UKMT July 2016 - Thank you very much. Do doooooo do do. Right.

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Junior G-man: Sep 15, 2004; Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma

Nuttiest loving anti-red tape rah-rah pro-Brexit speech I ever heard was from the Duke of Westminster. What a prick.

Edit: On march 26, 2011, 500,000 people protest against austerity in London. Seeing this overwhelming mass of people. the Coalition quickly changed its prograhahahahaha :suicide:

Junior G-man fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jul 8, 2016

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:16

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Kurtofan: Feb 16, 2011; hon hon hon

Taear posted:

Why do you love Henry VIII?

He made England Great Again by leaving the RCC

edit: this is an viii

Kurtofan fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Jul 8, 2016

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:28

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

StoneOfShame posted:

You'll be saying that Colombia isn't better than the UK next, I personally think I will be moving up in the world.

colombia doesn't have cartels stitching peoples faces onto footballs and leaving severed hands on the mayors doorstep

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:29

Cast_No_Shadow: Jun 8, 2010; The Republic of Luna Equestria is a huge, socially progressive nation, notable for its punitive income tax rates. Its compassionate, cynical population of 714m are ruled with an iron fist by the dictatorship government, which ensures that no-one outside the party gets too rich.

Saw noted computer user liz kendal this morning getting off the train in Leicester.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:31

Nothingtoseehere: Nov 11, 2010

thespaceinvader posted:

This is the problem I have with canvassing: in my local area it owuld mostly be preaching to the converted. How does that actually help?

By making people realise that Labour is still around, caring and listening to people. If your areas pretty labour, it means you'll have some local councilors who might be canvassing with you, and people often have problems they want to bring to them (and then be ungrateful afterwards). And by getting your foot in the door with your local party, you get more involved in helping with other things, other nearby areas etc.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:34

thespaceinvader: Mar 30, 2011; The slightest touch from a Gol-Shogeg will result in Instant Death!

nothing to seehere posted:

By making people realise that Labour is still around, caring and listening to people. If your areas pretty labour, it means you'll have some local councilors who might be canvassing with you, and people often have problems they want to bring to them (and then be ungrateful afterwards). And by getting your foot in the door with your local party, you get more involved in helping with other things, other nearby areas etc.

Yeah, I'm aware of that side of it.

I keep meaning to go, but it keeps clashing with other things that have higher priority right now.

The 'foot in the door' aspect is another strong argument, on the basis that my local party at least gatekeeps candidacy with canvassing, so that way they at least guarantee that candidates are going out on the doorsteps and speaking to real people, and the MP is good at doing so as well.

I don't exactly have aspirations in that direction, it sounds like a goddamn horrible job, but long-term it might be the best way I could actually help.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:40

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Cast_No_Shadow posted:

Saw noted computer user liz kendal this morning getting off the train in Leicester.

She was just rubbing one out?

e; I can't read but I'll leave this here as testament to that fact :downs:

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:42

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Phoon posted:

the entire argument re: corbyn and the referendum is based on the traditional labour heartlands voting leave, this contradicts the poll of labour voters voting remain because so many voters in the heartlands were lost over the blair years, some to ukip, many to apathy

ofc losing the heartlands is now corbyn's fault, and the way to win the votes was to campaign with blair, such is the overwhelming power of the "corbyn bad" narrative

The Tories/UKIP in general seem to have opened up the Bush-Era Republican Playbook lately, taking a huge steaming dump on your country then blaming it on the next guy is old hat.

Actually a lot of it seems to be "Republicans But Somehow Even More Incompetent". Which at least makes things extremely funny as well as depressing.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:43

Metrication: Dec 12, 2010; Raskin had one problem: Jobs regarded him as an insufferable theorist or, to use Jobs's own more precise terminology, "a shithead who sucks".

leadsom with win

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:45

StoneOfShame: Jul 28, 2013; This is the best kitchen ever.

