene had all these wacky ideas that were a huge pain in the rear end" and then saying "b-b-but i was the only one left fighting for ~Gene's vision~ and that's why i had to quit This isn't a contradiction according to his past statements. In an early 90s issue of Starlog, he said: quote:"That's just the way it is. Star Trek is not like any other show because it is one unique vision, and if you agree with Gene Roddenberry's vision for the future, you should be locked up somewhere...It's wacky doodle, but it's his wacky doodle. If you can't deal with that, you can't do the show. There are rules on top of rules on top of rules...Gene sees this pollyanish view of the future where everything is going to be fine...I don't believe it, but you have to suppress all that and put it aside. You suspend your own feelings and your own beliefs, and you get with his vision...or you get rewritten."
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Otisburg posted:That really shows when you realize that they spend a good 5-10 minutes letting the audience watch Riker watch part I on the space TV to get caught up. That space TV scene was much shorter than that. Also, I don't think he would have killed everyone if he'd flubbed the docking; worst case is he dings the ship up and maybe busts a docking latch or something.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That space TV scene was much shorter than that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hthl28SEGfk&t=56s
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:That space TV scene was much shorter than that. It's important to remember that that when a pilot gets made, it's trying to set the tone of how a typical episode will go (and in the face of the bigger shows, trying to set up the premise as well), so adding the saucer separation to far point was them saying "we expect to be doing this in almost every episode." Also the original plan was to put as many visual effects shots into the pilot so they could just reuse that footage a'la Battlestar Galactica.
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