Jose posted:

colombia doesn't have cartels stitching peoples faces onto footballs and leaving severed hands on the mayors doorstep

Yeah its actually really come on a lot since the 90s, Farc are even making peace.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:46

Ms Adequate: Oct 30, 2011; Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling

Metrication posted:

leadsom with win

Dehumanize yourself and face to imbecile.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:49

Taear: Nov 26, 2004; Ask me about the shitty opinions I have about Paradox games!

Metrication posted:

leadsom with win

I'm going to wait until Pissflaps calls it.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 20:59

Saint Isaias Boner: Jan 17, 2007; hi how are you ♥

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/secret-recording-neil-kinnock-jeremy-corbyn-step-down-speech-to-mps-in-full

my favourite thing about this speech is the idea of the PLP and the Guardian passing it on, smugly certain that this gibberish is the knockout blow

# ? Jul 8, 2016 21:06

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

I wonder why Penny Mordaunt didn't throw her hat into the ring, or is she waiting until the next leadership election

# ? Jul 8, 2016 21:06

Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Saint Isaias Boner posted:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/08/secret-recording-neil-kinnock-jeremy-corbyn-step-down-speech-to-mps-in-full

my favourite thing about this speech is the idea of the PLP and the Guardian passing it on, smugly certain that this gibberish is the knockout blow

quote:

Nobody has ever said, Dennis, that this parliamentary party considers itself or should be considered to be more important than the rank and file, whether they paid three quid or whether they�ve given their lives to this movement. Whether they�ve threatened their managers, whether they�ve ruined their careers through their commitment to this movement. Nobody has said, ever, however recent or long-established members� party membership is, that we are superior.

quote:

A final, final point. Steve Reed made a very fine contribution. There will be no split! There will be no retreat! Dammit, this is our party! I�ve been in it for 60 years, I�m not leaving it to anybody!

literally children

Yinlock fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jul 8, 2016

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Yinlock: Oct 22, 2008

Look, nobody's saying my sandbox is superior to your toy wheelbarrow. Sand or cheap plastic, we're all in this togDID YOU JUST TOUCH MY SAND I'LL loving KILL YOU

# ? Jul 8, 2016 21:14

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

i agree corbyn is unelectable but they can shut the gently caress up until they find someone who is jesus

# ? Jul 8, 2016 21:23

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

So they've issued their response to that post-referendum petition.

The Government posted:

The European Union Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015, receiving overwhelming support from Parliament. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.

The EU Referendum Act received Royal Assent in December 2015. The Act was scrutinised and debated in Parliament during its passage and agreed by both the House of Commons and the House of Lords. The Act set out the terms under which the referendum would take place, including provisions for setting the date, franchise and the question that would appear on the ballot paper. The Act did not set a threshold for the result or for minimum turnout.

As the Prime Minister made clear in his statement to the House of Commons on 27 June, the referendum was one of the biggest democratic exercises in British history with over 33 million people having their say. The Prime Minister and Government have been clear that this was a once in a generation vote and, as the Prime Minister has said, the decision must be respected. We must now prepare for the process to exit the EU and the Government is committed to ensuring the best possible outcome for the British people in the negotiations.

Foreign and Commonwealth Office

So 'Dave made a mistake we can't fix it'.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 21:24

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

It doesn't have to be respected at all. The world does not end if it is ignored. America makes amendments to its holy scripture when it wants to ignore something it doesn't like.

We don't even have a constitution to ignore. Ignoring the result and accepting the riots is still a valid response.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 21:36

tooterfish: Jul 13, 2013

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/133618

Democratic will.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 21:39

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Democracy must be respected, parliament must be informed that the referendum produced a narrow margin of support for leaving the EU.

I'll email them myself if you like. It'd be cool to enact the democratic mandate of the entire referendum by doing so.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 21:59

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Regarde Aduck posted:

It doesn't have to be respected at all. The world does not end if it is ignored. America makes amendments to its holy scripture when it wants to ignore something it doesn't like.

We don't even have a constitution to ignore. Ignoring the result and accepting the riots is still a valid response.

So if the result had gone 52:48 Remain you'd be totally cool with Boris Johnson, Prime Minister, invoking Article 50 (possibly by mistake)?

We do at least try to pretend to be something like a democracy here and welp, that means if the electorate decide something that's the thing that gets done. That very lack of a constitution is exactly *why* we have to follow the result, because if Parliament decides it can just ignore the largest electoral mandate ever delivered in the UK, there is literally nothing stopping them doing whatever the gently caress they want. At that point we might as well go back to the Divine Right of Kings.

If there is a way to stop Britain leaving the EU it *has* to be compatible with convention and precedent and preferably has to involve a majority mandate from the people. Anything else has the potential to be far more damaging to the long-term survival of the UK than Brexit.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:10

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Jose posted:

i agree corbyn is unelectable but they can shut the gently caress up until they find someone who is jesus

Looks like someone's forgetting all those general elections Kinnock won after taking the party away from the unelectable left

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:12

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

goddamnedtwisto posted:

So if the result had gone 52:48 Remain you'd be totally cool with Boris Johnson, Prime Minister, invoking Article 50 (possibly by mistake)?

We do at least try to pretend to be something like a democracy here and welp, that means if the electorate decide something that's the thing that gets done. That very lack of a constitution is exactly *why* we have to follow the result, because if Parliament decides it can just ignore the largest electoral mandate ever delivered in the UK, there is literally nothing stopping them doing whatever the gently caress they want. At that point we might as well go back to the Divine Right of Kings.

If there is a way to stop Britain leaving the EU it *has* to be compatible with convention and precedent and preferably has to involve a majority mandate from the people. Anything else has the potential to be far more damaging to the long-term survival of the UK than Brexit.

There is allegedly a reason why we are a representative democracy, and not a direct one.

In theory learned statesmen and women are supposed to act as the American constitution does and prevent us from voting to blow ourselves up.

If a thing is demonstrably harmful to the wellbeing of the country and its people it shouldn't be done, no matter how many people want to do it, democracy is not there to allow people to collectively decide to shoot themselves in the dick.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:12

ShaneMacGowansTeeth: May 22, 2007; I think this is it... I think this is how it ends

Well this remained civil for all of 24 hours...

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/751521657215393792

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:13

Gort: Aug 18, 2003; Good day what ho cup of tea

Jose posted:

i agree corbyn is unelectable but they can shut the gently caress up until they find someone who is jesus

Jesus is too much of a socialist to be electable

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:13

stev: Jan 22, 2013; Please be excited.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

We do at least try to pretend to be something like a democracy here and welp, that means if the electorate decide something that's the thing that gets done. That very lack of a constitution is exactly *why* we have to follow the result, because if Parliament decides it can just ignore the largest electoral mandate ever delivered in the UK, there is literally nothing stopping them doing whatever the gently caress they want. At that point we might as well go back to the Divine Right of Kings.

We elect our government.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:13

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Well this remained civil for all of 24 hours...

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/751521657215393792

Remember when this attack on Kendall caused the liberal media to explode with outrage? And heck, it was Yvette Cooper throwing that stone.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:16

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Tesseraction posted:

Remember when this attack on Kendall caused the liberal media to explode with outrage? And heck, it was Yvette Cooper throwing that stone.

Yeah but you don't expect better from Tories, Tories gonna Tor.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:17

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

OwlFancier posted:

Yeah but you don't expect better from Tories, Tories gonna Tor.

I'm looking forward to the Guardian doing an op-ed on why, actually, May not having children shows she's perfect for the job.

It'll probably even talk about the no-child movement saving us from climate change.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:18

Kaislioc: Feb 14, 2008

OwlFancier posted:

Tories gonna Tor.

Not if May has anything to say about it.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:18

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Tesseraction posted:

I'm looking forward to the Guardian doing an op-ed on why, actually, May not having children shows she's perfect for the job.

It'll probably even talk about the no-child movement saving us from climate change.

Well, I mean, if everyone is dead we will be safe from climate change.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:19

Renfield: Feb 29, 2008

Tesseraction posted:

Remember when this attack on Kendall caused the liberal media to explode with outrage? And heck, it was Yvette Cooper throwing that stone.

That might be more relevant if she (Leadsom) didn't start every argument in the last debate with 'As a Mother...' as if that gives her some unique insight into macro-economics.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:21

Not Operator: Jan 1, 2009; Not A doctor, THE Doctor!

Renfield posted:

That might be more relevant if she (Leadsom) didn't start every argument in the last debate with 'As a Mother...' as if that gives her some unique insight into macro-economics.

"As a mother" is also how Jenny McCarthy starts every sentence about vaccines.

Things being a mother makes you:
- ~~A doctor~~
- ~~An economist~~
- A mother

Not Operator fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jul 8, 2016

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:27

Tesseraction: Apr 5, 2009

Renfield posted:

That might be more relevant if she (Leadsom) didn't start every argument in the last debate with 'As a Mother...' as if that gives her some unique insight into macro-economics.

Yeah but up 'til now it was a kinda folksy "mommas know best!" but in that Times piece it specifically attacks May as 'childless.'

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:30

goddamnedtwisto: Dec 31, 2004; If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you; Fun Shoe

Steve2911 posted:

We elect our government.

We don't, we elect a representative to Parliament. See below - it's a vitally important difference.

OwlFancier posted:

There is allegedly a reason why we are a representative democracy, and not a direct one.

In theory learned statesmen and women are supposed to act as the American constitution does and prevent us from voting to blow ourselves up.

If a thing is demonstrably harmful to the wellbeing of the country and its people it shouldn't be done, no matter how many people want to do it, democracy is not there to allow people to collectively decide to shoot themselves in the dick.

I totally agree with you on that, which is why I dislike referendums. Because the figleaf of representative democracy means that we vote for an MP based on a raft of positions, and if they completely fail to follow through on those (or on the particular subject we care about) we can elect a different one. However we have an election result that blows that figleaf clean away. Cameron or his successor *cannot* ignore it, not while still pretending that this is a democracy.

Now I do absolutely believe - referendum result be damned - that it should go to Parliament because even though invoking Article 50 is within the prerogative of the government (as it is a treaty it is purely an FCO matter) such a major change to the UK absolutely must have primary legislation. MPs can then vote to reject it if they want to, and that's fine both constitutionally and ethically.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:30

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Kaislioc posted:

Not if May has anything to say about it.

I don't think comparing a network commonly associated with child abuse images, illegal drugs, and dodgy currency scams to a useful piece of software is fair though.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:31

Saint Isaias Boner: Jan 17, 2007; hi how are you ♥

Tesseraction posted:

I'm looking forward to the Guardian doing an op-ed on why, actually, May not having children shows she's perfect for the job.

It'll probably even talk about the no-child movement saving us from climate change.

they'll have to finish up on writing about how it's a disaster that corbyn is ~~a man~~

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:32

Extreme0: Feb 28, 2013; I dance to the sweet tune of your failure so I'm never gonna stop fucking with you.

Continue to get confused and frustrated with me as I dance to your anger.

As I expect nothing more from ya you stupid runt!

Guavanaut posted:

I don't think comparing a network commonly associated with child abuse images, illegal drugs, and dodgy currency scams to a useful piece of software is fair though.

May is far from anything fair and useful.

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:32

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vodkat: Jun 30, 2012; cannot legally be sold as vodka

Not Operator posted:

"As a mother" is also how Jenny McCarthy starts every sentence about vaccines.

Things being a mother makes you:
- ~~A doctor~~
- ~~An economist~~
- A mother
- Popular with swivel eyed loons

as long as your not foreign or unmarried

# ? Jul 8, 2016 22:34

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